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Sticks & Stones - Do You Stone The Sabbath Breaker? (Num 15:32-36)
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Alofa Atu
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Which goes to show, he isn't what he claims to be, in your very own sentence shows this (being contradictory), since he is pro-Catholicism Andrew, and misrepresents the actual position, as already shown you -
Back to OP topic please. Thank you.
Once more the word of God is violated by those who destroy life but keep the letter.
Alofa Atu
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We told you in advance, so that you may know that what we say is truth, and love - Religious Liberty is about to be seriously undermined by the 'religious'
Adventists doctors at Adventists Hospitals hacking up babies 24-7 while enjoying veggie burgers on their breaks. They love elective abortions but hate pulled pork sandwiches!
3rdAngel
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Then follows up with an apology video from the same person not long after for spreading misinformation...
Are you going to apologise for spreading misinformation? You don't have to if you do not wish to you can work it out with God if you like. Me personally. I do not know a single person in the SDA Church that supports abortion or any that teach it...
Then follows up with an apology video from the same person not long after for spreading misinformation...
Are you going to apologise for spreading misinformation? You don't have to if you do not wish to you can work it out with God if you like. Me personally. I do not know a single person in the SDA Church that supports abortion or any that teach it...
Some of your pastors are sickened by what goes on in your Adventist hospitals some of your members are sickened by the countless abortions that take place in Adventist hospitals and abortion Hospital and abortion Mills. Did you hear the question why are Catholics so loud against abortion and our church, SDA, So Silent? I bet I know why! It's very lucrative business for Adventist hospitals. And Andrews videos he exposes the SDA for it's abominable decision allow Adventist hospitals to perform elective abortions. You know they are taking place now I know they're taking place and stop calling me a liar the moderators are being informed
Here is a little hope for your cult:
Amidst Growing Criticism Adventist Church is Revisiting Abortion Position
Amidst Growing Criticism Adventist Church is Revisiting Abortion Position
3rdAngel
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You seem to be confused as to what the Church is brother. The Church is the people not the building or an organisation. I can understand more where you are coming from now. I was wondering why you do not like to discuss the scrptures and seek to change topic from the subject matter and the bible. I only found out today your Catholic. Now I could rechange our topic of discussion and talk about all the abominations that the Catholic Church has committed over time. Even mentioning the 10's of millions of protestants that the Church persecuted and killed and the pagan practices introduces into the Church and show miles of posts of supporting historical evidence but do you know why I am not? It is because I believe God's people are in "EVERY CHURCH"! living up to all the knowledge God has given them.
We are not responsible for what others do, say or believe. We are responsible though for what we do, say and believe. God is calling his people out from following man made traditions where ever they may be back to follow him according to the pure Word of God. That is all I am seeking to do by sharing God's WORD here. You are only spreading half truths and lies by omission and misinformation. No one I know in the SDA Church believes, supports or teaches abortion and to say this is the position of the SDA Church is only a lie.
3rdAngel
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Please, JESUS says you only bless me and increase my rewards in Heaven *MATTHEW 5:11-12. If JESUS were here today you would call him of the devil as did your fathers *JOHN 8:52: JOHN 10:21; MATTHEW 12:24. JESUS already warned us that people like you that do not know God's WORD would speak this way *MATTHEW 10:25; I do not think you read the article in the link you posted did you.
I read every word. Did you read about the church, your church, being pro-choice
Every word!
I ate breakfast in an SDA hospital once and they served turkey sausage. Not the kosher kind of turkey sausage, but just plain old turkey sausage.
You are full of prunes with your interpretation. When the Gospel was rejected by the Jews, the Apostles sought out the Gentiles to deliver the message. None of the Gentiles were then expected to keep the Jewish dietary laws, the Jewish Holy days, the Jewish Sabbath, the Jewish ritual of circumcision, or any of the other 600+ commands that are in the Old Testament. No sir, all they had to do was accept the gospel and even they would then become acceptable to Jehovah God.
3rdAngel
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Your confused there is no official position statement on pro-choice abortion from the SDA Church anywhere. There is only a 1992 guidline statement. You misrepresent what is being said brother this is sad for you.
While the church's official publications have avoided discussion of the abortion issue, pro-life Adventists have taken to the Internet to call on the church to revisit its position (guidelines).
I suggest you re-visit post # 47 for how SDA'S view abortion.
That will be my last post here on the misinformation your sharing here. As this is not the topic of the OP. Now do you have any scripture to share in relation to the subject matter of the OP?
Apologies for going offtopic to the OP.
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3rdAngel
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Hmm. Mm Ok? So did you wish to address the post you were quoting from and show what has been posted to you and only shared in love is in error? You simply ignored it and did not respond to any of the scriptures or questions asked of you that prove you are in error. I am all ears. If you cannot why do you not believe God's WORD?
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3rdAngel said: ↑
Let's talk scripture brother with all the context?
MARK 7:1-3
[1], Then came together to him the Pharisees, and certain of the scribes, which came from Jerusalem.
[2], And when they saw some of his disciples eat bread with defiled, that is to say, with unwashed, hands, they found fault.
[3], For the Pharisees, and all the Jews, except they wash their hands oft, eat not, holding the tradition of the elders.
