Should some beats be avoided?

[tinytim]

I understand that all songs are metered according to beats, but when the song has the jungle beat or the sensual, where you may want to start snapping your fingers, it is an appeal to the flesh and simply is not for worship of the Lord.

Finally, someone has given something that is a sign that ungodly worship is occuring...
I have asked this before when does music cross the line from worship to entertainment...

Thank you BGTF... although I don't agree with you, you have at least given us a physical benchmark upon which you understand music to cross that line....

Just for the record, my son plays drums.. are you saying he is not a Christian?

 

[chuck2336]

Hi, I just dropped by to check on the dead horse, yep he is all tore up from the beating.

Really, there is nothing in the world today worth an honest and for true discussion?

I am not sure if this is more funny or just plain sad.

 

[tinytim]

What's sad is someone equating someone elses spirituality with the type of Christian music they listen too..

To go as far as to say that a church that has drums has no Christians is insane, and offensive to Christ!

But that is the way the Anti-CCM crowd plays...

It shows their true colors, and shows that their belief is divisive, and straight from the pits of Hell! It divides Christians based upon unbiblical rules and regs, and builds up personal pride. (ie. "I must be a Christian.. I only listen to hymns"... or "I am a better Christian than that CCM listener")

The more the Anti-CCM crowd posts, the more you see they don't have love in their hearts.

So keep it up people... your unloving posts are being watched by the world...

And God says that the world can tell you are his by the way you show love...

So keep it up... I think I saw that horse raise it's head...

 

[Aaron]

I didn't say that "razzmatazz" isn't a word or a description. I'm saying that, as a genre of music, you made it up.

Fairytale.

 

[Aaron]

If Ps. 150 is the list of acceptable instruments in worship, then you better remove the organ and piano

You won't find me arguing for a piano or an organ in the church.

Psalm 150 is not a command to the church any more than the Law of Sacrifice in Leviticus. The spiritual aspects, however, still apply.

 

[Aaron]

What's sad is someone equating someone elses spirituality with the type of Christian music they listen too..

You don't think the demeanor of their worship is directly linked to the depth of their spirituality?

 

[Sopranette]

Once again, I am not talking about musical instruments, and people who play the drums are not "bad" Christians.
What's sad to see is the language of older hymns slipping away. Just the other week, we did a song that is maybe 600 years old. I sang it often growing up, and it's been about that long since I sang it last, but it still came through clear as day in my memory. However, besides the choir, I could count only a handful of others who knew it, besides myself, in a congregation of hundreds. That means, in just my lifetime alone, songs are being forever lost in time. It's a constant scamble against time to commit these songs to memory before they are gone for good.

love,

Sopranette

 

[Mike McK]

...and speaking of rocksteady, which was the basis for reggae, for a good example of rocksteady (because that term is unfamiliar to most in the US), check out a great Kingston group call the Gaylads.

Nothing Rasta or sinful about them. Just good music.

 

[tinytim]

Once again, I am not talking about musical instruments, and people who play the drums are not "bad" Christians.
What's sad to see is the language of older hymns slipping away. Just the other week, we did a song that is maybe 600 years old. I sang it often growing up, and it's been about that long since I sang it last, but it still came through clear as day in my memory. However, besides the choir, I could count only a handful of others who knew it, besides myself, in a congregation of hundreds. That means, in just my lifetime alone, songs are being forever lost in time. It's a constant scamble against time to commit these songs to memory before they are gone for good.

love,

Sopranette

With that I say a hearty "AMEN"

 

[annsni]

:laugh:

I can't believe you just wrote that, Ann.

:laugh:

What? Who?? ME???

By the way, I'm covering my horses ears singing "La,La,La" for him so he doesn't hear about the horse here. He's quite sympathetic.

 

[Gwyneth]

Originally Posted by Sopranette
Once again, I am not talking about musical instruments, and people who play the drums are not "bad" Christians.
What's sad to see is the language of older hymns slipping away. Just the other week, we did a song that is maybe 600 years old. I sang it often growing up, and it's been about that long since I sang it last, but it still came through clear as day in my memory. However, besides the choir, I could count only a handful of others who knew it, besides myself, in a congregation of hundreds. That means, in just my lifetime alone, songs are being forever lost in time. It's a constant scamble against time to commit these songs to memory before they are gone for good.

love,

Sopranette

With that I say a hearty "AMEN"__________________
I will second that :thumbs:

Gwyneth

 

[SaggyWoman]

Oh - and neither one of us are being enticed to have sex right now. Just to make it clear. LOL!

:laugh: :laugh:

Uh, ........ hehehehehehe. If I had a man working on my bathroom......:thumbs:

 

[abcgrad94]

What's sad is someone equating someone elses spirituality with the type of Christian music they listen too..

To go as far as to say that a church that has drums has no Christians is insane, and offensive to Christ!

But that is the way the Anti-CCM crowd plays...

It shows their true colors, and shows that their belief is divisive, and straight from the pits of Hell! It divides Christians based upon unbiblical rules and regs, and builds up personal pride. (ie. "I must be a Christian.. I only listen to hymns"... or "I am a better Christian than that CCM listener")

The more the Anti-CCM crowd posts, the more you see they don't have love in their hearts.

