Rights of a Business or Employer- slippery slope?

[Two Wings]

Perhaps. I don't know simply because people who are not vaccinated but have natural immunity continue often get covid two and three times. And from the studies that have been posted on the BB it does appear the vaccinated are surviving covidcat a much higher rate than the unvaccinated. The problem being acquiring natural immunity is far more dangerous than acquiring immunity via a vaccine.

If we are comparing immunity then we have to consider the risks of each method of acquiring immunity. And one is far more likely to suffer serious effects and death via covid than the vaccines.

this relies upon honesty in reporting, Jon, and we know that hasn't happened. So I think it's at best unclear to declare which method of acquiring immunity is the safest.

It's been said before, but apparently it bears repeating again ... when the untreated recovery rate was/is >99% ... that's a steep hill to climb for improvement for any medicine, right?

So how do we discern which studies are trustworthy (accurate) and which ones have ... bend ... to 'em?

Several nations are reporting cv vax deaths equalling the cv disease deaths. I'd say that doesn't really promote the vote for taking the cv vax. this isn't even accounting for the life changing side effects which are more probable than death.

In congressional testimony this week, volunteers for last summer's cv vax trials have said they were removed from the trial because of their adverse effects ... so therefore the trial could show "it's safe." We knew last fall Pfizer was actively blocking peer review of their trial's findings. Who does that? Why?

Finally ... given all of this varying result whether from honest error or nefarious manipulation ... shouldn't the outlook remain "your choice" no prejudice one way or the other? But that isn't happening. This is becoming more divisive than a Thanksgiving table discussion splitting democrats and republicans. Folks are "backdooring" the promotion of the cv vax by advocating for other measures like "company rights" when our nation has been founded upon individual rights.

Our consciences have been seared by the separation of understanding what is in a woman's womb ... and irrationality by this cv event with what actually DOES involve one's own body ... ALONE.

The removal of the restrainer is certainly well underway. 2 Thess 2. We've lost our ability to be rational and empathetic.

 

[Two Wings]

recourse to sue the company forcing the said prescribed vaccination?

no. this is the indemnification which was brought with the EUAs. No liability by the pharmas nor any associated with it's distribution/administration.

If we knew NOTHING else about this substance, that should be problematic. But the great delusion in progress.

 

[Two Wings]

There should be. Or the employer should have to pay workman's comp.

Jon has suggested workmans comp IS paid ... but unless we're using an entry level job this is really insufficient. Workman's comp is not a blanket. it's a bandaid It's not even disability (50% of the last 12 month's earnings). For an issue which is probably making one disabled, workman's comp is hardly a sufficient liability for this requirement to cv jab.

 

[JonC]

this relies upon honesty in reporting, Jon, and we know that hasn't happened. So I think it's at best unclear to declare which method of acquiring immunity is the safest.

It's been said before, but apparently it bears repeating again ... when the untreated recovery rate was/is >99% ... that's a steep hill to climb for improvement for any medicine, right?

So how do we discern which studies are trustworthy (accurate) and which ones have ... bend ... to 'em?

Several nations are reporting cv vax deaths equalling the cv disease deaths. I'd say that doesn't really promote the vote for taking the cv vax. this isn't even accounting for the life changing side effects which are more probable than death.

In congressional testimony this week, volunteers for last summer's cv vax trials have said they were removed from the trial because of their adverse effects ... so therefore the trial could show "it's safe." We knew last fall Pfizer was actively blocking peer review of their trial's findings. Who does that? Why?

Finally ... given all of this varying result whether from honest error or nefarious manipulation ... shouldn't the outlook remain "your choice" no prejudice one way or the other? But that isn't happening. This is becoming more divisive than a Thanksgiving table discussion splitting democrats and republicans. Folks are "backdooring" the promotion of the cv vax by advocating for other measures like "company rights" when our nation has been founded upon individual rights.

Our consciences have been seared by the separation of understanding what is in a woman's womb ... and irrationality by this cv event with what actually DOES involve one's own body ... ALONE.

The removal of the restrainer is certainly well underway. 2 Thess 2. We've lost our ability to be rational and empathetic.

Actually it wasn't accuracy in reporting but the actual results of the study. Their conclusion was both natural immunity and immunity acquired by the J&J vaccine has benefits and these benefits are different. It made no conclusion that one was better than the other in general but just provided results.

The problem is not companies requiring vaccines. It goes beyond this.

People complain about the Biden administration being inept but the actions taken early on were very strategic.

The Tump Administration identified the virus as a danger and the vaccines as safe and effective. The military reconfirmed in regulation the authority to force vaccinations. Then during the Biden Administration the Pfizer vaccine was approved for use, was officially declared safe and effective, and covid was identified as a work place hazard.

The foundation for companies requiring vaccinations is very strong. We have a workplace hazard and a safe and effective protective measure.

Don't get me wrong, people disagree about the safety and effectiveness of the vaccines as they disagree about the danger of the virus. But the "accepted conclusion" or "official conclusion" wins out every time when it comes to these decisions.

