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Roman Catholic...Christian or Cult?

Is the Roman Catholic Church christian or a cult?

  • Yes they are a cult.

    Votes: 16 50.0%
  • No they are a christian denomination.

    Votes: 14 43.8%
  • Not sure.

    Votes: 2 6.3%

  • Total voters
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Dr. Walter

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Baptist converted some american natives by the end of a gun barrel. What's the difference? Other baptist kept slaves and used the scripture to support their societal view that is now widely accepted as wrong. What's the difference?

Please document where Baptist missionaries converted American Indians by force to Christianity? New Testament Philemon possessed slaves. However, these things are silly examples in comparison to atrocities committed by Rome through its secular slaves.

Rome is so anti-christ in doctrine and practice it utterly astonishes me how any one who believes the Bible is his final authority for faith and practice could even consider it to be "Christian"??????? Absolutely astonishing!
 

Thinkingstuff

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Did anyone on earth talk to Moses or Elijah. Remember that Jesus was transifigured. He was not earthly at that moment. You cannot compare the two.

As for the martyrs in Revelation, how do we know that they know what is happening on earth because they watch and communicate with those on earth? They are under the altar, are they not? I do think when justice is carried out, heaven will know not because they have watched it but because they will know from God Himself.

Though Jesus was transfigured he still was on earth. Just because he looked liked his glorified body doesn't mean he was translated elsewhere. As for the martyrs of Revelation the very fact that they complain to God shows they are aware of circumstances on earth. Couple of points
He was given much incense to offer, with the prayers of all the saints, on the golden altar before the throne. 4The smoke of the incense, together with the prayers of the saints, went up before God from the angel's hand. 5Then the angel took the censer, filled it with fire from the altar, and hurled it on the earth;
The fact that the prayers of the saints went up to God from the Angels hands which later took the censer and cast it to earth shows these saints are in heaven with the angel who takes their prayers. also note according to revelation everything is being anounced in heaven because people seem to know whats going on here
After this I heard what sounded like the roar of a great multitude in heaven shouting:
He has condemned the great prostitute
who corrupted the earth by her adulteries.
He has avenged on her the blood of his servants." 3And again they shouted:
"Hallelujah!
The smoke from her goes up for ever and ever
So good bet they know whats going on.
 

Thinkingstuff

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Please document where Baptist missionaries converted American Indians by force to Christianity? New Testament Philemon possessed slaves. However, these things are silly examples in comparison to atrocities committed by Rome through its secular slaves.

Rome is so anti-christ in doctrine and practice it utterly astonishes me how any one who believes the Bible is his final authority for faith and practice could even consider it to be "Christian"??????? Absolutely astonishing!

I'm sorry the african slave trade cannot be compared to roman slavery. two different animals. American slavery was very savage. Also you're suggesting that slavery is ok? shame.
Ever read the Indian Removal Act of 1830 and what occured under this law? Baptist and other convinced Grant assimilation was necissary and the US used its military to force natives into baptist schools where they forced Faith on them and Cultural assimilation.
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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I'm sorry the african slave trade cannot be compared to roman slavery. two different animals. American slavery was very savage. Also you're suggesting that slavery is ok? shame.
Ever read the Indian Removal Act of 1830 and what occured under this law? Baptist and other convinced Grant assimilation was necissary and the US used its military to force natives into baptist schools where they forced Faith on them and Cultural assimilation.

Baptists? I think you mean Anabaptists....particularly Mennonite were involved in that if memory serves.
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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TS.... Im just trying to visualize an American Indian / PA Dutch....what would they look like.....any from that tribe out by you? Possibly named Abe Three Feathers? Possibly with a straw hat & a beard w/o mustache riding a pony? Hmmmmm
 

Thinkingstuff

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TS.... Im just trying to visualize an American Indian / PA Dutch....what would they look like.....any from that tribe out by you? Possibly named Abe Three Feathers? Possibly with a straw hat & a beard w/o mustache riding a pony? Hmmmmm

The american natives were run off long ago.
 

