Reports of Side Effects Are Rising Rapidly (Covid vax)

[canadyjd]

Come on, now. Pointing out the fact that my interests are dramatically damaged by your choices does not make my position "pathetic" how, exactly?

If you want to go into into a public place and open up with an AR-15, am I being "pathetic" if I object to you telling me to hide in my basement to avoid the bullets?

Again: by exercizing your "freedom" to put others at risk, you are being selfish, period.

It is manifestly absurd for you guys to hold us all hostage in our basements because you are afraid of a needle.

If you really believe not getting a vaccine can be compared to an active shooter murdering folks, it is impossible to have an intelligent conversation with you.

I’ll leave you to it. Thanks for the conversation

peace to you

 

[Revmitchell]

This is not an acceptable position, obviously.

You have a safe, effective, easy option to help put an end to this pandemic. But you are asking those of us who are doing the right thing to wall ourselves up in our homes so that you can exercise your "freedom" to make a choice that endangers the rest of society.

Your position is manifestly selfish.

you keep talking like all of this is settled. It’s not. And as Americans you never give up freedom. Ever. Not even for covid. It may be true people should do all the crazy things you want done but it’s never true that government should mandate it. Ever

 

[JonC]

you keep talking like all of this is settled. It’s not. And as Americans you never give up freedom. Ever. Not even for covid. It may be true people should do all the crazy things you want done but it’s never true that government should mandate it. Ever

It is settled as far as the actual vaccine goes. Now we just have to wait until the dust clears to see just how it looks.

We are now in the stage of fearmongering. People will latch on to whatever they think supports their opinions.

Time will flesh out the truth.

Don't forget your posts in 2014 warning that they were confiscating our guns, depriving Americans of their rights.

And in 2018 you warned of Obama Care death panels (which turned out to be fake news).

In 2013 you told us how the Obama Administration was preparing to declare martial law to violate our right to bear arms.

 

[Revmitchell]

There is nothing about covid that is settled. Nothing

 

[JonC]

There is nothing about covid that is settled. Nothing

Yes, there is. We have the virus and several vaccines. Now we will see how this settles. Anti-vaxers say those of us who were vaccinated will be dead in 5 years. Let's wait and see.

Given your track record I have no doubt this will fall into just more fearmongering.

That is the problem with standing on guesses about the future. Sooner or later the truth comes out.

 

[Revmitchell]

Yes, there is. We have the virus and several vaccines. Now we will see how this settles. Anti-vaxers say those of us who were vaccinated will be dead in 5 years. Let's wait and see.

Given your track record I have no doubt this will fall into just more fearmongering.

That is the problem with standing on guesses about the future. Sooner or later the truth comes out.

i didn’t say any of that. You need to correct your accusation of me.

 

[Revmitchell]

No nothing is settled about covid. We don’t know the long term effects of covid vaccine. The numbers of those who have died have all been inaccurate. The numbers of total infected have been inaccurate. The covid tests cannot tell the difference between covid and the flu. Far too many false positives.

The only thing that is settled is that nobody knows anything reliable about any of this.

 

[JonC]

i didn’t say any of that. You need to correct your accusation of me.

When Congress debated Obamacare, pro-life advocates and Republicans like Sarah Palin were castigated for claiming the government-run health care program would include death panels that would ration health care treatment.

Now, former presidential candidate Howard Dean has essentially admitted they were right ..

The only reason there hasn't been another attack is because the globalists have't ordered it yet. Right now their busy legislating the coming martial law and further building their police state to control all of us when the time comes.

Dear Friend,

With all that is going in Washington these days some things don’t make the news the way they should. Fourteen days ago President Obama issued an Executive Order that you should know about. This order gives an unprecedented level of authority to the President and the federal government to take over all the fundamental parts of our economy - in the name of national security - in times of national emergency.

This means all of our water resources, construction services and materials (steel, concrete, etc.), our civil transportation system, food and health resources, our energy supplies including oil and natural gas – even farm equipment – can be taken over by the President and his cabinet secretaries. The Government can also draft U.S. citizens into the military and force U.S. citizens to fulfill "labor requirements" for the purposes of "national defense." There is not even any Congressional oversight, only briefings are required.

