Robert E Lee is Going Down

[church mouse guy]

Just to clarify - I had not seen where Douglas had owned slaves - thus the reason I stated "Not sure if he owned slaves -" The point I was trying to make was that Douglas has stated " the Declaration of Independence was not meant to apply to non-whites."
And this from a person from the North. (Born in Vermont - moved to Illinois in 1833.
Now, what would be interesting is what his thoughts before his wife inherited the slaves - and could it be his belief changed after the inherentence???

RLVaughn Appreciated your research on this!

No, Douglas was a Democrat and debated Lincoln--of course, they were both from Illinois, but both had presidential aspirations. This business about his slaves has been written about before on the BB. I think that he was a big spender and depended on the money from the south to support his lifestyle. Lincoln was a successful lawyer and had a good income. Lincoln was born in Kentucky, raised in southern Indiana, and then went on to work in Illinois. He was up from poverty and used to hard work.

 

[Agent47]

Look, if you dont want to answer my question - just say so

My question is an answer but I'll leave it at that.

Thank you

 

[Revmitchell]

Extreme left wingers love to erase American history because they hate America.

 

[Salty]

My question is an answer but I'll leave it at that.

If you ever have to appear in court - let me know- I would love to be there!

 

[Agent47]

If you ever have to appear in court - let me know- I would love to be there!

Severally. You could have clarified if you were grilling me. Anyway. Let it slide. I’m trying very hard not to offend. If need be I will throw in 200 sirs in a sentence

 

[Salty]

Severally. You could have clarified if you were grilling me. Anyway. Let it slide. I’m trying very hard not to offend. If need be I will throw in 200 sirs in a sentence

I was not grilling you - I simply asked you a question in post # 70 - of which you have not answered-- the ball is in your court

 

[Revmitchell]

"But the idea of willy-nilly going through and doing what Stalin did: just erasing history and re-writing it to serve current purposes, does pose a danger, and it poses a danger of educational malpractice, of missing opportunities to educate people, and of going too far."


Dershowitz On Statues: Liberals Are Doing What Stalin Did, "Erasing History"

 

[Adonia]

Not yet. A Judge has stopped "Black Face" Northam from removing Marse Robert.

 

[JonC]

You want a statue. Win the war.

That is funny (in a clever and true way).

Lee did not want any Confederate statues for a similar reason. He thought it time for the nation to heal.

 

[JonC]

I was walking through Charleston this weekend and noticed a historic marker for the slave market. I wonder if people are also demanding these markers be removed.

To clarify for you northerners....we don't currently use slave markets to sell people. The actual market has been closed for some time now.

 

[Salty]

You want a statue. Win the war.

Then why does England have a stature of the traitor, George Washington in London.

 

[kathleenmariekg]

Children can only study so many hours a day. As the USA tries and fails to compete with other countries in the STEM subjects, time spent teaching history and literature is reduced more and more. And then the time spent on American history and literature is pushed aside to study mostly World history and literature. Colleges are even phasing out their Western Civilization courses. The USA people do not know their history, not any version if it. It is easy to manipulate people that don't know their own history.

It is rare for anything good to come after a people replace their heroes and holidays with a hastily devised and sterile new set of heroes and holidays. Even worse happens when people simply abandon their previous culture for nothing. Nature abhors a vacuum.

We are headed for trouble, the way we are going. The Bible warns us to listen to our elders, including our flawed elders. This is not going to end well.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

The thing is during his lifetime the general didn't want the fame the Lost Cause folks have heaped on him.

 

[Salty]

I think the issue is more that he led an army against the United States government. Can't erase history and act like it never happened. Much better to discuss history and why things happened like they did.

Then we must ask Why he chose to fight with the CSA

 

[Squire Robertsson]

He like Jackson placed his state above the national government. I.e, he was only a US citizen because he was a Virginian. If Virginia wasn't a state, then he wasn't a US citizen.

 

[Salty]

Squire - just be technical - Virginia is not a State - it is a Commonwealth - as is PA, KY, Mass,
https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/which-states-are-commonwealths.html

 

[Yeshua1]

You are half right - Washington won his war
Lee lost his war.

And remember - What did Washing do to end slavery in the brand new United States
Not only did he not do anything to end slavery - but as you stated, he himself own many slaves.

So should we destroy all statues of Washington?

And as far as Lee is concerned - was slavery an issue in the WoSI -
Yes, - BUT that was not the only issue - there were many others.

one other think Keep in mind- I am a Yankee

Washington did free all of his slaves in his will, and he provided land for them to use though!

 

[just-want-peace]

I have no idea the knowledge we will have in Heaven, however, if we attain perfect knowledge of so much we think we know about today, then a lot of folks are going to be shamed (SELF-SHAMED) when they learn how vehement they were for certain "FACTS" about a zillion subjects, but were 180 degrees off course!!!!!!!
IMHO everyone of us are going to have quite a few "bruises & black eyes" over this over-confidence that we spew forth so arrogantly!

 

[Squire Robertsson]

Th

Squire - just be technical - Virginia is not a State - it is a Commonwealth - as is PA, KY, Mass,
https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/which-states-are-commonwealths.html

That is true. But the sentiment is the same.

 

[Salty]

Th

That is true. But the sentiment is the same.

I know - I mention State or Commonwealth as a point of for those individual that insists on using the dumb term of he or she.