Dr. Walter

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You are falsely imputing to Baptists the U.S. Government 1830 Indian Removal Act to Baptists instead of the federal government! You cannot prove that - evidence please! Not your silly statements but evidence that it was Baptists who forced Indians to be converts of Baptist Churches at a gun point!

No, I don't support slavery, even the slavery clearly seen in the pages of the Bible. Roman slavery could be savage as well.

For you to even attempt to justify the inquisitions and the earlier persecutions by Rome and even to attempt to justify such by 1830 U.S. Government act demonstrates you belong to Rome even if you are not a member of Rome - your heart is there. Your heart is full of their corruption and teaching and it is self-evident by your defense of their unbiblical and ungodly dogma.

I'm sorry the african slave trade cannot be compared to roman slavery. two different animals. American slavery was very savage. Also you're suggesting that slavery is ok? shame.
Ever read the Indian Removal Act of 1830 and what occured under this law? Baptist and other convinced Grant assimilation was necissary and the US used its military to force natives into baptist schools where they forced Faith on them and Cultural assimilation.
 
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Dr. Walter

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Though Jesus was transfigured he still was on earth. Just because he looked liked his glorified body doesn't mean he was translated elsewhere. As for the martyrs of Revelation the very fact that they complain to God shows they are aware of circumstances on earth. Couple of points The fact that the prayers of the saints went up to God from the Angels hands which later took the censer and cast it to earth shows these saints are in heaven with the angel who takes their prayers. also note according to revelation everything is being anounced in heaven because people seem to know whats going on here So good bet they know whats going on.

Whether he was glorified or not, he did not seek to go through Elijah and Moses to intercede in his behalf to the Father. The altar of incense is a type of the prayers of the saints ON EARTH ascending to heaven. This passage provides the symbolism and the only thing those in heaven are asking is "how long" will it be until God answers those prayers that had been received in heaven.

Any attempt to use the Bible to defend praying to departed saints, the use of images, candles, confession booths, etc., shows either a complete and utter ignorance of scripture or such desperation to defend Rome that common sense is thrown out a window.

I dare anyone to find any saint in scriptures that addressed a departed saint for the stated purpose to intercede in their behalf to God! I dare any of you to find one example in scripture where any saint bowed down before a statue or picture with God's approval to focus upon God.

If you cannot find such EXPLICIT examples for such an EXPLICIT purpose then stop trying to INFER such from examples that have nothing to do with what your defending.


I dare anyone to find where the Scriptuers by precept or example teach any other MEDIATOR between living men and God other than Christ? If you cannot find such then teaching it is false doctrine and opposed to the limitations God's word places upon Christ as THE Mediator "There is ONE" not two, three or a dozen.
 

Thinkingstuff

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Whether he was glorified or not, he did not seek to go through Elijah and Moses to intercede in his behalf to the Father.
Thats more than you or I know now isn't it?
The altar of incense is a type of the prayers of the saints ON EARTH ascending to heaven.
The description is a heavenly one not the earthly one.
This passage provides the symbolism and the only thing those in heaven are asking is "how long" will it be until God answers those prayers that had been received in heaven.
I believe its an actual event.
Any attempt to use the Bible to defend praying to departed saints, the use of images, candles, confession booths, etc., shows either a complete and utter ignorance of scripture or such desperation to defend Rome that common sense is thrown out a window.
Scripture does incorporate images, candles, confessions, allusions to the saints in the next life. So You're a bit off.
I dare anyone to find any saint in scriptures that addressed a departed saint for the stated purpose to intercede in their behalf to God!
What was jesus doing? You have your opinion. The conversation wasn't recorded. So you may be in error.
I dare any of you to find one example in scripture where any saint bowed down before a statue or picture with God's approval to focus upon God.
The high priest bowed down before the ark of the covenant which has the images of seraphim on it.
If you cannot find such EXPLICIT examples for such an EXPLICIT purpose then stop trying to INFER such from examples that have nothing to do with what your defending.
There are a lot of things in the bible thats not explicit. I like Carl Sagan's struggle with religion when he asks why, if God created the universe, he left the evidence so scant. He might have embedded Maxwell’s equations in Egyptian hieroglyphs. The Ten Commandments might have been engraved on the moon. "Or why not a hundred- kilometer crucifix in Earth orbit?…

I
dare anyone to find where the Scriptuers by precept or example teach any other MEDIATOR between living men and God other than Christ?
Does not james ask us to pray for one another to intersede for one another in short to mediate for one another? Did not Abraham intecede for Lot or Moses intercede for the people that God was killing by snakes? In short did not these saints mediate on behalf of another?

