Salvation/election in an illustration

[reformedbeliever]

Oh, I'm only using the logic of what justice entails, nothing more...nothing less. If man is not responsible whatsoever for faith, they must, judicially speaking, not be responsible for non-faith. That's what justice is.

Try hard to not use man's sense of justice when dealing with God's Word. Our justice is not the same as HIs. Our sense of justice falls way short of God's justice.

 

[webdog]

Try hard to not use man's sense of justice when dealing with God's Word. Our justice is not the same as HIs. Our sense of justice falls way short of God's justice.

Where do you think ours came from considering nothing good comes from within man?

Where do good morals come from? Where does our conscience came from?

 

[webdog]

Who said man is not responsible for faith? If you do not have faith in the finished work of our Savior, God will hold you responsible.

Responsible of what exactly, if you have already passed from spiritual death to spiritual life (regeneration)?

 

[reformedbeliever]

Where do you think ours came from considering nothing good comes from within man?

So you think that our version or view of justice is the same as God's view?

 

[webdog]

So you think that our version or view of justice is the same as God's view?

The qualities that align with Him and His law, of course!

 

[reformedbeliever]

Where do you think ours came from considering nothing good comes from within man?

Where do good morals come from? Where does our conscience came from?

Are your morals and conscience perfect? Are your morals the same as other people's morals? Did God give some better morals than others?

 

[reformedbeliever]

The qualities that align with Him and His law, of course!

Try to stay focused Web. Do you remember what we were talking about?

 

[webdog]

Are your morals and conscience perfect? Are your morals the same as other people's morals? Did God give some better morals than others?

Who's talking about perfection? Who's not focused here?

 

[reformedbeliever]

Who's talking about perfection? Who's not focused here?

Web, God's judgement, His justice, along with all His attributes are perfect. Therefore I think you would agree that ours is not. Do you understand where I am coming from now? Our sense of justice is not perfect as His is. We are guilty of trying to justify many things we do, say or think, even through His Word. For example........ my wife can justify buying another pair of shoes......... the 400th pair because they were on sale.

 

[nunatak]

Great back and forth here!! One question, what does free will of man really mean? Can unregenerate man choose of his own volition to have faith in Christ? To me, free will means totally free, without constraint or restraint. Is that so? What about bondage of sin?

 

[Amy.G]

For example........ my wife can justify buying another pair of shoes......... the 400th pair because they were on sale.

So.....uh....what's yer point??

You say that like it's something bad.



:laugh:

 

[Amy.G]

Great back and forth here!! One question, what does free will of man really mean? Can unregenerate man choose of his own volition to have faith in Christ? To me, free will means totally free, without constraint or restraint. Is that so? What about bondage of sin?

You're only as free as God allows you to be.

 

[reformedbeliever]

Great back and forth here!! One question, what does free will of man really mean? Can unregenerate man choose of his own volition to have faith in Christ? To me, free will means totally free, without constraint or restraint. Is that so? What about bondage of sin?

This is exactly the problem with those who hold to free will. Many, not all, think that God does not intervene in any way or that would make them robots. They think God's providence works in only one way. In other words, if God saved someone from certain death by causing them to miss a flight that ended up crashing, they would say that was by God's providence. In the same illustration, they would say that God did not cause another person who caught the flight to die. I didn't word that just right, but I think you get the point.
God is sovereign or He isn't. Men are free to act within the bounds of the freedom God gives them. God does have a master plan. All things are decreed by God. God's plan will be accomplished.

 

[nunatak]

Not sure what you mean Amy, but I am glad that the Lord compels some people to come into salvation. If He had not compelled me, I would not be here placing my faith in Christ alone.

 

[Amy.G]

Not sure what you mean Amy, but I am glad that the Lord compels some people to come into salvation. If He had not compelled me, I would not be here placing my faith in Christ alone.

I mean this:

Originally Posted by reformedbeliever
Men are free to act within the bounds of the freedom God gives them.

 

[reformedbeliever]

You're only as free as God allows you to be.

You calvinist! :laugh:

Who's free will is more important? God's or man's?

 

[nunatak]

Amy your so clever, lol.:laugh:

 

[Amy.G]

You calvinist! :laugh:

Who's free will is more important? God's or man's?

Mine. I'm gonna go buy some shoes! :laugh:

 

[reformedbeliever]

Mine. I'm gonna go buy some shoes! :laugh:

yeah, but if you go buy some shoes it will be because God decreed that I would use the illustration of my wife getting her 400th pair on sale!
so is it really your decision or is it God putting it in your mind to help the economy and go buy another pair of shoes? And tell us Amy........... how many pairs do you have?

 

[Amy.G]

yeah, but if you go buy some shoes it will be because God decreed that I would use the illustration of my wife getting her 400th pair on sale!
so is it really your decision or is it God putting it in your mind to help the economy and go buy another pair of shoes? And tell us Amy........... how many pairs do you have?

Yes. God definitely put it in my mind (and your wife's mind) to buy the 401st pair of shoes. So, you cannot stop us! It has been decreed! :laugh:

397, 398, 399..............