Sabbath breaking - becomes the mark of the Beast in the future

[BobRyan]

BobRyan,
I only need the scriptures on my side

Yes that would be helpful.

from page 1 -- scripture that is not always welcome within a given man-made tradition


10 Commandments are –
“Commandments of God” Neh 10:29
“Law of God” Neh 10:29
“Word of God” Mark 7:13
“Commandment of God” Mark 7:6-13
NT “Scripture” James 2:8
NT “Law” – James 2:9-11
NT Commandments Eph 6:2, Rom 13:9, Romans 7:7-10


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Christ's thinking on the subject of breaking one of God's Commandments by claiming to bend-edit slightly-modify one of them.


Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

That is a case of Christ demonstrating the way that the magisterium is hammered "sola scriptura" in the cases where it's traditions and "doctrines of men" are at odds with scripture.

 

[Darrell C]

Originally Posted by vooks View Post
BobRyan,
I only need the scriptures on my side

Yes that would be helpful.

Bob, shalom...not suh-lamm!


God bless.

 

[BobRyan]

In any case - Christ makes a good point in Mark 7 and we ignore His teaching at our own peril.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[DHK]

In any case - Christ makes a good point in Mark 7 and we ignore His teaching at our own peril.

in Christ,

Bob

You put yourself at your own peril.
Consider:
Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
--You have put yourself under a curse.

You cannot answer this question:

Moody did not keep the Sabbath, and neither do you.
Tell me in detail Bob. How do you keep the Sabbath. Give us some details of what you do on the Sabbath day that fulfills the Biblical requirements of "keeping the Sabbath Day."

 

[BobRyan]

You put yourself at your own peril.
Consider:
Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
--You have put yourself under a curse.

All have sinned - Romans 3. Not too surprising. You present Gal 3 as IF it had said "do not dare to not commit adultery or to refrain from stealing for he who keeps some part of God's Law must be sinless or else be lost and forfeit eternal life - only those who are careful to live in rebellion against My Law are saved" -- that is not what Gal 3 teaches at all -- as it turns out.

"If you Love Me KEEP My Commandments" John 14:15 is the pre-cross teaching of Christ
"Love Me and KEEP My Commandments" Exodus 20 is the pre-cross teaching of Christ

But here is where peril is warned against --

[FONT=&quot]Matt 5
17 “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. 19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Luke 16[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]17[/FONT][FONT=&quot] And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one tittle of the law to fail.
18 “Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced from her husband commits adultery. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
Rom 13

8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
9 For this,
Thou shalt not commit adultery,
Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal,
Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Thou shalt not covet;

and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.


James 2
8 If, however, you are fulfilling the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” (Lev 19:18) you are doing well.
9 But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all.
11 For He who said, [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“Do not commit adultery[/FONT][FONT=&quot],”
also said, [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“Do not commit murder.”[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Now if you do not commit adultery, but do commit murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]12 So speak and so act as those who are to be judged by the law of liberty


[/FONT]

 

[BobRyan]

Can we rewrite/edit the Bible in the text below to say "In vain do they worship me teaching the Commandments of God instead of the commandments of men"???

Or "In vain do they worship Me by daring to keep even ONE of My Commandments"??

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Christ's thinking on the subject of breaking one of God's Commandments by claiming to bend-edit slightly-modify one of them.


Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

That is a case of Christ demonstrating the way that the magisterium is hammered "sola scriptura" in the cases where it's traditions and "doctrines of men" are at odds with scripture.

 

[BobRyan]

[FONT=&quot]ROMANS 6[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]1What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase? [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]2May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it? [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]3Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death? [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]4Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]5For if we have become united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be in the likeness of His resurrection, [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]6knowing this, that our old self was crucified with Him, in order that our body of sin might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin; [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]7 for he who has died is freed from sin.

