It doesn't RT.
Yeah we know that...but obviously DHK doesn't.
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It doesn't RT.
Without regeneration in the OT, how would anyone do anything pleasing to God? Without it, David would been a slave to sin and unable to be a man after God's heart. No one would seek God.If you truly study out regeneration, you will not find it anywhere in the scriptures pre-cross. Calvinism simply decided it must be because if it is not then the whole Calvinism theology is destroyed.
John 3:13 - "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven".
Ask yourself, why did the true believers pre-cross have to wait in Paradise until Jesus Christ was glorified? They were not allowed in heaven yet, Jesus said at the time, no man has ever ascended up to heaven.
John 7:38-39 - "He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
(But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)"
Psalm 68:16 - "Thou hast ascended on high, thou hast led captivity captive: thou hast received gifts for men; yea, for the rebellious also, that the LORD God might dwell among them.
Do we understand the whole point of Jesus Christ coming to preach the kingdom of God was at hand??? Do we understand a BIG change was coming??? Do we understand God was about to DWELL in man, not just speak through man with Holy Spirit power, but actually do a NEW work and create a NEW creature??? Actually become united with God, two becoming one new creature, Christ IN YOU!!!!!!!!
Calvinism says NO, it's the same ole same ole. No big change, nothing different, Jesus just had to be sacrificed for the sins of His sheep, otherwise, nothing new.........
Do we understand WHY Christ could not dwell in a sin ridden man??? Why Christ could not join Himself with man pre-cross??? The sin debt had to be properly paid. Jesus had to be sacrificed for sin. ONLY then could Christ enter into man and become one with man!!! Bulls and goats didn't cut it.
Without regeneration in the OT, how would anyone do anything pleasing to God? Without it, David would been a slave to sin and unable to be a man after God's heart. No one would seek God.
Without regeneration in the OT, how would anyone do anything pleasing to God? Without it, David would been a slave to sin and unable to be a man after God's heart. No one would seek God.
Held over in Paradise????If you truly study out regeneration, you will not find it anywhere in the scriptures pre-cross. Calvinism simply decided it must be because if it is not then the whole Calvinism theology is destroyed.
John 3:13 - "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven".
Ask yourself, why did the true believers pre-cross have to wait in Paradise until Jesus Christ was glorified? They were not allowed in heaven yet, Jesus said at the time, no man has ever ascended up to heaven.
John 7:38-39 - "He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
(But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)"
Psalm 68:16 - "Thou hast ascended on high, thou hast led captivity captive: thou hast received gifts for men; yea, for the rebellious also, that the LORD God might dwell among them.
Do we understand the whole point of Jesus Christ coming to preach the kingdom of God was at hand??? Do we understand a BIG change was coming??? Do we understand God was about to DWELL in man, not just speak through man with Holy Spirit power, but actually do a NEW work and create a NEW creature??? Actually become united with God, two becoming one new creature, Christ IN YOU!!!!!!!!
Calvinism says NO, it's the same ole same ole. No big change, nothing different, Jesus just had to be sacrificed for the sins of His sheep, otherwise, nothing new.........
Do we understand WHY Christ could not dwell in a sin ridden man??? Why Christ could not join Himself with man pre-cross??? The sin debt had to be properly paid. Jesus had to be sacrificed for sin. ONLY then could Christ enter into man and become one with man!!! Bulls and goats didn't cut it.
It doesn't.Where does scripture eliminate the idea of regeneration in the OT?
It doesn't.
I wasnt arguing against regeneration. Sorry if I came across that way.Where does scripture eliminate the idea of regeneration in the OT?
No....you have me a verse if to be taken in the sense you use. Then no one is currently in heaven still. John wrote this and said "No one has ascended into heaven". He says " has". Not "had". The verse refers to Christ being exalted into the heavenly court.That is Calvinism theology. Without regeneration before the glorification of Jesus Christ, Calvinism collapses. Do you believe a holy God can dwell inside a sin ridden man? If so, then the sacrifice of Jesus Christ was pointless. I gave you scripture that declares no man ever went to heaven before Jesus Christ was glorified. What will you do with it?
I want arguing against regeneration. Sorry if I came across that way.
Well I'm waiting on anyone that can show me scripture eliminating the possibility of OT saints being regeneration.
Don't hold your breath.[emoji2]Well I'm waiting on anyone that can show me scripture eliminating the possibility of OT saints being regeneration.
You will be waiting for a long, long time. I hope you have a comfy chair and some snacks.
Don't hold your breath.[emoji2]
From the Bible:Name just one of the many that resisted the inward call of the holy spirit. Let me clarify that, who denied the holy spirits call to accept. Give me one.
Cornelius was not saved. He did not know of Christ or his salvation.For clarification,....Cornelius had no faith in the works of Christ or the promise of Christ?
I gave you a very detailed answer which ended with this example:I have answered many of times. Faith comes from the word,in belief in the word of Christ after the believer has been regenerated, so the word of Christ is no longer folly. Faith is only in the God regenerated believer. It is only after regeneration that the believer can do anything to please God.
Now answer the question and stop dodging.
How did you get your faith?
IOW, faith is innate. Do you really need a lesson in "how to believe."?Paul simply said: "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved."
He didn't have to explain where the faith came from.
The jailer already knew what it meant to believe.
If you say he could have been regenerated, then it would have been possible for Osama Ben Laden or Sadam Hussein to have been regenerated. Who knows the way of the Spirit????????
Again, you need to study on your own "what is faith?"Only thing I see in your statement about a "sinner's" faith is that the unregenerate sinner puts his faith in Christ. That is work. The uses faith he generated based on logic and reason. Work.
No. Are you coming around? God gives the gift of faith. It is not generated by the individual. A person does not have innate faith --The Lord grants both faith and repentance to those of His choosing. It is not of you, but God. He caused you to be born from above. Without His direct intervention you would be lost in your sins.When one receives a gift, does he have to "generate" the faith by which he receives it?
Acts: They were resisting the teachings that the Holy Spirit provided through teachers(Steven). It says nothing about them resisting the inward call.From the Bible:
Act 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
--Peter was preaching to about 100,000 Jews out of which 3,000 were saved. I am sure that "pricked in their heart" that is "convicted of the Holy Spirit" applied to far more than just 3,000. But if you are not, let's move on.
In his sermon Stephen said:
Act 7:51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.
--Their resistance of the Holy Spirit is obvious here, as Stephen observed not only here, but all throughout their history.
Act 7:54 When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth.
--Great conviction of sin here--even to the point of gnashing of teeth.
Act 7:57 Then they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one accord,
Act 7:58 And cast him out of the city, and stoned him: and the witnesses laid down their clothes at a young man's feet, whose name was Saul.
--The ultimate in resisting the Holy Spirit. It was a reaction to Stephen's vision of seeing Jesus standing on the right hand of the throne of God, and Stephen declaring his deity. They couldn't bear the testimony of Stephen's Spirit-filled message any longer. With a Satanic urge they cried aloud, deafened their ears, and murdered Stephen.
Let there be no doubt. They were convicted of the Holy Spirit but resisted Him.
As a pastor:
I have seen many under the conviction of the Holy Spirit, clutching the pew in front of them, knowing that they should come to Christ, but resisting the Spirit not wanting to yield to Him. Many times has this happened.