 

[Reformed1689]

Don't get me wrong, people disagree about the safety and effectiveness of the vaccines as they disagree about the danger of the virus. But the "accepted conclusion" or "official conclusion" wins out every time when it comes to these decisions.

Official conclusions can be reversed and overturned. They are not the barometer of reality.

 

[just-want-peace]

Official conclusions can be reversed and overturned. They are not the barometer of reality.

And reality is something sorely lacking in todays administration!!!!

 

[nonaeroterraqueous]

Don't get me wrong, people disagree about the safety and effectiveness of the vaccines as they disagree about the danger of the virus. But the "accepted conclusion" or "official conclusion" wins out every time when it comes to these decisions.

In that case, the government can do whatever they want. Theirs is the official conclusion. The argument is circular, that the government can force something based on the official conclusion, when it is the government that decides that conclusion.

 

[JonC]

In that case, the government can do whatever they want. Theirs is the official conclusion. The argument is circular, that the government can force something based on the official conclusion, when it is the government that decides that conclusion.

In a way. The government is of the people. Accepted science is what drives many of these decisions. The earth may actually be flat, but it is a minority view at this time and does not represent "accepted science". At one time it was the other way around.

The government, however, does not come up with these decisions. The CDC, for example, is not "the government". It 7s a government agency co.prised of experts in several fields, and it utilizes and funds studies from other research organizations and universities. You are assuming conspiracy theory is correct when it comes to the government controlling the outcome of scientific studies.

 

[just-want-peace]

------- You are assuming conspiracy theory is correct when it comes to the government controlling the outcome of scientific studies.

And after observing all the balderdash emanating from DC, the following of the all the chaos re: masks, vaxes, political pressure to Not vax- then vax, etc, etc, etc you still trust what GOVERNMENT agencies say??????
Their conclusions, IMHO, are just like the cults; there is enough truth to convince the average Joe that they are legitimate, but there's a heap of misinformation that is either just plain lying, or at best, misleading.
Any conclusions I may come to re: my interaction with the bug will be after guidance from God, and NOT info (supposedly legitimate & accurate??) from any gov't agency!!

Edited to delete extra verbage

 

[Two Wings]

But the "accepted conclusion" or "official conclusion" wins out every time when it comes to these decisions.

what does "win out" mean? at some point in time has the authority to enact something untrue/unwise because the majority demand it?

That's what started the Israelites on their odessy ... GIVE US A KING.

We've said the same thing. It's part of our nature. We can have the King of Kings ... but that means we must first submit to Him. That's the part we don't like, while simultaneously seeking an oppressor.

It's throughout human history. The U.S. demonstrated a blurb of (almost) pure freedom, but we've dumped that for a 535-crowned king.

You may be right/correct in your post, but mandating this cv vax under these circumstances is not righteous at all. It's evil.

 

[Two Wings]

I might ask ... what right does a business have (not sole proprietorship) have to engage in political issues not directly related to the business?

When a president/ceo of a company/corporation uses company resources to advance his own social agenda, is that a proper use of company resources? Does this company officer rightly control resources as if they are his personal resources?

There are innumerable examples of this ... some endear us ... others repulse us ... which only validates the error in companies doing this. NASCAR is a great example. Reckon everyone producing the resources which gets put into a NASCAR vehicle supports that use of their labor?

Then of course there are examples of voting rights ... as if the company lodges a ballot.

 

[JonC]

what does "win out" mean? at some point in time has the authority to enact something untrue/unwise because the majority demand it?

That's what started the Israelites on their odessy ... GIVE US A KING.

We've said the same thing. It's part of our nature. We can have the King of Kings ... but that means we must first submit to Him. That's the part we don't like, while simultaneously seeking an oppressor.

It's throughout human history. The U.S. demonstrated a blurb of (almost) pure freedom, but we've dumped that for a 535-crowned king.

You may be right/correct in your post, but mandating this cv vax under these circumstances is not righteous at all. It's evil.

I mean the prevailing science prevails. It is the standard which will be used. And it is not about reporting. It is about experts conducting these studies. If I understand you correctly you are implying that scientists are falsely reporting g their studies, making up information, in support of a political agenda.

But I recognize you may be pointing out how both sides (pro-vovid-vaxers and anti-covid-vaxers) manipulate these studies to suit their agendas. If so, I agree. They should be ignored.

 

[JonC]

And after observing all the balderdash emanating from DC, the following of the all the chaos re: masks, vaxes, political pressure to Not vax- then vax, etc, etc, etc you still trust what GOVERNMENT agencies say??????
Their conclusions, IMHO, are just like the cults; there is enough truth to convince the average Joe that they are legitimate, but there's a heap of misinformation that is either just plain lying, or at best, misleading.
Any conclusions I may come to re: my interaction with the bug will be after guidance from God, and NOT info (supposedly legitimate & accurate??) from any gov't agency!!

Edited to delete extra verbage

As far as the GOP and DNC goes, I agree. But why take medical advice from a political party?