So keep it up people... your unloving posts are being watched by the world...

And God says that the world can tell you are his by the way you show love...

So keep it up... I think I saw that horse raise it's head...

Hey now, I don't like most CCM but please don't paint me with that broad of a brush. My personal taste in music is more classical, but that's just my OPINION. My husband loves southern gospel. I can't stand it, but as long as ANY particular type of music honors Christ, who am I to judge? If CCM draws my friends closer to God, it's not my job to condemn just because our taste is different. They aren't forcing me to like it or listen to it or attend a church that promotes it.

I equate the music debate with the modesty/pants debate. Let the Holy Spirit guide you, not someone else's personal preference.

 

[Joe]

:laugh: :laugh:

Uh, ........ hehehehehehe. If I had a man working on my bathroom......:thumbs:

By the time you get a man working on your bathroom, your plumbing won't be working

 

[SaggyWoman]

Hey now, I don't like most CCM but please don't paint me with that broad of a brush. My personal taste in music is more classical, but that's just my OPINION. My husband loves southern gospel. I can't stand it, but as long as ANY particular type of music honors Christ, who am I to judge? If CCM draws my friends closer to God, it's not my job to condemn just because our taste is different. They aren't forcing me to like it or listen to it or attend a church that promotes it.

I equate the music debate with the modesty/pants debate. Let the Holy Spirit guide you, not someone else's personal preference.

Actually, I LOVE Beethoven's ODE TO JOY. It is like 20 minutes of pure joy. But most classical, ack.

 

[abcgrad94]

Once again, I am not talking about musical instruments, and people who play the drums are not "bad" Christians.
What's sad to see is the language of older hymns slipping away. Just the other week, we did a song that is maybe 600 years old. I sang it often growing up, and it's been about that long since I sang it last, but it still came through clear as day in my memory. However, besides the choir, I could count only a handful of others who knew it, besides myself, in a congregation of hundreds. That means, in just my lifetime alone, songs are being forever lost in time. It's a constant scamble against time to commit these songs to memory before they are gone for good.

love,

Sopranette

I completely agree. So many of our beautiful hymns are slipping away. I cannot count the times when God has brought an old hymn to my mind and it encouraged me more than anything. Most people don't even know the Star Spangled Banner has more than one verse, much less the powerful words in the other stanzas.

 

[tinytim]

Hey now, I don't like most CCM but please don't paint me with that broad of a brush. My personal taste in music is more classical, but that's just my OPINION. My husband loves southern gospel. I can't stand it, but as long as ANY particular type of music honors Christ, who am I to judge? If CCM draws my friends closer to God, it's not my job to condemn just because our taste is different. They aren't forcing me to like it or listen to it or attend a church that promotes it.

I equate the music debate with the modesty/pants debate. Let the Holy Spirit guide you, not someone else's personal preference.

That's not being part of the anti-CCM crowd I was talking about...
The Anti-CCM crowd around here says that CCM cannot honor Christ...
And they equate their opinion with Scripture... you said the "O" word... opinion...which is really what it boils down too...

Actually your post will put you on the opposite side of the anti-CCM crowd...

Maybe I misnamed them...

I think you made great sense....
What say you Soprannette, or Aaron or BGTF...
Is this what you all are saying? Or does she sound more like me?

 

[Aaron]

And this is all because I made up the word? [referemce to profanity deleted]

_____________________________________________________________________________

Aaron, the inference's to profanity, which everyone here could detect are not necessary. If you cannot post with civility, showing grace to others, then please--just refrain from posting.
DHK

But "Darn I'm Good!" just don't get the feelin' right. :type:

 

[tinytim]

Fascinating....

 

[rbell]

The Bible tells us to make melody to the Lord, not pound drums for the heathen, which is what I mean about beat. I understand that all songs are metered according to beats, but when the song has the jungle beat or the sensual, where you may want to start snapping your fingers, it is an appeal to the flesh and simply is not for worship of the Lord. Drums are meant for the animal nature and hinder the spiritual nature, whereas a proper melody offers no hindrance and frees the spirit of the believer to properly worship the Lord.

First, this is a mis-interpretation of Ephesians. Second, we've started lapsing into Pythagorean philosophy again. Third, you have absolutely no Scriptural support for your positions.

A church will either have Christians in it or drums in it, if you bring in the Christians the drums will leave; and if you bring in the drums the Christians will leave, being scattered by the Lord. It is a repeatable process that I have watched happen several times, with no church turning back yet; I hope you may be the first.


BGTF

1. What gives you the right to question my salvation? Shame on you.
2. Patently untrue. We have a traditional service and a contemporary service at my church. To date this year:
   1. CONTEMPORARY SERVICE: 36 Professions of faith, 62 other additions.
   2. TRADITIONAL SERVICE: 25 Professions of faith, 64 other additions.

And, since our CS is slightly larger, the numbers extrapolate almost identically.

So go ahead, "man up," and tell the whole BB right here and now that God is not working in my church. Are you really willing to do something like that??????????