By issuing this as an Executive Order the President puts the federal government above the law, which, in a democracy, is never supposed to happen.

In a the latest backdoor gun control effort put forward by the White House, President Obama is pushing to ban gun possession for Social Security beneficiaries who are incapable of handling their own finances.

IN the link which you should read yourself, it is talking about the new gun confiscation laws

Both of these booklets explain how our military is to be reduced to 2.1 million men. China and the Soviets are to be reduced to that level also. At this point, we are at Stage I at which time we are to transfer (on a permanent basis) one-half of our armed forces to be merged with the Russian and Chinese armies. In Stage II, the remaining one-half of our armed forces is then turned over to this same Security Council of the United Nations. The person in charge of the merged armies must, by agreement, always be a Russian. The world's smaller nations turn 100% of their armies over to the same under-secretary of the Security, Council in Stage II. President George Bush and Admiral Wm. J. Crowe [have referred] to this process as being "in transition."

 

[Revmitchell]

Yes, there is. We have the virus and several vaccines. Now we will see how this settles. You anti-vaxers say those of us who were vaccinated will be dead in 5 years. Let's wait and see.

Given your track record I have no doubt this will fall into just more fearmongering.

That is the problem with standing on guesses about the future. Sooner or later the truth comes out.

just do it is noted no evidence has been provided that I have ever made the claim I was falsely accused of by a moderator. He needs to be removed

 

[nonaeroterraqueous]

That is the problem with standing on guesses about the future. Sooner or later the truth comes out.

That's science. Make a prediction (hypothesis), and then test it. We'll call this the case of Sir Francis Bacon's chicken (never take your own experiment internally). We'll see how you turn out. You're just the experiment.

 

[JonC]

warning that they were confiscating our guns, depriving Americans of their rights.

The National Rifle Association has obtained a Department of Justice memo calling for national gun registration and confiscation. The nine page “cursory summary” on current gun control initiatives was not officially released by the Obama administration.

The DOJ memo (downloadable here as a PDF) states the administration “believes that a gun ban will not work without mandatory gun confiscation,” according to the NRA, and thinks universal background checks “won’t work without requiring national gun registration.” Obama has yet to publicly support national registration or firearms confiscation, although the memo reveals his administration is moving in that direction.

http://redflagnews.com/headlines/doj-memo-outlaw-and-confiscate-all-guns

warned of Obama Care death panels (which turned out to be fake news).

When Congress debated Obamacare, pro-life advocates and Republicans like Sarah Palin were castigated for claiming the government-run health care program would include death panels that would ration health care treatment.

Now, former presidential candidate Howard Dean has essentially admitted they were right ..

told us how the Obama Administration was preparing to declare martial law to violate our right to bear arms.

Right now their busy legislating the coming martial law and further building their police state to control all of us when the time comes.

 

[JonC]

just do it is noted no evidence has been provided that I have ever made the claim I was falsely accused of by a moderator. He needs to be removed

Stop making asinine posts.

No, I will not change my post because you are the one making false accusations.

I'll report this one for you...save you the time... and let the staff decide (since you made false statements about me on this thread).

warning that they were confiscating our guns, depriving Americans of their rights.

The National Rifle Association has obtained a Department of Justice memo calling for national gun registration and confiscation. The nine page “cursory summary” on current gun control initiatives was not officially released by the Obama administration.

The DOJ memo (downloadable here as a PDF) states the administration “believes that a gun ban will not work without mandatory gun confiscation,” according to the NRA, and thinks universal background checks “won’t work without requiring national gun registration.” Obama has yet to publicly support national registration or firearms confiscation, although the memo reveals his administration is moving in that direction.

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warned of Obama Care death panels (which turned out to be fake news).

When Congress debated Obamacare, pro-life advocates and Republicans like Sarah Palin were castigated for claiming the government-run health care program would include death panels that would ration health care treatment.

Now, former presidential candidate Howard Dean has essentially admitted they were right ..

told us how the Obama Administration was preparing to declare martial law to violate our right to bear arms.

Right now their busy legislating the coming martial law and further building their police state to control all of us when the time comes.

 

[Use of Time]

Cancel culture strikes again Jon.