If you cannot find such then teaching it is false doctrine and opposed to the limitations God's word places upon Christ as THE Mediator "There is ONE" not two, three or a dozen.
I showed you two.
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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Millions of catholics do. Its a regular part of their religion

Hopefully I can make this very clear to all & we can move on from this ridiculous thread.

A RC today can choose to be as paganistic or as devout as he wishes to be. They can wake up one morning & decide to go to mass that day & every day for 3 months, wear religious metals, beat himself senseless with a scourging whip & say the rosary backwards & forwards 15 times a day while riding a donkey up interstate 95 in rush hour traffic. You know & thats OK to catholics & that person is accepted....probably not asked to many backyard cookouts however...

That same catholic could wake up the following week & decide to sleep with his best friends wife, fire all his employees, foreclose on his widowed moms home, drink to excess, urinate in the holy water & he also is considered a catholic (did I just describe Joe Biden?)

They don't care what Protestants think of their salvation, because they know that all they have to do is go to confession. Failing that all they have to do is say an "Act Of Contrition" prayer. Failing that, all they have to do as the cross town bus makes a greasy spot of them is to think..."I'm sorry lord, Forgive me". There in heaven while you maniacs are praying your bibles & going to church. Its called easy believism & it makes life a breeze to live. Go ask anyone in the Mafia or on wall street (psst....mostly Catholic)

IMHO, You would have to convince them there is more to God than "Easy Believism" .... that is your charge Good luck, good night & have a pleasant weekend.

Jesus Is Lord
 

Thinkingstuff

Active Member
"Let me make you an offer you can't refuse". Wait..... Let me get this cotton out of my mouth. "Ragazzo. We can baptize my Godchild while I give the order to wipe out the Gambino family Capiche?"
 

DHK

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Baptist converted some american natives by the end of a gun barrel. What's the difference? Other baptist kept slaves and used the scripture to support their societal view that is now widely accepted as wrong. What's the difference?
Never heard of it. Do you have documentation.
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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"Let me make you an offer you can't refuse". Wait..... Let me get this cotton out of my mouth. "Ragazzo. We can baptize my Godchild while I give the order to wipe out the Gambino family Capiche?"

Just say a good act of Contrition......Didnt you see GF#3? At least this is how we Italians were raised. Go ask the Polacks & the Irish their side of the story. LOL
 

Dr. Walter

New Member
You are the one defending it not I. Where is your defense? Silence??????? Some defense! It takes total arrogance to even suggest that the Son was seeking the Father through Moses and Elijah as we have four gospels full of prayers by Christ directly to the Father - your inference is stupid and "stupid" is saying it mildly. However, that is how spiriutally blind and pro-Catholic you are that you cannot even objectively deal with the evidence.

Show me! Show me where "images, candles, confession BOOTHS" are even found under the New Covenant? That is what Rome claims to be under doesn't it? The New covenant???

Like all Jesuit defenders of Rome, you appeal to the Old Covenant in order to justify practice under the New Covenant when the Scriptures says that it is abolished. The high Preist does not bow down to the Ark of the Covenant but bows down before God who dwells between the Cheribums - quite a difference.

Living saints pray for each other but nowhere can you find living saints asking departed saints to intercede which is to act as a MEDIATOR between the living and God.

Why is your heart married to Rome that you would defend what you really know the Bible does not defend? Why?

Thats more than you or I know now isn't it? The description is a heavenly one not the earthly one. I believe its an actual event.
Scripture does incorporate images, candles, confessions, allusions to the saints in the next life. So You're a bit off.
What was jesus doing? You have your opinion. The conversation wasn't recorded. So you may be in error.
The high priest bowed down before the ark of the covenant which has the images of seraphim on it.

