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Some Liberty University Grads Are Returning Their Diplomas To Protest Trump
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I have posted to the other political forums essentially what I am saying here. I am praying for God to bless all of you with civility. I can no longer debate because I was very hostile to others. Please accept my humblest apologies. I will debate on scriptural topics but no longer on politics.
The fact remains that Liberty University did not endorse Donald Trump.
Some believe that Falwell lost the right to endorse a candidate personally because he is the president of a university. I am not sure if this is correct, and if it is I am not certain that I agree with that line of thinking. Others believe that having invited President Trump for their commencement speech that this constituted an endorsement of the Trump Administration's policies. I hope that the university supports President Trump as President (it is a Christian university and seminary, after all), but I don't see how this is an endorsement of his policies. In the past the university has invited non-Christians and liberal democrats to speak (e.g., Ted Kennedy, Mitt Romney, Glenn Beck).
The problem is that so many want to hide their heads in the sand and pretend there are no other opinions but their own. A university is a learning institution. They should encourage students to listen and evaluate what is said, not put their fingers in their ears, run to mommy, and return their diplomas while keeping their degrees.
Much learning can be done without inviting a heretic to speak.
Leftists aren't interested in facts.
You may have a point to be considered if you were speaking about Liberty Seminary bringing in heretics to speak in an instructive manner to its students. But this was not the case. You are complaining about a university having people who have had an impact on our nation (Ted Kennedy and President Trump, for example) speak to the university students.
You want a university that would shelter students from views that it may not endorse. I want a university that intentionally exposes students to views and opinions that shape the world in which they live. The difference is indoctrination vs the development of critical thinking skills. Again, we are not talking about seminary but about the university as a whole (students studying political science, pre-law, teaching, ect).
We have a very different idea about what it means to be educated. Critical thinking is a must, and it is never developed in a vacuum.
I am saying that Trump claims to be a Christian and yet says he does not need God's forgiveness. He is not a person we want to lift up as a model for the church. Instead, we use church discipline and require repentance before fellowship.
This is not a case of differing intellectual iseas. This is a case of inviting a heretic to speak as though he were a Christian.
“I know we begin with certain disagreements,” Ted Kennedy said. “And I strongly suspect that by the end of this evening our disagreements will remain. But I also hope that tonight, and in the months and years ahead, we will always respect the right of others to differ, that we will never lose sight of our own fallibility, and that we will view ourselves with a sense of perspective and a sense of humor.” - Ted Kennedy speaking at Liberty U,
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Well, he does not fully understand the true meaning of being a Christian.
Remember, Jimmy Carter clamied to be a born-again Christian - (which I believe he is) but politically.......
For politics - I will take Trump any day of the week over Clinton.
I couldn't vote for the Oompa Loompa or for the Hildabeast. It was, for me, like choosing between Ahab and Jezebel.
I HAVE NO IDEAL TO WHOM YOU ARE REFERRING!!!!!!!
NO IT IS NOT!!!
You have confused a university with a church. President Trump, Ted Kennedy, Glenn Beck....these guys were not invited to speak to a church because they were Christians. They were invited to speak to a university because of their role in the world.
I agree that none of the three would be invited to fill a pulpit. But we are not talking about a church. We are not even talking about the seminary. We are talking about a university inviting the President of the United States of America to speak. It would be foolish to deny his relevance in that context to speak at Liberty University.
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Really? How about you guess, based upon the two major political party candidates in the last election.
Do I need to hold your hand for assistance? [emoji41]
Since you do have a lack of respect - I will put it very simple.
I WILL NOT RESPOND TO POSTS WHERE DISRESPECT IS SHOW - REGARDLESS OF WHOM THE SUBJECT IS.
It's a parachurch. Would you support Samaritans Purse inviting a Jehovah's Witness to lead a workshop?
LOL, I expect you will not respond to many of my posts regarding politics and our fearless leader. [emoji41]
The seminary, and depending on the context, perhaps. But you are speaking of the university and suggesting an adequate education can be obtained in a vacuum.
Even if we were speaking of the seminary, they too need exposure to the ideas they will face in the ministry. But here you are dealing with the university. Should ones faith or ones qualifications be the basis when you have a nursing program? Should political science majors be exposed only to conservative ideas? What about the law school?
What you are suggesting is indoctrination, not education.
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Based on all the news about the current Institutions of Higher Learning lately, safe spaces etc., it pears that the highlighted above is already the norm!