Should a good Christian be patriotic?

[Zaac]

Are you like crabtownboy in that you support the party of death, the democrat party and its abortionist-in-chief Obama.

Save the devil's tactics of division for someone else. I'm a follower of Jesus Christ and am defined as such and not by your political machinations.

Save You spend all your time in judgment of those on this Forum who disagree with your endless pious ramblings about preaching the gospel but I have yet to see one word from you condemning the party of death, the slaughter of the unborn child, or Obama!

At current, your idol worship for abortion is just as bad as anything that either of the wicked political parties could put forth.

But I haven't seen where a political party could be saved and thus it remains outside the church. You're supposedly inside so I'll deal with your evident unrepentant sin of judging outside the church.

So are you holier than Christ? He didn't come to condemn anyone yet you keep trying to get folks to condemn others.

 

[Revmitchell]

You'll be okay. You see what you want to see because ain't nobody expressed a lack of concern for unborn children. It just isn't supposed to be the holy grail of sin that you and others have made it into as though no other sins matter.

Abortion is on the exact same level as fornication.

Wow I mean just wow.

 

[Zaac]

Wow I mean just wow.

Good, you mean WOW!

That's the exact same expression that comes out of me at the individuals within the church always trying to make combatting one particular sin more important than what God commissioned us to do.

 

[Revmitchell]

Good, you mean WOW!

That's the exact same expression that comes out of me at the individuals within the church always trying to make combatting one particular sin more important than what God commissioned us to do.

Your view and attitude is sad and ungodly. I will have no more to do with you. I pray you will repent.

 

[Zaac]

Your view and attitude is sad and ungodly. I will have no more to do with you. I pray you will repent.

The only thing unGodly in this thread is this notion coming from you that the fight against abortion is supposed to be at the top of the Christian to do list. It ain't and it shouldn't be.

I stand with the Great Commission being our mission. Where's your Biblical footing?

If anyone needs to repent it's those of you who keep trying to make "YOUR MISSION" more important than God's Commission.

 

[OldRegular]

Save the devil's tactics of division for someone else. I'm a follower of Jesus Christ and am defined as such and not by your political machinations.

So you say! However, you will not condemn the slaughter of 56 million unborn children supported by the party of death. One can only assume that you support abortion.

At current, your idol worship for abortion is just as bad as anything that either of the wicked political parties could put forth.

It is the party of death that worships abortion. As I noted earlier they celebrated the slaughter of the unborn at their 2012 nominating convention that once again nominated that rabid supporter of abortion, Obama!

But I haven't seen where a political party could be saved and thus it remains outside the church.

Certainly the party of death cannot be saved.

You're supposedly inside so I'll deal with your evident unrepentant sin of judging outside the church.

Are you questioning my salvation zaac. If so be bold about it. You are bold about judging everyone on this forum. You harp repeatedly about spreading the Gospel and saving souls. However, when you show absolutely no concern for the 56,000,000 unborn babies that have been murdered your preaching sounds hollow!

So are you holier than Christ? He didn't come to condemn anyone yet you keep trying to get folks to condemn others.

Your ignorance of Scripture is showing. It is ignorant of the whole of Scripture to say that Jesus Christ did not come to condemn sin. His very coming condemned sin because of unbelief. Consider the following words of jesus Christ:

John 15:22. If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloke for their sin.

John 16:7-11
7. Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
8. And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
9. Of sin, because they believe not on me;
10. Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;
11. Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.

You see zaac the Gospel is not good news to the unbeliever, it is condemnation.

Herschel Hobbs in the book, Revelation, Three Viewpoints, writes, page 120, concerning the Gospel:

We think of the gospel of Christ as ‘good news’, which is right. But note that in Romans 1:16-18 Paul speaks of the gospel as twofold. In it is revealed God's righteousness. But he also says ‘the wrath of God is revealed’. And that's the word orge, God's abiding opposition to evil. In other words the gospel is not only the good news about salvation from sin; it is also in a sense the bad news about the judgment of God upon the unbeliever. We don't preach a whole gospel unless we preach both.

