Featured Sabbath breaking - becomes the mark of the Beast in the future

Yes that would be helpful.

from page 1 -- scripture that is not always welcome within a given man-made tradition


10 Commandments are –
“Commandments of God” Neh 10:29
“Law of God” Neh 10:29
“Word of God” Mark 7:13
“Commandment of God” Mark 7:6-13
NT “Scripture” James 2:8
NT “Law” – James 2:9-11
NT Commandments Eph 6:2, Rom 13:9, Romans 7:7-10


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Christ's thinking on the subject of breaking one of God's Commandments by claiming to bend-edit slightly-modify one of them.


Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

That is a case of Christ demonstrating the way that the magisterium is hammered "sola scriptura" in the cases where it's traditions and "doctrines of men" are at odds with scripture.

 

In any case - Christ makes a good point in Mark 7 and we ignore His teaching at our own peril.

in Christ,

Bob

 

All have sinned - Romans 3. Not too surprising. You present Gal 3 as IF it had said "do not dare to not commit adultery or to refrain from stealing for he who keeps some part of God's Law must be sinless or else be lost and forfeit eternal life - only those who are careful to live in rebellion against My Law are saved" -- that is not what Gal 3 teaches at all -- as it turns out.

"If you Love Me KEEP My Commandments" John 14:15 is the pre-cross teaching of Christ
"Love Me and KEEP My Commandments" Exodus 20 is the pre-cross teaching of Christ

But here is where peril is warned against --

[FONT=&quot]Matt 5
17 “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. 19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Luke 16[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]17[/FONT][FONT=&quot] And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one tittle of the law to fail.
18 “Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced from her husband commits adultery. [/FONT]
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Rom 13

8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
9 For this,
Thou shalt not commit adultery,
Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal,
Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Thou shalt not covet;

and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.


James 2
8 If, however, you are fulfilling the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” (Lev 19:18) you are doing well.
9 But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all.
11 For He who said, [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“Do not commit adultery[/FONT][FONT=&quot],”
also said, [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“Do not commit murder.”[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Now if you do not commit adultery, but do commit murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]12 So speak and so act as those who are to be judged by the law of liberty


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Can we rewrite/edit the Bible in the text below to say "In vain do they worship me teaching the Commandments of God instead of the commandments of men"???

Or "In vain do they worship Me by daring to keep even ONE of My Commandments"??

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Christ's thinking on the subject of breaking one of God's Commandments by claiming to bend-edit slightly-modify one of them.


Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

That is a case of Christ demonstrating the way that the magisterium is hammered "sola scriptura" in the cases where it's traditions and "doctrines of men" are at odds with scripture.

 

[FONT=&quot]ROMANS 6[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]1What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase? [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]2May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in it? [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]3Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death? [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]4Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]5For if we have become united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be in the likeness of His resurrection, [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]6knowing this, that our old self was crucified with Him, in order that our body of sin might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin; [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]7 for he who has died is freed from sin.

8Now if we have died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him, [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]9knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, is never to die again; death no longer is master over Him. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]10For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]11Even so consider yourselves to be dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]12Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its lusts, [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]13and do not go on presenting the members of your body to sin as instruments of unrighteousness; but present yourselves to God as those alive from the dead,
13 -and your members as instruments of righteousness to God. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]14For sin shall not be master over you[/FONT][FONT=&quot], for you are not under law but under grace.
15What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? May it never be! [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]16Do you not know that when you present yourselves to someone as slaves for obedience, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin resulting in death, or of obedience resulting in righteousness? [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]17But thanks be to God that though you were slaves of sin, you
became obedient from the heart to that form of teaching to which you were committed, [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]18and having been freed from sin, you became slaves of righteousness. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]"[/FONT][FONT=&quot]But what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God[/FONT][FONT=&quot]" 1Cor 7:19[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Do we then make void the LAW of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we ESTABLISH the Law of God[/FONT][FONT=&quot]” Rom 3:31[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Rom 8[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]5 For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit.[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]6 For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace,[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]7 because [/FONT][FONT=&quot]the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God;[/FONT][FONT=&quot] for it [/FONT][FONT=&quot]does not subject itself to the Law of God[/FONT][FONT=&quot], for it [/FONT][FONT=&quot]is not even able to do so[/FONT][FONT=&quot],[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]8 and those who are in the flesh cannot please God[/FONT][FONT=&quot].[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]============================= which fits[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Rom 13[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
9 For this,
Thou shalt not commit adultery,
Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal,
Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Thou shalt not covet;

and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.


James 2
8 If, however, you are fulfilling the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” (Lev 19:18) you are doing well.
9 But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all.
11 For He who said,
“Do not commit adultery,”
also said,
“Do not commit murder.”
Now if you do not commit adultery, but do commit murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.
12 So speak and so act as those who are to be judged by the law of liberty[/FONT]

 

It does for those who read scripture.

I never claim to want to take away anyone's free will.

 

Originally Posted by BobRyan
All have sinned - Romans 3. Not too surprising. You present Gal 3 as IF it had said "do not dare to not commit adultery or to refrain from stealing for he who keeps some part of God's Law must be sinless or else be lost and forfeit eternal life - only those who are careful to live in rebellion against My Law are saved" -- that is not what Gal 3 teaches at all -- as it turns out.

"If you Love Me KEEP My Commandments" John 14:15 is the pre-cross teaching of Christ
"Love Me and KEEP My Commandments" Exodus 20 is the pre-cross teaching of Christ

But here is where peril is warned against --

[FONT=&quot]Matt 5
17 “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. 19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Luke 16[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]17[/FONT][FONT=&quot] And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one tittle of the law to fail.
18 “Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery; and whoever marries her who is divorced from her husband commits adultery. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
Rom 13

8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
9 For this,
Thou shalt not commit adultery,
Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal,
Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Thou shalt not covet;

and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.


James 2
8 If, however, you are fulfilling the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” (Lev 19:18) you are doing well.
9 But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors. 10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all.
11 For He who said, [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“Do not commit adultery[/FONT][FONT=&quot],”
also said, [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“Do not commit murder.”[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Now if you do not commit adultery, but do commit murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]12 So speak and so act as those who are to be judged by the law of liberty

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Name-calling-alone -- the method so often resorted to by devotees to a failing solution - was not the compelling solution in the dark ages that it was imagined to be .... as it turns out.

Of the two of us (you and me) - one of us resorts to name-calling ad hominem just as was done in the dark ages and so Vooks joins them often in that sort of sandbox fluff - to the point of being "well known" even on this board for doing so.

Let the reader figure out where the similarities are with the dark ages.

I think the fruits are clearly seen in that regard. If the texts given above are so repulsive to a certain bias and POV - consider giving up that bias.

in Christ,

Bob

 

so then page one of this thread - addresses this OP from another thread.

 

Nonsense.

Utter nonsense.

You are avoiding the Bible in a last ditch desperate effort to resort to your own personal "judging of others" as the new platform to make your stand. It will be nothing more than your own personal condemnation and vitriol for others in that case - and not a lick of the Word of God!

You have no interest at all in the Word of God on this subject and each time it is quoted you disdain it as did the Jews of Christ's day. Instead you want to know if I would pick a head of grain while passing through the wheat fields and eat it -- your focus ... is the same as theirs and you marvel that I don't "play your game".

My question for you is this -- why in the world do you think that tactic would ever work in the first place??

in Christ,

Bob

 

Col 2 was not written to condemn the Bible - that Bible that Christ upholds in Mark 7.

It was written to condemn "the Commandents of MEN"