8Now if we have died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him, [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]9knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, is never to die again; death no longer is master over Him. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]10For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]11Even so consider yourselves to be dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]12Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its lusts, [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]13and do not go on presenting the members of your body to sin as instruments of unrighteousness; but present yourselves to God as those alive from the dead,
13 -and your members as instruments of righteousness to God. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]14For sin shall not be master over you[/FONT][FONT=&quot], for you are not under law but under grace.
15What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? May it never be! [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]16Do you not know that when you present yourselves to someone as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin resulting in death, or of obedience resulting in righteousness? [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]17But thanks be to God that though you were slaves of sin, you
became obedient from the heart to that form of teaching to which you were committed, [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]18and having been freed from sin, you became slaves of righteousness. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]"[/FONT][FONT=&quot]But what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God[/FONT][FONT=&quot]" 1Cor 7:19[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Do we then make void the LAW of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we ESTABLISH the Law of God[/FONT][FONT=&quot]” Rom 3:31[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Rom 8[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]5 For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit.[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]6 For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace,[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]7 because [/FONT][FONT=&quot]the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God;[/FONT][FONT=&quot] for it [/FONT][FONT=&quot]does not subject itself to the Law of God[/FONT][FONT=&quot], for it [/FONT][FONT=&quot]is not even able to do so[/FONT][FONT=&quot],[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]8 and those who are in the flesh cannot please God[/FONT][FONT=&quot].[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]============================= which fits[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Rom 13[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
9 For this,
Thou shalt not commit adultery,
Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal,
Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Thou shalt not covet;

and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.


James 2
8 If, however, you are fulfilling the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” (Lev 19:18) you are doing well.
9 But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all.
11 For He who said,
“Do not commit adultery,”
also said,
“Do not commit murder.”
Now if you do not commit adultery, but do commit murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.
12 So speak and so act as those who are to be judged by the law of liberty[/FONT]

 

[DHK]

All have sinned - Romans 3. Not too surprising. You present Gal 3 as IF it had said "do not dare to not commit adultery or to refrain from stealing for he who keeps some part of God's Law must be sinless or else be lost and forfeit eternal life - only those who are careful to live in rebellion against My Law are saved" -- that is not what Gal 3 teaches at all -- as it turns out.

"If you Love Me KEEP My Commandments" John 14:15 is the pre-cross teaching of Christ
"Love Me and KEEP My Commandments" Exodus 20 is the pre-cross teaching of Christ

But here is where peril is warned against --

[FONT=&quot]Matt 5
17 “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. 19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Luke 16[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]17[/FONT][FONT=&quot] And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one tittle of the law to fail.
18 “Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced from her husband commits adultery. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
Rom 13

8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
9 For this,
Thou shalt not commit adultery,
Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal,
Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Thou shalt not covet;

and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.


James 2
8 If, however, you are fulfilling the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” (Lev 19:18) you are doing well.
9 But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all.
11 For He who said, [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“Do not commit adultery[/FONT][FONT=&quot],”
also said, [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“Do not commit murder.”[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Now if you do not commit adultery, but do commit murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]12 So speak and so act as those who are to be judged by the law of liberty


[/FONT]

Quoting scripture doesn't answer the problems and questions set before you.

 

[BobRyan]

Quoting scripture doesn't answer the problems and questions set before you.

It does for those who read scripture.

I never claim to want to take away anyone's free will.

 

[DHK]

It does for those who read scripture.

I never claim to want to take away anyone's free will.

You are acting just like Lakeside. Both SDA and the RCC are cults and you are answering the exact same way. I asked him to prove or demonstrate the doctrine of Purgatory from the Bible. He did exactly what you just did--gave me a list of Scriptures.

I told you that you don't keep the Sabbath in spite of saying that you do. You just pretend. It is all "make-believe," just like Lakeside's imaginary doctrines. If you honestly keep the Sabbath then demonstrate how you keep the Sabbath and back it up with Scripture. I have asked you that many times and have only been met with complete silence. But this time you gave a string of Scriptures, which are meaningless unless you give some application to your own life. You haven't demonstrated a thing.
It is incredible how you and Lakeside answer questions in relatively the same way.

 

[vooks]

You are acting just like Lakeside. Both SDA and the RCC are cults and you are answering the exact same way. I asked him to prove or demonstrate the doctrine of Purgatory from the Bible. He did exactly what you just did--gave me a list of Scriptures.

I told you that you don't keep the Sabbath in spite of saying that you do. You just pretend. It is all "make-believe," just like Lakeside's imaginary doctrines. If you honestly keep the Sabbath then demonstrate how you keep the Sabbath and back it up with Scripture. I have asked you that many times and have only been met with complete silence. But this time you gave a string of Scriptures, which are meaningless unless you give some application to your own life. You haven't demonstrated a thing.
It is incredible how you and Lakeside answer questions in relatively the same way.

