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Excellent post, David. Clearly Adam could not have received the wages of sin before he sinned. Nor did he need to be saved before he sinned. I think Genesis 2:25 is helpful if one considers it theologically. The first couple were naked - they had no covering - but it wasn't a problem for them until such time that they sinned (Genesis 3:7). So they had no covering for sin - there was no arrangement to cover sin - but it didn't matter because there was no sin...........until suddenly there was. And the covering they made for themselves was entirely insufficient to cover their sin, so it was God Himself who provided the covering for Adam and Eve (Genesis 3:21) and for that to happen, an innocent creature had to die, prefiguring the Lamb of God who would take away the sin of the world.
Adam was unique. It is inappropriate to speak of him as 'regenerate' or 'born again' for obvious reasons, but he must, pre-fall, have possessed spiritual life. Spiritual death is outlined in Ephesians 2:1-3, and part of that condition is to be under the wrath of God. Pre-fall, Adam was not under the wrath of God. He was placed in a delightful garden, given all manner of food to eat, given dominion over the earth and permitted to give names to all the animals. He was doing 'good works which God prepared beforehand' which is part of the definition of spiritual life. Genesis 3:8a certainly suggests that God was accustomed to walk in the garden and to have fellowship with the couple. That again is an element of spiritual life (John 14:23).

 

Adam's state was in many ways unique to him!

 

1. I believe adam had a unique version of spiritual life before he fell!

 

I believe thatAdam was created already having a type of spiritual life, as was in relationship with his creator, which was good until he fell, and OT saints and us now in NC will have same glorification, just we experience the fullness in Christ that they longer for back then to receive!

 

They will share in our glorification status at second coming, but did not experience the Holy spirit as we do now under the NC.

 

Actually it does define death as the absence of a relationship with God, a separation, if you look at the underlying Greek. See BDAG entry on the word.

 

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That is the Second Death, eternal separation from God!

 

I think that it can and does mean both!

 

Adam was in a covenant relationship with God before the Fall, did he need Jesus as His Messiah at that point in time?

 

For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope; because the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. Romans 8:20,21


What was/is the futility, vanity in KJV same word as in LXX of Ecc 1:2,3 Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is vanity. What profit hath a man of all his labour which he taketh under the sun?

What is the hope spoken thereof?

Was the creation subjected to the bondage of corruption or is the bondage of corruption different from futility/vanity?

Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you, 1 Peter 1:18-20

Does law effect/affect redemption?
Gal 4:4,5 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
Redeem from futility, bondage of corruption?

For we know that the law (Thou shall not eat of it) is spiritual, but I am of the flesh, sold under sin. Rom 7:14 ESV

What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him? For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour. Psalms 8:4,5

Gen 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

Why, Why. Why?

Because the following took place before and continued after the foundation of the world and the creation of Adam 1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

The Word would become flesh through Adam who would sin and then be redeemed for adoption as a son of God thus destroying the works of the devil before and after the foundation of the world and the devil himself.

Man of the flesh, law, sin, death the man of disobedience, the sinless man of obedience and resurrection from the dead would all be necessary for the destruction of the devil and his works.

Acts 15:18 Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.

IMHO

 

Did you look up the BDAG entry?