Ray Frank Robbins, page 208 of the same book, writes about the Gospel as follows:

The gospel is not the historical fact of Jesus’ death, burial, and resurrection. That is not good news to a lot of people. The gospel, the good news, is the fact that in this experience of death, burial, and resurrection God has done something for us that we cannot do for ourselves. Left to ourselves alone we can never help ourselves. We are in such a condition that we have got to have help and he has brought the help to us in Christ Jesus. In Christ he has done something for us that we cannot do for ourselves. That is good news. Not just the fact that he lived and was crucified and died and was resurrected. But the fact that I am helpless and hopeless and that God in Christ comes to me and does what I can't do, that's good news. Because if I don't have some help I am forever lost. But it is good news that he comes to me to help me.

So you see zaac the coming of Jesus Christ is salvation to the believer but condemnation to the unbeliever.

 

[Zaac]

So you say!

Yes I say.

However, you will not condemn the slaughter of 56 million unborn children supported by the party of death.

I also will not condemn you for the countless millions who have gone to hell on your watch while you've focused on condemning folks rather than sharing the loving Gospel of Jesus Christ that snatches men from the fires.

When you discover a hell to which I have the keys to condemn someone, you let me know. Jesus commissioned me to preach the Good News. If your god has told you to condemn those whom Jesus came to seek and save, then have your god take that up with Jesus.

One can only assume that you support abortion.

You mean like one can assume that you hate your neighbors and desire to see them go to hell since you're too busy condemning folks because of your pet sin rather than doing what God says to do?

It is the party of death that worships abortion.

And there seems to be another party of death and dead works that worships it's fight against abortion. Lay your idol down.

As I noted earlier they celebrated the slaughter of the unborn at their 2012 nominating convention that once again nominated that rabid supporter of abortion, Obama!

Note now that you have been celebrating your so called condemnation of THEM. SO which one of you is more just? Them for celebrating the slaughter of the unborn or you for celebrating their condemnation?

Certainly the party of death cannot be saved.

Yall and your silly politics. People are saved. Parties don't have eternal souls.:thumbsup:

Are you questioning my salvation zaac. If so be bold about it.

Oh don't blink because you know that I wouldn't have nary an ounce of reticence in saying you don't know Jesus if I thought you didn't know Jesus.

You are bold about judging everyone on this forum. You harp repeatedly about spreading the Gospel and saving souls.

Scripture tells us to judge those within the church and not those outside the church. SO which ones are YOU judging. And I make no excuses for urging Christians to being about the business to which Christ has commissioned us.

However, when you show absolutely no concern for the 56,000,000 unborn babies that have been murdered your preaching sounds hollow!

Pure foolishness brought about by your desire to serve this god of fighting abortion that you've manufactured that supersedes the mandate that Christ has commissioned Christians for.

What sounds hollow is your continued bellowing about 56 million unborn babies out one side of your neck while you bellow about condemning countless others out the other side of your neck. Save the unbridled hypocrisy for someone else.

Your ignorance of Scripture is showing. It is ignorant of the whole of Scripture to say that Jesus Christ did not come to condemn sin. His very coming condemned sin because of unbelief. Consider the following words of jesus Christ:

Either your READING glasses fell off or you've taken to flat out telling lies to support your other untruths. And that's what people do who are trying to give support for lies. They have to keep adding to their arguments so that they can convince people that their lies are the truth.

So put your glasses back on and show us all where I said that Jesus didn't come to condemn sin?

You see zaac the Gospel is not good news to the unbeliever, it is condemnation.

You see OldRegular, you don't have a clue as to what the Gospel is if you think it is not supposed to Good News to the unbeliever. Who on earth do you think Christ came seeking to save? He didn't come seeking them to condemn them. You don't have a clue what the Gospel is if you think its purpose is to condemn.

No wonder you're stuck on your idol of fighting against abortion. You don't understand Christ's commission. You're starting to sound more and more like one of the Sadducees who held their politics in higher esteem than they did the truth of God. And you sound much like one of the Pharisees stuck on some legalistic what you think you know about the law to the point of condemning folks. How about we deliver a load of #3 Surge Stone to your front lawn and you can cast your stones in condemnation at all those folks worthy of being condemned, unlike yourself.

