Rick Warren Promotes Harry Potter

[Rufus_1611]

If you think what you're doing is ministry....you've got much to learn. Throwing stones, as some do at Apprising and Christian Research, is hardly ministry. You call name-calling and supposed "witch" hunting ministry????

I have not called anyone names and I've never suggested name calling is a ministry. However, witchcraft is a sin, and those that support and encourage sin are not right with God.

Here's an uncomfortable question for you: If an actual witch, I'm not talking about fairytale characters you spend your time on, but a real witch came up to you...would you be eager to beat them with your Bible?

Yes. Clearly I would beat them with my Bible.

"Witch, take that (body blow with the book), take that (upper cut with the book) take that (piledrive with the book)."​

What kind of question is that?

Or would their lostness bring you to tears searching for any possible way to tell them about Jesus.

Bring me to tears? Just about the last thing I'm going to do is start crying with a witch in front of me. Where's the verse that says when a witch is in front of you start bawling like a woman? This is a war man, not an episode of Oprah.

Remarks on this thread answer that question.

Questions in this post create more questions.

 

[Bro. Williams]

I get your point, and don't disagree with any of that. Try and keep it mature here....its tough, I know. But do you not see my point? Are you honestly going to badmouth a pastor and call it ministry? Do you honestly think Rick Warren personifies what Jesus was talking about? You can't honestly think he does. You're a guy who is itching to slam people you don't like. You middle school-type name calling and bashing has shown that.

You should condemn less, stop trying to point at me as if I've never read the Bible. You can talk to me like a normal person...really, I don't mind. I promise I don't own any wolves' skin.

Since when is quoting scripture immature? Chapter and verse please?

I will badmouth and joe schmoe is a disgrace to God and the ministry, anyday, anytime, as oft as I can get.

Rick Warren personification as a sheep? **edit**I don't know if I like Slick or not, never met. I am aching to slam false prophets and con-men.

You should really stop being so judgmental about me being judgmental. And stop making fun of me for making fun of others. and stop calling me names for calling other people names.

 

[dan e.]

**Insult removed**

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What is wrong with people here!! I'll ask you the same thing...what is it that drives you so hard to the need to make some sort of scornful remark? Do you honestly think that you are "rebuking", or doing any kind of ministry by throwing your verbal stones?

You can talk like we're all normal sheep. If you want to question anyone's salvation, why don't you get to know them first.

 

[bobbyd]

I just read this myself on the Pastors.com website...thanks for point this out.

I am not a fan of Warren's, but I decided to actually go to his web site and take five minuets to check the archive for that issue. Just to keep the discussion honest, those opinions were from James Emery White. They are not the words of Warren himself, even though it was supplied on his letter. This is a copy of the bottom of the letter, you can see the links that were on the bottom of it. If you followed the link to Recommended reading you would have seen the review.

pastors.com / Ministry Toolbox / Issue #316 - Home


Issue #316
6/20/2007

(These are the links)



Pray for your preaching - Joe McKeever

Teaching about sex from the pulpit - Ted Roberts

Teaching on workplace issues - Corey Cleek

How to teach with parables (like Jesus did) - D. Bruce Seymour

Recommended reading - James Emery White

17 ways to find volunteer youth workers - Doug Fields

The inherited church - Randall Adams

Strive for greatness: Take charge of your wants - Mary Southerland

 

[dan e.]

Bring me to tears? Just about the last thing I'm going to do is start crying with a witch in front of me. Where's the verse that says when a witch is in front of you start bawling like a woman? This is a war man, not an episode of Oprah.

Questions in this post create more questions.

That was a pretty funny answer. I guess I didn't make my point clear enough.

DO YOU CARE ABOUT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE LOST OR ARE YOU TOO EAGER TO PILEDRIVE THEM ON YOUR BIBLE.

 

[James_Newman]

That was a pretty funny answer. I guess I didn't make my point clear enough.

DO YOU CARE ABOUT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE LOST OR ARE YOU TOO EAGER TO PILEDRIVE THEM ON YOUR BIBLE.

Do you believe Rick Warren to be lost? That might explain why he likes Harry Potter, but he seems to believe in Jesus Christ, so I suspect there is something else at work.

 

[Rufus_1611]

That was a pretty funny answer. I guess I didn't make my point clear enough.

DO YOU CARE ABOUT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE LOST OR ARE YOU TOO EAGER TO PILEDRIVE THEM ON YOUR BIBLE.

Yes, I care about them. If I didn't, I wouldn't be in the game. I could kick back say, glad I'm saved and watch the world go to Hell or I could encourage it the way certain "pastors" are.

 

[Bro. Williams]

...cuz that's the way Christ did it....just opening up a scroll!

Quit telling people to read their Bibles. You have no clue who anyone is here. You are not the BB authority on discipleship.

Christ is the word. John 1. You should read your Bible more, [insult removed].

"quit telling people to read their Bibles".

Wow. from a [questioning another poster's salvation is not allowed]. That is some great advice to all.

 

[webdog]

Do you believe Rick Warren to be lost? That might explain why he likes Harry Potter, but he seems to believe in Jesus Christ, so I suspect there is something else at work.

What are you talking about?!?

 

[webdog]

Christ is the word. John 1. You should read your Bible more,

"quit telling people to read their Bibles".

Wow. from a.... That is some great advice to all.

I reported your post for violating the BB rule of questioning the salvation of other members.

I also asked you not to call me son. I'm not your son, and you are not my father.

You also attributed a quote to me that I never stated. Retract it.

