Should Christians strongly support the SECOND AMENDMENT?

[RLBosley]

Peter cut the ear off a guy.

And was rebuked.

Also I have a hard time believing that the older, more Christlike Peter who wrote his epistles, specifically 1 Peter 2:13-14, would have encouraged believers to go around cutting people's ears off.

 

[HAMel]

Also I have a hard time believing that the older, more Christlike Peter who wrote his epistles,...specifically 1 Peter 2:13-14, would have encouraged believers to go around cutting people's ears off.

RLBosley..., personally, I commend Peter for his action(s) in this matter. He felt it necessary to aide his Lord and did so. Needless to say, Jesus was destined to the Cross. It would appear to me that Peter was rebuked by the very act of Jesus restoring the ear. There is more here than what just appears on the surface.

Doesn't any preacher worth his salt lob off the ears of non-believers every time they preach the Word?

...all of the above under the assumption I'm understand your post correctly.

 

[RLBosley]

Also I have a hard time believing that the older, more Christlike Peter who wrote his epistles,...specifically 1 Peter 2:13-14, would have encouraged believers to go around cutting people's ears off.

RLBosley..., personally, I commend Peter for his action(s) in this matter. He felt it necessary to aide his Lord and did so. Needless to say, Jesus was destined to the Cross. It would appear to me that Peter was rebuked by the very act of Jesus restoring the ear. There is more here than what just appears on the surface.

Doesn't any preacher worth his salt lob off the ears of non-believers every time they preach the Word?

...all of the above under the assumption I'm understand your post correctly.

I'm not sure what you mean by this: "It would appear to me that Peter was rebuked by the very act of Jesus restoring the ear. There is more here than what just appears on the surface."

As for your figurative use of a preacher lopping off the ears of non-believers through preaching, I suppose you could put it that way if you want. As you said, any good, worth-while preacher would do that.

However I'm talking about the actual cutting off of someones body part with an actual weapon, which Peter did in the garden. How can you commend him for it when Jesus rebuked him? Also, from what we read in the gospels, Acts, and his epistles, he never again used a sword. Instead he taught that the believers were to submit to the governing authorities and even honor the emperor. Clearly by the time he wrote his epistle he was not OK with Christians taking swords to their enemies, even those violently persecuting them.

 

[HAMel]

How can you commend him for it when Jesus rebuked him?
Simply because he was in "human form" and acted out accordingly.

Instead he taught that the believers were to submit to the governing authorities and even honor the emperor.
...which is what a civilized people do..., or should do..., within reason of course.

Clearly by the time he wrote his epistle he was not OK with Christians taking swords to their enemies, even those violently persecuting them.
Over my past 69 years I'm sure that somewhere along the line I have made some enemies for which I've never harmed. However, should they come through my door at 1:30 in the morning there is going to be armed resistance.

Otherwise, it is not my intent to beleaguer nor argue with you over this incident in the Garden. I'm sure that perhaps one day in the near future we can ask Peter for the specifics.

 

[ROBERTGUWAPO]

How did the apostles view fighting against the Roman Emperor?

Hehe, you answer my question first before I answer yours. Is it a sin for a German Jew to fight against Hitler to avoid the gas ovens? Is it a sin for a Syrian to fight ISIS? :laugh:

 

[RLBosley]

Hehe, you answer my question first before I answer yours. Is it a sin for a German Jew to fight against Hitler to avoid the gas ovens? Is it a sin for a Syrian to fight ISIS? :laugh:

I'm not sure why you find this so funny. This is a rather important topic.

Rom 13:1-2 NASB - Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God. Therefore whoever resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves.​

And again, by resist I mean with violence. Paul (and the other apostles) was clearly OK with ignoring laws that prohibited preaching the gospel or similar things, however he still submitted to the consequences when he broke the governments laws.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I'm not sure why you find this so funny. This is a rather important topic.

Rom 13:1-2 NASB - Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God. Therefore whoever resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves.​

And again, by resist I mean with violence. Paul (and the other apostles) was clearly OK with ignoring laws that prohibited preaching the gospel or similar things, however he still submitted to the consequences when he broke the governments laws.

Yes & it got him killed.....lots of other Christians too.

 

[RLBosley]

Yes & it got him killed.....lots of other Christians too.

Yes it did.

Where they wrong to die as they did?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Yes it did.

Where they wrong to die as they did?

Oh Im not the judge of that.

 

[RLBosley]

Oh Im not the judge of that.

OK. Your response earlier seemed to indicate you thought they were wrong, or at least unwise.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

OK. Your response earlier seemed to indicate you thought they were wrong, or at least unwise.

But did you answer the guys question directly? Again, Is it a sin for a German Jew to fight against Hitler to avoid the gas ovens? Is it a sin for a Syrian to fight ISIS?

 

[RLBosley]

But did you answer the guys question directly? Again, Is it a sin for a German Jew to fight against Hitler to avoid the gas ovens? Is it a sin for a Syrian to fight ISIS?

I think I did. The verses quoted are pretty clear to me.

"...whoever resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves."

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I think I did. The verses quoted are pretty clear to me.

"...whoever resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves."

So you believe the founders of this country (USA) to be condemned men?

 

[RLBosley]

So you believe the founders of this country (USA) to be condemned men?

Condemned in the eternal sense? Some were probably since they were not all Christians.

But were their actions wrong and to be condemned? Rom 13:2 is pretty clear. They were wrong and sinned in their rebellion.

 

[HAMel]

So you believe the founders of this country (USA) to be condemned men?

E,W&F..., right on!!!

Don't we just have a unique way of beating dead horses to death after they have already died? Goodness.

This certainly isn't an attempt at "putting anyone down" but common sense has to apply..., eventually. Given the right circumstances none of us know how we're going to respond in an emergency situation.

Should you discover your front door being kicked in at zero-dark-thirty in the morning requires an immediate response. Answers to the obvious questions will come after the smoke clears and we all have the God given right to defend ourselves.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Condemned in the eternal sense? Some were probably since they were not all Christians.

But were their actions wrong and to be condemned? Rom 13:2 is pretty clear. They were wrong and sinned in their rebellion.

OK.... How bout this one:


Luke 10:19King James Version (KJV)

19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.

 

[RLBosley]

OK.... How bout this one:


Luke 10:19King James Version (KJV)

19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.

What about it?

That verse has as much to do with violence and rebellion against government as Psalm 38:7

For my loins are filled with a loathsome disease:
and there is no soundness in my flesh.​

 

[gigabyte71]

What part of Matthew 5:39 and the first half of Romans 13 makes anybody think that we should resist the government?

Where did I say anything about it? I just stated the fact of what the 2nd is about.

Does the 1st guarantee you the right to preach anywhere you want?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

What about it?

That verse has as much to do with violence and rebellion against government as Psalm 38:7

For my loins are filled with a loathsome disease:
and there is no soundness in my flesh.​

Let me ask you....did you ever serve in the military? And don't get defensive on me....i know you have your convictions.

 

[RLBosley]

Let me ask you....did you ever serve in the military? And don't get defensive on me....i know you have your convictions.

Yes, I did.

And I'm really not defensive. I am just honestly perplexed at your bringing up Luke 10:19.