I am talking about scientists who have devoted their lives to studying and developing vaccines for viruses. Some assume if the government uses their studies the scientists must be pursuing a political agenda. Here it has been suggested the Freemasons are controlling things, or some shadow government agencies, or the GOP and then the DNC.....but most likely scientists are just doing their job.

 

[Two Wings]

But I recognize you may be pointing out how both sides (pro-vovid-vaxers and anti-covid-vaxers) manipulate these studies to suit their agendas. If so, I agree. They should be ignored.

well, this is precisely what happened in the Pfizer study. Under penalty of perjury, multiple former trial participants testified before a congressional panel last week they were removed from the program ... and they ALL had serious adverse reactions to the experimental vax. So at the end of the 3 month trials, the pharma could declare "SAFE" ... yeah, after they cleared their data sheets of adverse reactions ... and they limited the mobile app interaction to a few side effects ... which are treatable by medicines the pharmas produce. Ain't that convenient? IOW ... there was no field in the app to "enter your side effects" if any.

"Accepted science" has been based upon manipulated study data.

Declaring it to be "accepted" does NOT make it true.

I don't know "Polly" from "Eve" ... (I found this channel from a colleague on a professional BBS) but my reference is to the testimony of the former participants themselves which Polly puts in her video. about 27 minutes' worth total


Cover-Up of Severe Vaccine Reactions and Fraudulent Clinical Trials Exposed by Whistleblowers

 

[JonC]

well, this is precisely what happened in the Pfizer study. Under penalty of perjury, multiple former trial participants testified before a congressional panel last week they were removed from the program ... and they ALL had serious adverse reactions to the experimental vax. So at the end of the 3 month trials, the pharma could declare "SAFE" ... yeah, after they cleared their data sheets of adverse reactions ... and they limited the mobile app interaction to a few side effects ... which are treatable by medicines the pharmas produce. Ain't that convenient? IOW ... there was no field in the app to "enter your side effects" if any.

"Accepted science" has been based upon manipulated study data.

Declaring it to be "accepted" does NOT make it true.

I don't know "Polly" from "Eve" ... (I found this channel from a colleague on a professional BBS) but my reference is to the testimony of the former participants themselves which Polly puts in her video. about 27 minutes' worth total


Cover-Up of Severe Vaccine Reactions and Fraudulent Clinical Trials Exposed by Whistleblowers

Why do you believe the Rumble report?

 

[Two Wings]

Why do you believe the Rumble report?

Sir ... do you understand Rumble is a video host? They do not produce these videos. Similar to YouTube but without the censorship of the content. I even gave a disclaimer about the video author's credibility.

... and as I said, the relevant part is the sworn testimony of the former vaccine trial participants. Why do you disbelieve them?

 

[JonC]

Sir ... do you understand Rumble is a video host? They do not produce these videos. Similar to YouTube but without the censorship of the content. I even gave a disclaimer about the video author's credibility.

... and as I said, the relevant part is the sworn testimony of the former vaccine trial participants. Why do you disbelieve them?

Yes. But there have been so many fake news videos posted on this forum. I do not trust the outlet.

I do not believe or disbelieve them. I'm amblivent about the issue because on the ground we have seen results consistent with the submitted clinical trials (including side effects).

I just wanted to know the reason you believe the video prior to devoting time to watch it.

 

[Two Wings]

I just wanted to know the reason you believe the video prior to devoting time to watch it.

interesting.

we had a Dr. Ruben brief our union on this ... he said we needed to jab everyone to see what happens. I recognize you can't validate Ruben's brief to my profession's representative, but you CAN google his statement. How crazy is that? On the order of Pelosi's "gotta vote for it to see what it's in it" ACA bill nonsense.

This seems to be your operating MO. If it's on rumble, it's questionable at best because of past experience.

OK ... but do you understand why Rumble, Bitchute, Odessy, and a couple others I can't rattle-off right now have become increasingly popular? YT, Facebook, Twitter, et al have engaged in some radical censorship. The issue isn't whether they have the RIGHT to do so, but that they have and clearly there's another part of this story which isn't being told.

Would you believe testimony given to congress under penalty of perjury by "everyman" more or less than an entity which can stand to be paid literally billions for it's "answer" to the "pandemic" ... both ways; the disease of the virus AND the side effects of the cv vax.

I'm gonna give a participant the benefit of doubt. Perhaps the main witness in this is a scorned woman by some manager in Pfizer and she's completely biased in her testimony of her condition and that for which she had affidavits to include thousands of others.

I don't discount your statement of your outfits experience ...

but let's try to be objective. Pfizer wasn't, we know specifically how now ... and I knew they were blocking the results of these trials last year but I didn't know why.

Some of us have let our "want to" surpass our critical thinking skills.

 

[Two Wings]

I do not trust the outlet.

well, perhaps these witnesses are available elsewhere. It was a public hearing by the Wisconsin senator/et al ... Johnson?

Perhaps the entire audio/video on rumble was manipulated and the witness actually said Pfizer is as pure as the wind driven snow and we should all be taking all the cv vaxes asap.

 

[Reformed1689]

It is about experts conducting these studies.

Experts like Fauci?