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Should Christians strongly support the SECOND AMENDMENT?

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gigabyte71

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This is my first post here, just found the board recently and have been reading through this thread.

My response isn't really directed at the OP question, but rather the misunderstanding of what the 2nd is all about. I keep seeing all these responses about self defense, but that is no different than those that claim it is about hunting. The 2nd is about keeping the government at bay, not self defense or hunting.

The Framers of the Constitution did not initially include any bill of rights, which is why it is an amendment. If you read the writings on the debates around the Constitution, you would see that they really didn't think these rights would ever be questioned.
 
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gigabyte71 said:
This is my first post here, just found the board recently and have been reading through this thread.

My response isn't really directed at the OP question, but rather the misunderstanding of what the 2nd is all about. I keep seeing all these responses about self defense, but that is no different than those that claim it is about hunting. The 2nd is about keeping the government at bay, not self defense or hunting.

The Framers of the Constitution did not initially include any bill of rights, which is why it is an amendment. If you read the writings on the debates around the Constitution, you would see that they really didn't think these rights would ever be questioned.
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What part of Matthew 5:39 and the first half of Romans 13 makes anybody think that we should resist the government?
 
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gigabyte71 said:
This is my first post here, just found the board recently and have been reading through this thread.

My response isn't really directed at the OP question, but rather the misunderstanding of what the 2nd is all about. I keep seeing all these responses about self defense, but that is no different than those that claim it is about hunting. The 2nd is about keeping the government at bay, not self defense or hunting.

The Framers of the Constitution did not initially include any bill of rights, which is why it is an amendment. If you read the writings on the debates around the Constitution, you would see that they really didn't think these rights would ever be questioned.
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B I N G O ! ! !

And that is the precise reason the left wants to disarm America - much easier to cram all their bovine excrement down the throat of one who CANNOT defend ones self. (Just ask any dictator)

And welcome to the board!!! :1_grouphug:
 
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gigabyte71 said:
This is my first post here, just found the board recently and have been reading through this thread.

My response isn't really directed at the OP question, but rather the misunderstanding of what the 2nd is all about. I keep seeing all these responses about self defense, but that is no different than those that claim it is about hunting. The 2nd is about keeping the government at bay, not self defense or hunting.

The Framers of the Constitution did not initially include any bill of rights, which is why it is an amendment. If you read the writings on the debates around the Constitution, you would see that they really didn't think these rights would ever be questioned.
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Excellent first post. :thumbs:

(And welcome!)
 
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Rolf said:
Excellent first post. :thumbs:

(And welcome!)
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Just as assigning Judges to courts whether small of great, the Declaration of Independence and Constitution, assumed they would judge in righteousness.

The amendments show they were wrong in the assumption.
 
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The 2nd is about keeping the government at bay, not self defense or hunting.

...in my mind the 2nd Amendment is all about having the right to own weapons for hunting, self-defense, keeping the government at bay which would almost be an impossibility these days but also, for those who come crashing in your door at midnight. These folks deserve what they might get by an armed home owner.
 
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corndogggy said:
What part of Matthew 5:39 and the first half of Romans 13 makes anybody think that we should resist the government?
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The government is held accountable to the constitution. Our consitution says that should our government try to move beyond the peramerters of the constittion that we should set it aside and restore our Republic. Therefore since the law of the land is such then we are in fact following the biblical mandate to honor our government.
 
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gigabyte71

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HAMel said:
The 2nd is about keeping the government at bay, not self defense or hunting.

...in my mind the 2nd Amendment is all about having the right to own weapons for hunting, self-defense, keeping the government at bay which would almost be an impossibility these days but also, for those who come crashing in your door at midnight. These folks deserve what they might get by an armed home owner.
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Don't take this as an insult, it isn't meant that way. But, it doesn't matter what you believe in your mind is about. I was simply stating what it is actually and factually about. It even says in the text of the 2nd why it is there.
 
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corndogggy said:
What part of Matthew 5:39 and the first half of Romans 13 makes anybody think that we should resist the government?
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Or Titus 3

Tit 3:1-2 NASB - Remind them to be subject to rulers, to authorities, to be obedient, to be ready for every good deed, to malign no one, to be peaceable, gentle, showing every consideration for all men.​

or 1 Peter 2

1Pe 2:13-14 NASB - Submit yourselves for the Lord's sake to every human institution, whether to a king as the one in authority, or to governors as sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and the praise of those who do right.​

I'm sure I'm missing others as well.

Though I think it would be more correct to say "rebel" instead of "resist."
 
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ROBERTGUWAPO

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RLBosley said:
Or Titus 3
Tit 3:1-2 NASB - Remind them to be subject to rulers, to authorities, to be obedient, to be ready for every good deed, to malign no one, to be peaceable, gentle, showing every consideration for all men.​
or 1 Peter 2
1Pe 2:13-14 NASB - Submit yourselves for the Lord's sake to every human institution, whether to a king as the one in authority, or to governors as sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and the praise of those who do right.​
I'm sure I'm missing others as well.

Though I think it would be more correct to say "rebel" instead of "resist."
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Have you forgotten the "as sent by him for the punishment of evildoers"? So, is it a sin to resist an Adolf Hitler? Or is it a sin to resist ISIS? :smilewinkgrin:
 
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ROBERTGUWAPO

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Ask the citizens of Warsaw, Poland who lived there during the dreaded Nazi Germany invasion who had no "Second Amendment" to live by

During their "uprising" against Nazi aggression they scrounged around for any sort of handgun/weapon they could get their hands on----learned how to make homemade bombs/grenades/Montolov Cocktails---and on occasion were able to overtake a panzer crew and added a Mark IV to their limited arsenal-----but how long were they able to "hold out" against the German Army w/o air support or any sort of artillery piece for fire support----2 months, I think!!??
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Well, I'll lend you a time machine, for you to go back to the Battle of Valley Forge, to ask Washington's men, "Will you guys be able to hold out against superior British forces and firepower?" :tonofbricks:
 
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Should Christians strongly support the SECOND AMENDMENT?

Yes. It is my right.
 
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