Romans 9 and Calvinism

[AustinC]

May I suggest that salvation is offered to those who trust in the risen Christ not the self appointed members of an exclusive club. Some theological schools of thought have made the very simple quite complex.

Of course you can suggest it. You can suggest anything. However, now you need to support your suggestion with scripture that is kept in context of the passage where it is found.

We are to share the good news of reconciliation universally. Those whom God has chosen to make alive with Christ will respond.

Since this thread is related to Romans 9, how is your assertion supported within that chapter?

 

[Martin Marprelate]

May I suggest that salvation is offered to those who trust in the risen Christ not the self appointed members of an exclusive club. Some theological schools of thought have made the very simple quite complex.

Hello Sharmamanik061. Welcome to the B.B.

If salvation is offered to those who trust in the risen Christ, then Christ justifies the godly, not the ungodly..
Salvation is offered through Christ to all people without exception. However, men will always reject Christ unless God will open their hearts to receive Him (proof texts available on request. I get fed up with repeating them). I'm not sure why you find that complex.

 

[Iconoclast]

May I suggest that salvation is offered to those who trust in the risen Christ not the self appointed members of an exclusive club. Some theological schools of thought have made the very simple quite complex.

Welcome to BB..
if a person trusts in the risen Christ, wouldn'that indicate they were already saved?
What do you mean by a self appointed club?
What makes the club exclusive?
what is simple?

 

[SovereignGrace]

May I suggest that salvation is offered to those who trust in the risen Christ not the self appointed members of an exclusive club. Some theological schools of thought have made the very simple quite complex.

Alrighty then, you’ve laid this post out without nary a scripture reference. It’s incumbent upon you to support this claim with scripture. Let us examine them together, okay?

 

[kyredneck]

without nary a scripture

Willis, please refrain from hillbilly jargon and use some proper English for 'the new guy'.

 

[kyredneck]

May I suggest

May I suggest it'd be great if you introduced yourself on the New Members Forum?

Welcome to the BB.

 

[kyredneck]

Alrighty then

Lol....

 

[sharmamanik061]

I’m sure you think the comment in the other thread is important. If you want to comment, please feel free to do so. I’ll not chase down comments in other threads and try to figure out the connection you see. Thanks anyway.
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[AustinC]

I’m sure you think the comment in the other thread is important. If you want to comment, please feel free to do so. I’ll not chase down comments in other threads and try to figure out the connection you see. Thanks anyway.
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Do you have anything you want to say about Romans 9?

 

[MB]

And it doesn't say whosoever, it says whosoever believes.

Anyone can believe that has heard the gospel. After all that is what hearing the gospel is all about. I forget you Calvinist don't have to hear it because you're elected. Even though you can't prove it.
MB

 

[Yeshua1]

Anyone can believe that has heard the gospel. After all that is what hearing the gospel is all about. I forget you Calvinist don't have to hear it because you're elected. Even though you can't prove it.
MB

Our salvation is all the proof needed to confirm our election!

 

[Reformed1689]

Anyone can believe that has heard the gospel. After all that is what hearing the gospel is all about. I forget you Calvinist don't have to hear it because you're elected. Even though you can't prove it.
MB

Can as in allowed? Or can as in able? There is a difference. And I have never said you don't have to hear. Who said that? False representation.

 

[Yeshua1]

Can as in allowed? Or can as in able? There is a difference. And I have never said you don't have to hear. Who said that? False representation.

Big difference between hearing and understanding, as I can hear Russian spoken, but know nothing what was said!

 

[Salty]

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[AustinC]

Anyone can believe that has heard the gospel. After all that is what hearing the gospel is all about. I forget you Calvinist don't have to hear it because you're elected. Even though you can't prove it.
MB

We all had to hear the Word (Jesus) of God speak to us. Just hearing the Bible being read is not enough. The godless will think it is foolishness. But the one to whom Jesus speaks and hears his voice, there is nothing to do but follow him to the cross.

 

[MB]

Can as in allowed? Or can as in able? There is a difference. And I have never said you don't have to hear. Who said that? False representation.

Just about every Calvinist here when they claim inability that includes you.Most claim Salvation comes first before the faith We get faith from hearing the gospel.
MB

 

[AustinC]

Just about every Calvinist here when they claim inability that includes you.Most claim Salvation comes first before the faith We get faith from hearing the gospel.
MB

We must hear the Word (Jesus) of God, be quickened by the Holy Spirit. You are correct, if you mean what I just clarified. But, if you mean just hearing someone read the Bible, then that is untrue. The Jews heard the Bible, but they did not believe, they had no faith. One must hear the voice of God speak into their hearts, in which case God gives us faith to believe.

 

[canadyjd]

Just about every Calvinist here when they claim inability that includes you.Most claim Salvation comes first before the faith We get faith from hearing the gospel.
MB

I will only speak for myself. The gospel is the God-given means of bringing the elect to salvation. It is necessary. God is well pleased to bring salvation to those who believe the foolishness of the message preached; that is Jesus Christ and Him crucified.

Holy Spirit draws us, transforms us to be able to believe in spite of our sin nature, convicts us of the truth of who Jesus is and what He has done, and gives us faith to respond to the gospel by accepting Christ as Savior and then permanently indwells us for all our days.

Additionally, the gospel also condemns those who reject it. For one person, drawn by Holy Spirit, an aroma of life. For another, an aroma of death.

And who is adequate for such things? Salvation is a work of God from start to finish.

Few understand it. Fewer still accept it.

Peace to you

 

[Reformed1689]

Just about every Calvinist here when they claim inability that includes you.Most claim Salvation comes first before the faith We get faith from hearing the gospel.
MB

Nope you are putting words in my mouth. I have never said that. Nor do I believe that.

 

[MB]

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Hello Sharmamanik061. Welcome to the B.B.

If salvation is offered to those who trust in the risen Christ, then Christ justifies the godly, not the ungodly..
Salvation is offered through Christ to all people without exception. However, men will always reject Christ unless God will open their hearts to receive Him (proof texts available on request. I get fed up with repeating them). I'm not sure why you find that complex.

So the underlined is why you don't offer scriptural support for your Calvinism. Where would we be if Christ got fed up?. Men do not always reject Salvation. Some like Cornelius accept Christ the moment they hear the scriptures preached. Not just Cornelius his whole house hold accepted Christ as soon as they heard the gospel Calvinist have claimed that God's grace is irresistible. That man cannot resist God. Some even claim they were dragged off into Salvation against there wills.lol

Those who trust in the risen Christ are already saved. They are already Justified the moment they believe.
Calvinist complicate the Salvation process by adding unconditional election to it along with irresistible grace and Total depravity Then they drop limited atonement in the listeners lap. None of this false doctrine is true.
MB