Thank you DHK.
You called them out right.

When cultists are cornered, they play dumb and pretend that their beliefs are so OBVIOUS from specific verses whereas they are just scared of giving their nonsensical explanation/understanding of their verses. Then they blame you for ignoring the 'plain truth' of the scriptures.

So I ask, what is the difference between a moral and a ceremonial law? BobRyan just throws scriptures around

Next I ask, what is a commandment? SDAs believe commandments are just the Ten. Yet he can't even attempt to demonstrate that

Next I ask for HISTORICAL evidence of a belief in Investigative Judgement (only SDAs teach this) and all I get are verses.

And I needed his comments on Daniel 8. No comment

So it is not that BobRyan is stupid, it is just some ingrained defense mechanisms. Isn't it amazing how you can subscribe to weird and unique doctrines, make them tests of orthodoxy, and then shy away from defending them?

The good thing is you can't run away for your conscience. In his closet, he will meditate on this very things he can't confront on a public forum

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

I never claim to want to take away anyone's free will.

There's your dilemma, Bob, the same dilemma your free will tjommies have ---the <<free will>> you ALL ---you AND your 'opponents'--- so worship SUPREME.

DHK : and that's what YOU miss to see time and again.

Them SDA's aren't that lonely and alone! They're spread out all commonly because they all are just free-willers, whether free-willer Sabbatharians or free-willer Sundaydarians. Just the same. ABSOLUTELY no difference between the one and the other.

 

[BobRyan]

Originally Posted by BobRyan
All have sinned - Romans 3. Not too surprising. You present Gal 3 as IF it had said "do not dare to not commit adultery or to refrain from stealing for he who keeps some part of God's Law must be sinless or else be lost and forfeit eternal life - only those who are careful to live in rebellion against My Law are saved" -- that is not what Gal 3 teaches at all -- as it turns out.

"If you Love Me KEEP My Commandments" John 14:15 is the pre-cross teaching of Christ
"Love Me and KEEP My Commandments" Exodus 20 is the pre-cross teaching of Christ

But here is where peril is warned against --

[FONT=&quot]Matt 5
17 “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. 19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Luke 16[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]17[/FONT][FONT=&quot] And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one tittle of the law to fail.
18 “Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced from her husband commits adultery. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
Rom 13

8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
9 For this,
Thou shalt not commit adultery,
Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal,
Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Thou shalt not covet;

and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.


James 2
8 If, however, you are fulfilling the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” (Lev 19:18) you are doing well.
9 But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all.
11 For He who said, [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“Do not commit adultery[/FONT][FONT=&quot],”
also said, [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“Do not commit murder.”[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Now if you do not commit adultery, but do commit murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]12 So speak and so act as those who are to be judged by the law of liberty

[/FONT]

Quoting scripture doesn't answer the problems and questions set before you.

It does for those who read scripture.

I never claim to want to take away anyone's free will.

Name-calling-alone -- the method so often resorted to by devotees to a failing solution - was not the compelling solution in the dark ages that it was imagined to be .... as it turns out.

You are acting just like Lakeside.

Of the two of us (you and me) - one of us resorts to name-calling ad hominem just as was done in the dark ages and so Vooks joins them often in that sort of sandbox fluff - to the point of being "well known" even on this board for doing so.

Let the reader figure out where the similarities are with the dark ages.

I think the fruits are clearly seen in that regard. If the texts given above are so repulsive to a certain bias and POV - consider giving up that bias.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

so then page one of this thread - addresses this OP from another thread.

So Sabbath was for 'mankind' that is all men?

1. Why did God punish Israel sending them into captivity for breaking sabbath yet He never punished Gentiles who never kept it in the first place?

2. How could sabbath be a sign between Israel and Jehovah if all men were expected to keep it as per Exodus 31:17?

3. How comes all recorded judgements against Gentiles by God's prophets never mention breaking sabbath?

4. Ephesians 2:12 (KJV)" ...being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world..."
How comes Gentiles are 'aliens' to the covenant signified by sign they were supposed to keep?
5. How comes sabbath keeping was ONLY required for strangers WITHIN the gates and not without?-Exodus 20:10

 

[DHK]

Originally Posted by BobRyan
All have sinned - Romans 3. Not too surprising. You present Gal 3 as IF it had said "do not dare to not commit adultery or to refrain from stealing for he who keeps some part of God's Law must be sinless or else be lost and forfeit eternal life - only those who are careful to live in rebellion against My Law are saved" -- that is not what Gal 3 teaches at all -- as it turns out.