Herschel Hobbs in the book, Revelation, Three Viewpoints, writes, page 120, concerning the Gospel:



Ray Frank Robbins, page 208 of the same book, writes about the Gospel as follows:

I'll concern myself with what Herschel and Ray Frank say when they crawl up on a tree and die for the sins of humanity.:thumbsup:

So you see zaac the coming of Jesus Christ is salvation to the believer but condemnation to the unbeliever.

For you see OldRegular,, what the coming of Jesus Christ has accomplished doesn't change what He's commissioned the Christian to do.

You're like clanging cymbals, absent the love of Christ running around condemning folks rather than giving them the Good News that is the Hope in Jesus Christ.

Spend some time at His feet.

 

[Greektim]

This is not a political question! So which forum mod moved it?

Ridiculous!!!

 

[Bro. Curtis]

So you are pro-life for the unborn. But still you refuse to be pro-life for the living, the elderly, the ill, those in poverty. In fact you support the party that has worked to make things harder on these living folk.

I suppose you will continue to derail threads.

Pro-life for the living ? Hogwash !!! You supported Terri Schiavo's tubes being pulled.

 

[Revmitchell]

This is not a political question! So which forum mod moved it?

Ridiculous!!!

http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=2095736&postcount=54

 

[OldRegular]

Yes I say.

I also will not condemn you for the countless millions who have gone to hell on your watch while you've focused on condemning folks rather than sharing the loving Gospel of Jesus Christ that snatches men from the fires.

When you discover a hell to which I have the keys to condemn someone, you let me know. Jesus commissioned me to preach the Good News. If your god has told you to condemn those whom Jesus came to seek and save, then have your god take that up with Jesus.

You mean like one can assume that you hate your neighbors and desire to see them go to hell since you're too busy condemning folks because of your pet sin rather than doing what God says to do?

And there seems to be another party of death and dead works that worships it's fight against abortion. Lay your idol down.

Note now that you have been celebrating your so called condemnation of THEM. SO which one of you is more just? Them for celebrating the slaughter of the unborn or you for celebrating their condemnation?

Yall and your silly politics. People are saved. Parties don't have eternal souls.:thumbsup:

Oh don't blink because you know that I wouldn't have nary an ounce of reticence in saying you don't know Jesus if I thought you didn't know Jesus.

Scripture tells us to judge those within the church and not those outside the church. SO which ones are YOU judging. And I make no excuses for urging Christians to being about the business to which Christ has commissioned us.

Pure foolishness brought about by your desire to serve this god of fighting abortion that you've manufactured that supersedes the mandate that Christ has commissioned Christians for.

What sounds hollow is your continued bellowing about 56 million unborn babies out one side of your neck while you bellow about condemning countless others out the other side of your neck. Save the unbridled hypocrisy for someone else.

Either your READING glasses fell off or you've taken to flat out telling lies to support your other untruths. And that's what people do who are trying to give support for lies. They have to keep adding to their arguments so that they can convince people that their lies are the truth.

So put your glasses back on and show us all where I said that Jesus didn't come to condemn sin?

You see OldRegular, you don't have a clue as to what the Gospel is if you think it is not supposed to Good News to the unbeliever. Who on earth do you think Christ came seeking to save? He didn't come seeking them to condemn them. You don't have a clue what the Gospel is if you think its purpose is to condemn.

No wonder you're stuck on your idol of fighting against abortion. You don't understand Christ's commission. You're starting to sound more and more like one of the Sadducees who held their politics in higher esteem than they did the truth of God. And you sound much like one of the Pharisees stuck on some legalistic what you think you know about the law to the point of condemning folks. How about we deliver a load of #3 Surge Stone to your front lawn and you can cast your stones in condemnation at all those folks worthy of being condemned, unlike yourself.

I'll concern myself with what Herschel and Ray Frank say when they crawl up on a tree and die for the sins of humanity.:thumbsup:

For you see OldRegular,, what the coming of Jesus Christ has accomplished doesn't change what He's commissioned the Christian to do.

You're like clanging cymbals, absent the love of Christ running around condemning folks rather than giving them the Good News that is the Hope in Jesus Christ.

Spend some time at His feet.

The rantings of zaac take on a hysterical note. If this the way he is commissioned to preach the Gospel as he claims then we are all in trouble!