 

[JonC]

Cancel culture strikes again Jon.

Yep. I'm sure @Revmitchell has already reported me for exposing his attempt at misdirection.

But his quotes are right there - claiming there was a plan for confiscating our guns, for martial law, and death panels in Obama Care.

He wants me canceled because I have been around longer than he has and I know his posts.

@Revmitchell is his own worst enemy.

 

[Reynolds]

It is settled as far as the actual vaccine goes. Now we just have to wait until the dust clears to see just how it looks.

We are now in the stage of fearmongering. People will latch on to whatever they think supports their opinions.

Time will flesh out the truth.

Don't forget your posts in 2014 warning that they were confiscating our guns, depriving Americans of their rights.

And in 2018 you warned of Obama Care death panels (which turned out to be fake news).

In 2013 you told us how the Obama Administration was preparing to declare martial law to violate our right to bear arms.

And they tried to do all. There was just enough Republican opposition to block it.

 

[JonC]

And they tried to do all. There was just enough Republican opposition to block it.

I don't know. Trump just told his supporters that all 3 vaccines are safe and if they are not vacvinated they need to get vaccinated.

The sides are divided....but not exactly along political lines. I'm not sure how it fits together.

 

[JonC]

That's science. Make a prediction (hypothesis), and then test it. We'll call this the case of Sir Francis Bacon's chicken (never take your own experiment internally). We'll see how you turn out. You're just the experiment.

The problem is there is no true way of testing the hypothesis at this time.

With science the "guess" is at the start.....not taken as a conclusion.

 

[Reynolds]

No nothing is settled about covid. We don’t know the long term effects of covid vaccine. The numbers of those who have died have all been inaccurate. The numbers of total infected have been inaccurate. The covid tests cannot tell the difference between covid and the flu. Far too many false positives.

The only thing that is settled is that nobody knows anything reliable about any of this.

And look at India. Their cases are going down fast. They are less than 6% vaccinated and have basically abandoned their vax program. Survival rate is high since they started using the drugs that our FDA and CDC say do not work.
Seems like they are strong evidence that not vaxing and treating the sick is the better solution.

I am tired of the Bravo Sierra. We were told, "take the vax to protect those who can't." That really is working out well. Lies. More lies. Then another round of horse hockey. Clowns are running this country. Not funny ones either. Scary ones like in IT.

 

[Reynolds]

I don't know. Trump just told his supporters that all 3 vaccines are safe and if they are not vacvinated they need to get vaccinated.

The sides are divided....but not exactly along political lines. I'm not sure how it fits together.

Trump got booed for saying it. Last time I checked, Trump is not God.

 

[JonC]

Members, please take note and consider the people you listen to on this forum.

I made a few claims about what @Revmitchell said in the past:

1. He claimed Obama Care had "death panels".
2. He claimed there was an agenda to enact martial law.
3. He claimed there was a plan for gun confiscation.

@Revmitchell denied posting those things.

I provided quotes of @Revmitchell posting those things (I had referenced the posts before making the claim).

Then he accused me of lying.

Consider his posts:

The National Rifle Association has obtained a Department of Justice memo calling for national gun registration and confiscation. The nine page “cursory summary” on current gun control initiatives was not officially released by the Obama administration.

The DOJ memo (downloadable here as a PDF) states the administration “believes that a gun ban will not work without mandatory gun confiscation,” according to the NRA, and thinks universal background checks “won’t work without requiring national gun registration.” Obama has yet to publicly support national registration or firearms confiscation, although the memo reveals his administration is moving in that direction.

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Did @Revmitchell post that the Department of Justice is calling for gun confiscation?
He says he did not and I am lying.

When Congress debated Obamacare, pro-life advocates and Republicans like Sarah Palin were castigated for claiming the government-run health care program would include death panels that would ration health care treatment.

Now, former presidential candidate Howard Dean has essentially admitted they were right ..

Did @Revmitchell post that Obama Care would have "death panels"?

He says he did not and I am lying.

Right now their busy legislating the coming martial law and further building their police state to control all of us when the time comes.

Did @Revmitchell post that the government is planing to enact martial law?
He says he did not and I am lying.

Consider for yourselves the trustworthiness and character of members before considering what they have to say.