"If you Love Me KEEP My Commandments" John 14:15 is the pre-cross teaching of Christ
"Love Me and KEEP My Commandments" Exodus 20 is the pre-cross teaching of Christ

But here is where peril is warned against --

[FONT=&quot]Matt 5
17 “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. 19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Luke 16[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]17[/FONT][FONT=&quot] And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one tittle of the law to fail.
18 “Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced from her husband commits adultery. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
Rom 13

8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
9 For this,
Thou shalt not commit adultery,
Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal,
Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Thou shalt not covet;

and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.


James 2
8 If, however, you are fulfilling the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” (Lev 19:18) you are doing well.
9 But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all.
11 For He who said, [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“Do not commit adultery[/FONT][FONT=&quot],”
also said, [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“Do not commit murder.”[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Now if you do not commit adultery, but do commit murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]12 So speak and so act as those who are to be judged by the law of liberty
[/FONT]

We are at 22 pages now. You are still unable to answer this question which has been asked of you a countless number of times:

Tell me in detail Bob. How do you keep the Sabbath. Give us some details of what you do on the Sabbath day that fulfills the Biblical requirements of "keeping the Sabbath Day."

You can't answer that question, neither do any of the above verses give any command for the believer today to keep the Sabbath today. There is none.

Name-calling-alone -- the method so often resorted to by devotees to a failing solution - was not the compelling solution in the dark ages that it was imagined to be .... as it turns out.

I didn't call you a name. I compared your method of reasoning to that of Lakeside's. If I compared it to Spurgeon's would you still be saying I am calling you names? Of course not! A comparison is not calling a person names.

Of the two of us (you and me) - one of us resorts to name-calling ad hominem just as was done in the dark ages and so Vooks joins them often in that sort of sandbox fluff - to the point of being "well known" even on this board for doing so.

And now you are bearing false witness. Quote to me where I have called you names or used ad hominems against you. Bearing false witness is a serious sin that you need to repent of.

Let the reader figure out where the similarities are with the dark ages.

I think the fruits are clearly seen in that regard. If the texts given above are so repulsive to a certain bias and POV - consider giving up that bias.

What is repulsive is this:
You claim that keeping the Sabbath is necessary, but you can't provide one verse of Scripture that commands the believer to keep the Sabbath, therefore you position is hypocritical.

You claim to keep the Sabbath but you don't. Again, it is hypocritical. If you were honest and up front about it all you would have no problem in telling the rest of the board "How you keep the Sabbath," but you can't. In all the years you have been here you have never disclosed this. It remains a big cultish secret.

Tell me in detail Bob. How do you keep the Sabbath. Give us some details of what you do on the Sabbath day that fulfills the Biblical requirements of "keeping the Sabbath Day."
--The answer--complete silence: hypocrisy.

Conclusion: you don't keep the Sabbath. You just say you do.

On this post, post #30
http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=2230022&postcount=30

You have never even attempted though the thread is now 9 pages long. Telling isn't it?

 

[BobRyan]

We are at 22 pages now. You are still unable to answer this question which has been asked of you a countless number of times:

Tell me in detail Bob. How do you keep the Sabbath. Give us some details of what you do on the Sabbath day that fulfills the Biblical requirements of "keeping the Sabbath Day."

You can't answer that question,

Nonsense.

Utter nonsense.

You are avoiding the Bible in a last ditch desperate effort to resort to your own personal "judging of others" as the new platform to make your stand. It will be nothing more than your own personal condemnation and vitriol for others in that case - and not a lick of the Word of God!

You have no interest at all in the Word of God on this subject and each time it is quoted you disdain it as did the Jews of Christ's day. Instead you want to know if I would pick a head of grain while passing through the wheat fields and eat it -- your focus ... is the same as theirs and you marvel that I don't "play your game".