There are a lot of things in the bible thats not explicit. I like Carl Sagan's struggle with religion when he asks why, if God created the universe, he left the evidence so scant. He might have embedded Maxwell’s equations in Egyptian hieroglyphs. The Ten Commandments might have been engraved on the moon. "Or why not a hundred- kilometer crucifix in Earth orbit?…

IDoes not james ask us to pray for one another to intersede for one another in short to mediate for one another? Did not Abraham intecede for Lot or Moses intercede for the people that God was killing by snakes? In short did not these saints mediate on behalf of another?


I showed you two.
 

DHK

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You are quoting past history not today. Shall I remind you ..... no let me be brief. Calvin & Cromwell do you condone their violence or was that OK with you? But wait, your a Baptist so Reformation really should not have a place in your particular history.....Right.
No violence is to be condoned, and I don't. I am not responsible for Calvin's act and I am not a Calvinist or a follower of his religion. What has that to do with me?? Cromwell led the government of England for a temporary time. What has that to do with me? He was a Puritan; I am not. I am a Baptist.
BTW, do you always try to deflect the atrocities and horrid actions of the RCC by pointing to the actions of others? What has their actions got to do with the RCC? Absolutely nothing! You are using the logic of a little child who, after disobeying his parents, comes home and says: "Well, Johnny did it." As if that makes it right! Does someone else's wrong make your evil right?
I will just bet your a real charmer when it comes to converting the Papist. You pull directly to the Crusades & call them vile bloody murderers dont you. Your the type that wins friends & influences people with that delivery. I need to have my head examined to even have dialog with you I'm thinking.
In case you haven't figured it out yet this is a debate forum. If you can't take the heat get out of the fire.
I get it, in your eyes we are all just stinking murderous papists as your father was because he also was obstinate & refused your request to convert. I can see it now, you hounding him on his death bed. Did you beg & did you plead? How did you feel when he gave up the ghost without his salvation being secured. Pretty bad I will bet, because he is in hell with all the rest of the stinking Papists.
This personal attack should be edited out. It is not called for. I may leave it in and ask another to look at it for objectivity's sake. You need to re-read the rules at the bottom of every page. Does posting such a vile attack make you feel good.
What I posted was actual history; what actually took place. This is a vile attack on me and my family. Where do you get off on this?
So you sit here & you make it a point of throwing out the life line, you who lives in a country full of those stinking papists. Must make your Christian Skin crall right? And we, we reprobates, we phony Christians, worthless in your superior saved eyes wallow in our sin ripe & ready for the pit of hell we so justly deserve (I can see your sneer).
Your personal attacks are uncalled for. If I have said anything untrue or inaccurate quote me. I mean put it in actual quotes. As for this post, it may just end up in the moderator's forum. It is uncalled for.
You know what, If heaven is full of your type, I wouldn't want to be there.
You know nothing about me.
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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No violence is to be condoned, and I don't. I am not responsible for Calvin's act and I am not a Calvinist or a follower of his religion. What has that to do with me?? Cromwell led the government of England for a temporary time. What has that to do with me? He was a Puritan; I am not. I am a Baptist.
BTW, do you always try to deflect the atrocities and horrid actions of the RCC by pointing to the actions of others? What has their actions got to do with the RCC? Absolutely nothing! You are using the logic of a little child who, after disobeying his parents, comes home and says: "Well, Johnny did it." As if that makes it right! Does someone else's wrong make your evil right?

In case you haven't figured it out yet this is a debate forum. If you can't take the heat get out of the fire.

This personal attack should be edited out. It is not called for. I may leave it in and ask another to look at it for objectivity's sake. You need to re-read the rules at the bottom of every page. Does posting such a vile attack make you feel good.
What I posted was actual history; what actually took place. This is a vile attack on me and my family. Where do you get off on this?

Your personal attacks are uncalled for. If I have said anything untrue or inaccurate quote me. I mean put it in actual quotes. As for this post, it may just end up in the moderator's forum. It is uncalled for.

You know nothing about me.

Promise!:smilewinkgrin:
 
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