 

[bobbyd]

more information can be found on the Church Growth Movement at www.swrc.com

Interesting, as a graduate of the Billy Graham School of Missions, Evangelism and Church Growth (oops...Billy Graham, an "anti-Christ" to those frozen chosen who are right while all others are wrong) at The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary; none of my education in the Church Growth Movement matches what this website says.
In fact, the foundation of my education was that growing churches are healthy churches and they view evangelism as the number one priority of the church and it is something that doesn't end in the baptism waters (like you see in too many churches) but continues on as the convert becomes a disciple who is helping to multiply new believers in the local body.

 

[dan e.]

Yes, I care about them. If I didn't, I wouldn't be in the game. I could kick back say, glad I'm saved and watch the world go to Hell or I could encourage it the way certain "pastors" are.

And that brings me to my point of how believers should handle the way they are with each other. I don't think any of us know Rick Warren enough to question his salvation, or to start throwing rocks at him the way it has been done here.

If those that believe he is headed straight to hell are so concerned, what do you think the kind of bashing done here will accomplish?

 

[bobbyd]

And that brings me to my point of how believers should handle the way they are with each other. I don't think any of us know Rick Warren enough to question his salvation, or to start throwing rocks at him the way it has been done here.

If those that believe he is headed straight to hell are so concerned, what do you think the kind of bashing done here will accomplish?

Seems to me if a person were worried about someone's salvation they would spend more time on their knees on that person's behalf and less time on their soap box flinging rocks at the other person.
And the bashing is accomplishing nothing more than 10 pages of ongoing debate.

 

[Bro. Williams]

If you're honestly concerned about Rick Warren....what have you done for him? You go back and forth from condemning to making fun of....do you actually even care? Or is this a game to you?

I hope I've never laughed at a situation where I think someone is lost and leading others astray. If you honestly thought that...why are you not doing more than throw stones?

You know, I can't seem to get ahold of the guy... too important and big for me I guess...

You see, I take the Bible's advice.

Romans 16:17-18 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.

No, this is not a game. the game forum is elsewhere. deceivers and their doctrines are not games.

[/QUOTE]I hope I've never laughed at a situation where I think someone is lost and leading others astray. If you honestly thought that...why are you not doing more than throw stones?[/QUOTE]

Ahh, you probably have. I am doing more than throwing stones, what are YOU doing other than throwing stones at us?

 

[Rufus_1611]

And that brings me to my point of how believers should handle the way they are with each other. I don't think any of us know Rick Warren enough to question his salvation, or to start throwing rocks at him the way it has been done here.

If those that believe he is headed straight to hell are so concerned, what do you think the kind of bashing done here will accomplish?

As his book so eloquently states, it's not about him. I don't know about his salvation, I'm just talking about one of his fruits. This is a heads up to anyone willing to read, that we have pastors who are brutish and leading sheep to an abyss because they have no reverence whatsoever to The Holy Bible when it comes to the topic of witchcraft and are promoting, a work of the flesh.

"For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king." - 1 Samuel 15:23​

"And he caused his children to pass through the fire in the valley of the son of Hinnom: also he observed times, and used enchantments, and used witchcraft, and dealt with a familiar spirit, and with wizards: he wrought much evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger." - 2 Chronicles 33:6​

"Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies," - Galatians 5:19-20
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[webdog]

You know, I can't seem to get ahold of the guy... too important and big for me I guess...

You see, I take the Bible's advice.

Romans 16:17-18 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.

No, this is not a game. the game forum is elsewhere. deceivers and their doctrines are not games.

I hope I've never laughed at a situation where I think someone is lost and leading others astray. If you honestly thought that...why are you not doing more than throw stones?

Ahh, you probably have. I am doing more than throwing stones, what are YOU doing other than throwing stones at us?

You could always use Jesus' approach (from your church's website)

**Pic exceeds maximum allowable by BB rules**

I'm sure glad the guy is at least smiling :laugh:

Awfully "Phelpsish" to me...

 

[Jimmy C]

I can understand why Warren or one of his folks recommended the latest Harry Potter book. It was very well written,Potter comes to understand what sacrifice is. It is not a book about the occult or satanism. It is a fantasy book with a good moral story. There is no sex, and I think there are two four letter words in the entire book - they are very minor words.

Warren and his church - and I suspect many of the folks in your own churches will be reading this book and watching the movies. the difference between you all and Warren is that he will be able to talk to the folks in his congegation and help them with difficult issues, all most of you will be able to do is to question thier salvation (if you treat them as you do Warren)

Please feel free to question my salvation - but be assured that it is between my Lord and Savior and me.

by the way - it is a Great book and a fun read, I recommend it highly!

 

[Bro. Williams]

you could've fooled me.

and i wasn't even trying to!

Can you honestly not resist making remarks like "you should get ahold of yourself and God's word". What does that even mean?? Its almost like you need to make some scornful remark...what's wrong with you? Were you picked on a lot as a kid? Do you think Christianity is "good guys" vs. "bad guys" and we have to be as mean as possible to the bad guys? Seriously...you aren't a pastor, are you?

I probably could... but you need a little backbone.

Do some reflection on how you talk to and about others....you can talk to me like I'm normal. I promise that I am.

reflecting... you are right. I will be more to the point now. thanks

 

[Bro. Williams]

Self righteousness is sickening.

You got that from me quoting scripture. You are a bit too far out in right field for me. **Insult removed**

 

[webdog]

You got that from me quoting scripture. You are a bit too far out in right field for me. **Insult removed**

I got that from observing your posts.

This is the third time I've asked you not to call me son. Do you think it's not sin to continue to offend a brother in Christ?

I wouldn't be so quick to talk about being in "right field". Anyone holding to a KJVO stance and attends a Westboro type church has no room to talk.