My question for you is this -- why in the world do you think that tactic would ever work in the first place??

in Christ,

Bob

 

[DHK]

Nonsense.

Utter nonsense.

You are avoiding the Bible in a last ditch desperate effort to resort to your own personal "judging of others" as the new platform to make your stand. It will be nothing more than your own personal condemnation and vitriol for others in that case - and not a lick of the Word of God!

You have no interest at all in the Word of God on this subject and each time it is quoted you disdain it as did the Jews of Christ's day. Instead you want to know if I would pick a head of grain while passing through the wheat fields and eat it -- your focus ... is the same as theirs and you marvel that I don't "play your game".

My question for you is this -- why in the world do you think that tactic would ever work in the first place??

It is not a tactic, but a simple question.
It is a question that hardly a person on the board here would not mind giving an answer to. But you, with mindset of one belonging to a secret lodge, cannot tell the board members what you do, how you worship, what it means to keep the Sabbath Day.
Obviously, if you can't describe what you do, then you don't know what it is to keep the Sabbath Day, for the Sabbath Day had strict requirements. You don't want yourself measured up against those requirements because you know you fail. Thus you go along with your game pretending and saying you keep the sabbath, when in reality you know you do not. And that, my friend, is why you will not allow yourself to tell us "how you keep the sabbath."

 

[vooks]

Nonsense.

Utter nonsense.

You are avoiding the Bible in a last ditch desperate effort to resort to your own personal "judging of others" as the new platform to make your stand. It will be nothing more than your own personal condemnation and vitriol for others in that case - and not a lick of the Word of God!

You have no interest at all in the Word of God on this subject and each time it is quoted you disdain it as did the Jews of Christ's day. Instead you want to know if I would pick a head of grain while passing through the wheat fields and eat it -- your focus ... is the same as theirs and you marvel that I don't "play your game".

My question for you is this -- why in the world do you think that tactic would ever work in the first place??

in Christ,

Bob

DHK,
Sabbath keeping rituals are esoteric concepts revealed to a few. You have better chance with extracting a confession out of a 33 degree Mason that BobRyan

 

[Robert William]

Rebel makes this observation - and gets the following answer in a post on another thread.

I think it deserves some focused attention -- it deals with the question of whether Sabbath breaking matters today.

After all we can ALL agree that if the TEN commandments are dead
- or if the Sabbath commandment can be bent to point to week-day-1,
- or if the Ten Commandments have been downsized to just NINE

then surely this issue of 7th day Sabbath breaking cannot become the mark of the Beast in the future that Rev 13 speaks of.


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Thank you for your post - your views are always welcome and never taken as ad hominem but always as sincere Christian observation.

We don't say Sunday observance is the mark of the beast rather we say it will be in the future.

If our prediction for the future does not pan out then we were wrong - but how can you present proof that the future does not include this fact - before that time?

...
in Christ,

Bob

Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
Col 2:10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
Col 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
Col 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
Col 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Col 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

 

[BobRyan]

Col 2 was not written to condemn the Bible - that Bible that Christ upholds in Mark 7.

It was written to condemn "the Commandents of MEN"

But some might say - "surely breaking one of God's Commandments is not something that matters that much to Christ -- so sacrifice in praise and worship -- better than to obey".

Let us test that theory out.

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Bible texts both NT and OT about God's Commandments - Showing that the TEN Commandments are assigned the title "in scripture" as being "Commandments of God" -- and as also being "The Word of God"

10 Commandments are –
“Commandments of God” Neh 10:29
“Law of God” Neh 10:29
“Word of God” Mark 7:13
“Commandment of God” Mark 7:6-13
NT “Scripture” James 2:8
NT “Law” – James 2:9-11
NT Commandments Eph 6:2, Rom 13:9, Romans 7:7-10


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Christ's thinking on the subject of breaking one of God's Commandments by claiming to bend-edit slightly-modify one of them.


Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

That is a case of Christ demonstrating the way that the magisterium is hammered "sola scriptura" in the cases where it's traditions and "doctrines of men" are at odds with scripture.

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Then Jesus spoke to the crowds and to his disciples, saying, “The scribes and the Pharisees have taken their seat on the chair of Moses. Therefore, do and observe all things whatsoever they tell you, but do not follow their example. For they preach but they do not practice. (Matthew 23:1-3)

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