You cannot be "in Him" before you are born (John 3:5-6). The question appears nonsensical.
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Rich men entering the Kingdom
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You cannot be "in Him" before you are born (John 3:5-6). The question appears nonsensical.
1689Dave
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“The one who believes in the Son has eternal life. The one who rejects the Son will not see life, but God’s wrath remains on him.” (John 3:36)
Notice the present tense = (has eternal life). = without beginning or end but co eternal in God.
Notice the qualifying statement prior to that ......"The one who believes"
1689Dave
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Belief is evidence of eternal life. You must be alive spiritually before you can believe.
According to the scripture you quoted, belief comes before eternal life.
1689Dave
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No. the present tense HAS precedes belief. Faith is the evidence.
"The one who believes in the Son has eternal life."
In order to have eternal life there is a qualifier in that statement which is "the one who believes."
1689Dave
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Your interpretation doesn't add up. You want it to read whoever believes will have eternal life. But the present tense of HAS shows the reality of which belief is the evidence. Faith (faithfulness) is evidence according to Hebrews 11 1.
Wrong.
but these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in His name.
John 20:31 NKJV
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1689Dave
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“Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.” (1 Peter 1:23)
Has is the present tense because belief has already happened.
Of course except you guys do not believe that the gospel is enough. You believe man also needs another method of grace (regenerate man first) in order for man to be saved. The gospel, to you, is not enough nor is it the power to salvation. Regeneration first is the power to salvation for you all contrary to scripture.
1689Dave
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The word speaks the new birth into existence just as Jesus spoke the universe into existence.
1689Dave
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Whoever jumps rope is physically fit. Which comes first?
Non sequitur.
Address the verse I posted. It clearly shows an if-then sequence. If you believe, then you have eternal life.
You claim you can't believe unless you already have eternal life.
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So you do not believe man must be regenerated first in order to understand the gospel?
Jumping rope just like believing
About a camel going thru the eye of a needle...
We all know it's impossible for a camel to go thru the eye of a needle one uses to sew. However, there was a gap in the wall around Jerusalem called "the eye of a needle" because of its shape. This gap was often exploited by merchants wishing to enter J on the Sabbath, when the gates of the wall were shut.
An ordinary-size camel could squeeze thru it, but most camels were reluctant to do so, as it was a tight fit. Generally, the merchant had to unload the camel & carry the load thru the gap himself to re-load it onto the camel - IF the unloaded camel would go thru the gap.
Thus, Jesus was NOT saying in so many words that it was impossible for a rich person to be saved; He was saying it's difficult for such a person to be saved because they're often focused on their wealth, & not God.
We all know it's impossible for a camel to go thru the eye of a needle one uses to sew. However, there was a gap in the wall around Jerusalem called "the eye of a needle" because of its shape. This gap was often exploited by merchants wishing to enter J on the Sabbath, when the gates of the wall were shut.
An ordinary-size camel could squeeze thru it, but most camels were reluctant to do so, as it was a tight fit. Generally, the merchant had to unload the camel & carry the load thru the gap himself to re-load it onto the camel - IF the unloaded camel would go thru the gap.
Thus, Jesus was NOT saying in so many words that it was impossible for a rich person to be saved; He was saying it's difficult for such a person to be saved because they're often focused on their wealth, & not God.
1689Dave
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This is works.
No its not. In scripture works is always a reference to OT law.