Featured Rick Warren & Muslims???

Since you posted this to me, I have to ask..huh?

I never implied Muslims shouldn't be witnessed to. I was pointing out to Crab that Islam teaches a different gospel since he was trying to so hard to compare it to our true faith. I didn't mean to ruffle your feathers.

 

Muslims believe Christ was A messiah, not THE messiah. There is a huge difference. Nowhere does the filthy Koran call Christ THE messiah.

If you do not worship Christ Jesus, then you do not worship the same God I do. If they deny the Holy Spirit, they do not worship the same God I do.

 

Crab, that's a re-direct.

Muslims are outraged by caricatures of Mohammed by "westerners" to the point of threatening and even assaulting the offenders. Your point is that muslims hold Jesus in high esteem; but where is their outrage, to the point of threatening and assaulting, over caricatures of Jesus? Admit it; it's not there. So by their actions regarding one but not the other, they prove their true viewpoint on our lord and savior.

One of the points of this thread is saying that muslims and Christians worship the same god; you have yet to support your apparent agreement.

 

You are correct.

A good question. I can only guess. My guess is that it is because they hold Mohammed in a higher regard than Jesus. For instance a Christian would become upset over a caricature of Jesus much more quickly than a caricature of Moses. As I said this is a guess. I wonder what a practicing Moslem would say.

It is what a person means by the phrase of "the same god." If they mean the same god and agreement in understanding than I would say it is not the same god. But in another light as they trace their beliefs back to Abraham, accept the OT, have a belief, a misguided one IMHO, believe in heaven and hell, in Christ's return, in predestination ... in this regard I see it as the same God. I do see their beliefs in God as misguided and in error.

I do not believe the extremist or terrorists who call themselves Moslem are worshiping the same God.

Do all who call themselves Christian believe in the same God?

 

None of them are.

 

More that I springboarded after your thoughts.

No ruffling at all... :laugh: We're good! :saint:

 

Question... Can we water down the gospel? Of what consequence? And, are you suggesting that God cannot handle Himself and has to rely on our efforts in this matter?

 

Amy, I agree. They teach a very different faith than that which Christians teach. I would say that Christians preach gospel [good news], I would not say that Islam teaches good news or gospel. Followers of Islam should be witnessed to and witnessed to intelligently. This means we have to know what they are taught so their errors can be pointed out rationally and intelligently.

I really do not believe I have compared faiths. I have tried to show that they have a knowledge of and respect for Jesus. I do believe their faith is quite misguided.

 

glfrederic...

That is not the problem. I dont think anyone on this thread would advocate just leaving then alone so they will be consigned to hell in due time.

The problem is presenting the idea that we worship the same God.

We do not. Our God is the true God.

Their God is a satanic counterfiet.

 

It would be much easier to correct the beliefs of someone who believes in the same God but with errors than to try to convince them their god is totally counterfeit and satanic.

 

I disagree... Unless God intervene, I've seen no man change his mind, ESPECIALLY if "inoculated" with a little bit so he doesn't catch the real thing.

 

Ok. LOL.. You scarred me. (That's southern for scared..:laugh

 

the truth is that Allah is the Muslim name for a false god, that its revelations sourced from satan himself...

We do need to give them the true gospel, but NOT at expenses of trying to find a middle accomdation with them!

Would say that christians can be filled with love of Christ towards Muslims, but NOT seeing their religion as worshipping same God!

 

Who decides that? You, Warren, or perhaps, God?

You seem so worried that God cannot handle His own business!

 

We're not "trying to find a middle ground of accomodation with them."

We're using their own horrid counterfeit of the true Scriptures to lead them to a right relationship with Christ. We do likewise with the Book of Mormon, the New World Translation of the Jehovah's Witnesses, and others, yes, including using the Satanic Bible to lead Satanists to Christ.

There is a difference and in this instance I believe your take on the issue is being projected to Warren's actions instead of the missiological take that I have been speaking of.

Standard missiological practice... Just that there are SO FEW true missionaries represented here on the board. Lots of smoke and mirrors, lots of yelling and screaming about the Bible, etc., but little real action on the field from what I can gather, for most of the folks around here kniow too much about what (or whom) they are against instead of knowing how to use contextual missiological practices to win a people group to Christ.

Of note, from the Scriptures, is Paul's use of the writings of Greek philosophers to approach the lost at Mars Hill. He set a precident for using the materials at hand to point to Christ.

 

IF you are referring to the practice of Christians using their Koran and use that to compare/contrast with the Bible, and to show them that its the Bible that has the truth concerning salvation and Christ...

Or IF you mean thatwe take what they already say who jesus was and show them that he is much more, and contrast him to the prophet of Allah..

ALL for that, its just where we say that Muhhamed was a true prophet, Koran was inspired revelation, or that Allah is different term for same god ahve issues!

 

I am just saying that its OK to witness and evangelise Muslims, just do NOT ackowledge that Allah is the real god, not Koran Holy Book, nor Muhhamed prophet of God!