 

[Crabtownboy]

The rantings of zaac take on a hysterical note. If this the way he is commissioned to preach the Gospel as he claims then we are all in trouble!

Speaking of hysterics ... of well, best not go there.

 

[OldRegular]

Speaking of hysterics ... of well, best not go there.

Are you and zaac joined at the hip Crabtownboy or you channelling each other?

 

[Crabtownboy]

Are you and zaac joined at the hip Crabtownboy or you channelling each other?

Nope.

Patriotism has it place, but it should be kept in its place and not mixed up Christ. It only waters down the message of Christ, indeed, it rejects much if not all that Christ preached. Do you agree?

 

[ashleysdad]

Nope.

Patriotism has it place, but it should be kept in its place and not mixed up Christ. It only waters down the message of Christ, indeed, it rejects much if not all that Christ preached. Do you agree?

No! I do not agree that patriotism rejects Christs message! That is just silly to say! If a Christian puts love of country above love of God that is idolatry NOT patriotism! True patriotism is love of country in the proper prospective. Even some of the Founding Fathers believed that. True patriotism is NOT a belief that "we can do no wrong". It is a love of country that tries to fix what is wrong to make the country better. Along those lines, the first thing that needs to happen is to replace Obama with a REAL leader in the Whitehouse that will work to undo all the mistakes that Obama put in place. Don't you agree?

 

[OldRegular]

Nope.

Perhaps!

Patriotism has it place, but it should be kept in its place and not mixed up Christ.

I believe a Christian should be patriotic. Jesus Christ said: Mark 12:17. And Jesus answering said unto them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s. And they marvelled at him.

I noted earlier in a response to you that I do not believe it is appropriate for the American Flag, for that matter any banner, to be in the Church worship center.

It only waters down the message of Christ, indeed, it rejects much if not all that Christ preached. Do you agree?

Any connection of Church and state is wrong. It was the Baptists who fought against state supported Churches when the Constitution was written. The history of the Church has shown the danger to the message of the Gospel when the Church and state are colluding in any way. Of course the worst case in history is the Holy Roman Empire. Schaff says of the beginning of this union [Volume 2, page 73]: With Constantine, therefore, the last of the heathen, the first of the Christian, emperors, a new period begins. The church ascends the throne of the Caesars under the banner of the once despised, now honored and triumphant cross, and gives new vigor and lustre to the hoary empire of Rome.

But it is not just the Roman Church. The one that comes to mind is the Church of England and I suspect there are many more in history, certainly the Orthodox Church and Czarist Russia.

I have said on many occasions that I favor this country's support of Israel because they are the only democracy in the middle east. However, I wonder if some of that support is the result of the dispensational doctrine regarding Israel. I would bet that some on this Forum believe that Israel/Jews are still the chosen people of God!

 

[Zaac]

The rantings of zaac take on a hysterical note. If this the way he is commissioned to preach the Gospel as he claims then we are all in trouble!

Gosh they said Jesus was possessed by a demon and insane so I'm fine if you think my "rantings" take on a hysterical note.

Yours take on an idolatrous note. But you're just blowing smoke now and you still haven't shown where I said that Jesus didn't come to condemn sin.

But then again, you think the purpose of the Gospel is to condemn the lost. SMH.

 

[Crabtownboy]

No! I do not agree that patriotism rejects Christs message! That is just silly to say! If a Christian puts love of country above love of God that is idolatry NOT patriotism! True patriotism is love of country in the proper prospective. Even some of the Founding Fathers believed that. True patriotism is NOT a belief that "we can do no wrong". It is a love of country that tries to fix what is wrong to make the country better. Along those lines, the first thing that needs to happen is to replace Obama with a REAL leader in the Whitehouse that will work to undo all the mistakes that Obama put in place. Don't you agree?

I didn't say patriotism alone, but when patriotism mixed with religion as with the religious right.

 

[OldRegular]

But then again, you think the purpose of the Gospel is to condemn the lost. SMH.

What makes a person understand he is lost and in need of Salvation?

John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

 

[Zaac]

What makes a person understand he is lost and in need of Salvation?

John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

Love.:thumbsup: You got any left to share with the lost while you're condemning them?