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Romans 9 and Calvinism

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37818

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MB said:
1Pe 2:9 and ye are a choice race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people acquired, that the excellences ye may shew forth of Him who out of darkness did call you to His wondrous light;

1Pe 2:10 who were once not a people, and are now the people of God; who had not found kindness, and now have found kindness.
It would seem according to your Bible we are elect. However the word elect does not appear in the YLT.
It says we are a Royal priest hood
So no I do not think the Jews are a Royal priest hood. Just recently since they became a country again have they begun to see their mistakes. Jews are turning back to Christ gradually.
MB
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What is translated "a choice" is the same Greek word elsewhere translated "elect." Check the Blue letter Bible dot Org interlinear on line. Strong's G1588.
 
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37818 said:
The Israel of God are the circumcised, the "them" are not which are not the Jewish believers in Christ.
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Vs.15......For in Christ Jesus

Neither circumcision availed any thing. [Jew]

Nor uncircumcised,......[Gentile]

But a new creature......[Church]

Gal4:26-31
 
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canadyjd said:
No “twisting” at all. I said the gospel was necessary for salvation. You stated in post #142 “scripture never says any of the false doctrine you just stated….”

That is very clear. You said it is a false doctrine to claim the gospel is necessary for salvation.

Or perhaps you don’t read what anyone actually writes? You just respond with your anti-doctrines of grace diatribe.

Which is exactly why I don’t believe there is any useful conversation with you. You don’t want a discussion. You want to vent hatred toward “Calvinists”.

peace to you
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You're wrong False doctrine is false when you place your own ideas in it. You said "I will only speak for myself. The gospel is the God-given means of bringing the elect to salvation" It is not just for the elect that is false which makes the whole sentence false. Scripture does not say Salvation is just for the elect.
MB.
 
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MB

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Iconoclast said:
Now you seem perplexed that salvation is supernatural, confirming what we have said all along...you do not understand biblical salvation.
I only offer scripture to those who want help.
You do not fit that description....all these brothers who have offered you scriptural help, you mock and scoff at, trampling the words of life under your feet
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There is no words of life according to your calvinism.
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MB

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37818 said:
What is translated "a choice" is the same Greek word elsewhere translated "elect." Check the Blue letter Bible dot Org interlinear on line. Strong's G1588.
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I watched a video about Armining's they were saying you all are still Calvinist. They are right.
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37818

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Iconoclast said:
Vs.15......For in Christ Jesus

Neither circumcision availed any thing. [Jew]

Nor uncircumcised,......[Gentile]

But a new creature......[Church]

Gal4:26-31
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Yes. And the saved Jews are the Israel of God being the circumcised in verse 16.
 
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@MB,
Well friend, "as" you are insisting, Colossians 1:11-13, "Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all. Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, . . ." Gentiles are to do but are not elect. We do not agree. And it seems my friend @Iconoclast chooses to believe the whole body of Christ is Israel.
 
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MB

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37818 said:
@MB,
Well friend, "as" you are insisting, Colossians 1:11-13, "Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all. Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, . . ." Gentiles are to do but are not elect. We do not agree. And it seems my friend @Iconoclast chooses to believe the whole body of Christ is Israel.
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I truly feel sorry for those who add to the gospel Yet I refuse to believe in assumptions. The Calvinist assume all of there doctrines, Not only this but they are convinced I'm lost to Salvation anyway. Because Iconoclast disagrees with me does not impress me to believe in his theories.I admit I'm not perfect yet I'm not stupid either. Many here believe in Gentiles being elect and that you have to be elect to be saved. They are unable to prove they are in fact elect as they claim. They are unable to prove total depravity. They are unable to prove they are saved before Salvation. They try to prove it but when we look closer we find.it isn't really proof at all. It's just there adding and taking away of scripture.
MB
 
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MB

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Well, I am not a Calvinist.
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Arminians came out of Calvinism to a degree but not entirely. I just do not accept anything that came from Augustine. When I first came here they all called me Arminian. How ignorant is that?. They told me that Calvinism and Arminianism were the only true churches. Typical Catholic doctrine. Exclusivity. Election for Gentiles is an elitist club really not a doctrine which makes Christ a liar in that he respects no man.. Calvinist all think they deserve God's respect even though they deny it
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MB said:
Scripture never says any of the false doctrine you just stated. It all comes from your rejection of the truth.

The gospel is for the whole world. Not just the elect.You can only be elect if you are a Jew. We are all the same there simply is no difference between men. Scripture never says Gentiles are elect and it never says it is needed for Salvation. You imagine your elect maybe you should read what happens to those who claim to be a Jew
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Rev 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Saying you are elect is saying you are a Jew
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No, its stating that both saved Jews and gentiles are elect by the will and plans of God in Christ now!
 
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Iconoclast said:
The elect Jew or Gentile are part of the True Israel, elect IN Christ.romans 9 and Roman 10,
Romans 2:28,29 settled this question already
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Indeed, as we are all now saved into the Israel of God thru same Lord Jesus and same Holy Spirit!
 
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