Son of JOHN 3:16 :)

[Reformed1689]

you still rebel against the Teachings of the Holy Bible!

No, I just don't go along with false understandings of it.

 

[SavedByGrace]

No, I just don't go along with false understandings of it.

that is because you are looking at the Bible through your personal theology!

 

[SavedByGrace]

So far from undoing Calvinism, John 3:16 confirms it.

you just don't know what you are talking about! This verse shows beyond any doubt, that the "world" that God SO LOVES, is the entire human race. It is only those who out of this "world", who believe in Jesus Christ, that will be saved. The fact that God SO LOVES every human being, also shows that He desires their salvation, and has made sure that Jesus Christ also died for their sins, as is clear from the fact that Jesus shed His blood for Judas, which is seen in Luke 22!

 

[SavedByGrace]

For Whom Did Christ Die?... John Owen

The Father imposed His wrath due unto, and the Son underwent punishment for, either:

All the sins of all men.
All the sins of some men, or
Some of the sins of all men.

In which case it may be said:

That if the last be true, all men have some sins to answer for, and so, none are saved.
That if the second be true, then Christ, in their stead suffered for all the sins of all the elect in the whole world, and this is the truth.
But if the first be the case, why are not all men free from the punishment due unto their sins?

You answer, “Because of unbelief.”

I ask, Is this unbelief a sin, or is it not? If it be, then Christ suffered the punishment due unto it, or He did not. If He did, why must that hinder them more than their other sins for which He died? If He did not, He did not die for all their sins!”... Brother Glen

John Owen was a Calvinist, whose reasoning is as per their "theology", and far removed from the clear teachings of the Holy Bible!

 

[Reformed1689]

that is because you are looking at the Bible through your personal theology!

You realize that is a two-way street right? I could say the same thing for you. And no, I am actually using grammar and context.

 

[Reformed1689]

you just don't know what you are talking about! This verse shows beyond any doubt, that the "world" that God SO LOVES, is the entire human race. It is only those who out of this "world", who believe in Jesus Christ, that will be saved. The fact that God SO LOVES every human being, also shows that He desires their salvation, and has made sure that Jesus Christ also died for their sins, as is clear from the fact that Jesus shed His blood for Judas, which is seen in Luke 22!

Yeah It doesn't say that.

 

[SavedByGrace]

You realize that is a two-way street right? I could say the same thing for you. And no, I am actually using grammar and context.

Show how the Greek grammar supports your view

 

[Reformed1689]

Show how the Greek grammar supports your view

I, as well as multiple other members, have done so numerous times. Again, you are forcing John 3:16 to address an issue it does not actually address.

 

[SavedByGrace]

I, as well as multiple other members, have done so numerous times. Again, you are forcing John 3:16 to address an issue it does not actually address.

Says you!

 

[Reformed1689]

Says you!

Yes, and says the grammar, and context of the whole book of John.

Here's the thing. It says "God so loved the world" It does not say "God so loved every individual." You conveniently insist world must mean every individual because it means the human race. Yet, in Genesis, you admit God saved the human race with Noah's family but that did not mean every individual. You have a double standard.

 

[SavedByGrace]

Yes, and says the grammar, and context of the whole book of John.

Here's the thing. It says "God so loved the world" It does not say "God so loved every individual." You conveniently insist world must mean every individual because it means the human race. Yet, in Genesis, you admit God saved the human race with Noah's family but that did not mean every individual. You have a double standard.

Does it say in Genesis that God saved the world? You will find that He actually destroyed it

 

[Reformed1689]

Does it say in Genesis that God saved the world? You will find that He actually destroyed it

I said Human Race. That, after all, is your argument that world means human race in John 3:16. Stop trying to move the goalposts.

 

[SavedByGrace]

Yes, and says the grammar, and context of the whole book of John.

Here's the thing. It says "God so loved the world" It does not say "God so loved every individual." You conveniently insist world must mean every individual because it means the human race. Yet, in Genesis, you admit God saved the human race with Noah's family but that did not mean every individual. You have a double standard.

Here is one for your Greek. Did you know that the grammar of "Whoever believes" shows that some of the "Whoever" will not continue to believe and will be lost? How does this suit your theology

 

[Reformed1689]

Here is one for your Greek. Did you know that the grammar of "Whoever believes" shows that some of the "Whoever" will not continue to believe and will be lost? How does this suit your theology

Yeah you are going to have to do more than just make the claim....

 

[SavedByGrace]

I said Human Race. That, after all, is your argument that world means human race in John 3:16. Stop trying to move the goalposts.

You claim to know Greek. Then you should know that every use of a word does not mean the same in every case. Like theos does not always mean the One True God of the Bible

 

[SavedByGrace]

Yeah you are going to have to do more than just make the claim....

You should know this if you know Greek grammar

 

[Reformed1689]

You claim to know Greek. Then you should know that every use of a word does not mean the same in every case. Like theos does not always mean the One True God of the Bible

Red Herring. I have said that from the start and you have not addressed the issue I raised. Here, let me post it again: I said Human Race. That, after all, is your argument that world means human race in John 3:16. Stop trying to move the goalposts.

 

[Reformed1689]

You should know this if you know Greek grammar

You are making the claim, Burden of Proof is on you.

 

[SavedByGrace]

You are making the claim, Burden of Proof is on you.

Typical response when you don't really know what you claim to

 

[Reformed1689]

Typical response when you don't really know what you claim to

Apparently you don't know how debate works. You are making the claim, therefore it is up to you to show the proof. Burden of proof is on you. Now, if you don't have anything you will keep up nonsense posts like this one.