[4], And when they come from the market, except they wash, they eat not. And many other things there be, which they have received to hold, as the washing of cups, and pots, brazen vessels, and of tables.
[5], Then the Pharisees and scribes asked him, Why walk not your disciples according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashed hands?
[6], He answered and said to them, Well has Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honors me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.
[7], However, in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
[8], For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things you do.
[9], And he said to them, Full well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your own tradition.
[10], For Moses said, Honor your father and your mother; and, Whoever curses father or mother, let him die the death:
[11], But you say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatever you might be profited by me; he shall be free.
[12], And you suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
[13], Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which you have delivered: and many such like things do you.
[14], And when he had called all the people to him, he said to them, Listen to me every one of you, and understand:
[15], There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.
Note some interesting lessons here which is the CONTEXT you leave out of v15.
1. Your reference is in relation to the man made tradition (not biblical) of washing hands v2
2. It was a man made teaching and traditions v3
3. It was a man made teaching and tradition of the Elders v4
4. The Scribes and Pharisees asked JESUS why do you not follow the teachings and traditions of the elders and wash your hands? v5
5. JESUS told them they honor God with their lips but not with their heart v6
6. JESUS tells them it is vain (useless) to worship God teaching for doctrine the commandments of men v7
7. They broke God's Commandments in order to follow man made teachings and traditions v8
8. In fact they REJECTED God's 5th commandment of Honoring their father and mother in order to follow man made teachings and traditions that broke the commandments of God v9-10
9. By doing the above JESUS closes by saying they make the Word of God of none effect by following man made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God v13
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CONCLUSION: MARK 7:15 was a man-made tradition and teaching that is not biblical that the Scribes and Pharisees were following. JESUS tells the Scribes and Pharisees, that they do not worship God by following man made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God and those who follow man made teaching and traditions that break the commandments of God make the Word of God of none effect! The scriptures here no where talk about clean and unclean foods. They are talking about washing of hands and cups and following man made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God and make the Word of God of none effect.
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Now brother I did notice you completely avoided and ignored the first part of my post to you as posted earlier in post # 24 linked and the questions asked you in that post which is very relavant to what we are discussing now?
As posted earlier...
Where is the scripture that says Gods' 4th commandment has been "ABOLISHED" and we are now commanded to keep "SUNDAY" as a HOLY DAY?
Please show me a single scripture that says "THE LORDS DAY" is "SUNDAY" or the first day of the week?
BTW "THE LORDS DAY" according to God's WORD is the SABBATH DAY *MATTHEW 12:8.
Now if you have no scripture that says that God's 4th commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday or the first day of the week as a Holy day than all your have is a man made teaching and traditions that breaks the commandments of God.
JESUS says all those who knowingly follow man made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God after they receive a knowledge of the truth are not following God *MATTHEW 15:3-9; HEBREWS 10:26-39.
Who are you following; God's Word or the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God?
Something to pray about don't you think?
Perhaps its time brother to start prayerfully reading God's WORD for yourself instead of letting others tell you what it means? Ignoring God's Word does not make it dissappear.
Receive God's WORD and be blessed.
Your response...
Ok off you go. Please address the post you are responding from and show why you believe it is in error.... This should be fun
At least tell us you don't kill babies OUTSIDE the womb directly after the birthing process.
Hmm. Mm Ok? So did you wish to address the post you were quoting from and show what has been posted to you and only shared in love is in error? You simply ignored it and did not respond to any of the scriptures or questions asked of you that prove you are in error. I am all ears. If you cannot why do you not believe God's WORD?
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3rdAngel said: ↑
Let's talk scripture brother with all the context?
MARK 7:1-3
[1], Then came together to him the Pharisees, and certain of the scribes, which came from Jerusalem.
[2], And when they saw some of his disciples eat bread with defiled, that is to say, with unwashed, hands, they found fault.
[3], For the Pharisees, and all the Jews, except they wash their hands oft, eat not, holding the tradition of the elders.
[4], And when they come from the market, except they wash, they eat not. And many other things there be, which they have received to hold, as the washing of cups, and pots, brazen vessels, and of tables.
[5], Then the Pharisees and scribes asked him, Why walk not your disciples according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashed hands?
[6], He answered and said to them, Well has Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honors me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.
[7], However, in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
[8], For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things you do.
[9], And he said to them, Full well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your own tradition.
[10], For Moses said, Honor your father and your mother; and, Whoever curses father or mother, let him die the death:
[11], But you say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatever you might be profited by me; he shall be free.
[12], And you suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
[13], Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which you have delivered: and many such like things do you.
[14], And when he had called all the people to him, he said to them, Listen to me every one of you, and understand:
[15], There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.
Note some interesting lessons here which is the CONTEXT you leave out of v15.
1. Your reference is in relation to the man made tradition (not biblical) of washing hands v2
2. It was a man made teaching and traditions v3
3. It was a man made teaching and tradition of the Elders v4
4. The Scribes and Pharisees asked JESUS why do you not follow the teachings and traditions of the elders and wash your hands? v5
5. JESUS told them they honor God with their lips but not with their heart v6
6. JESUS tells them it is vain (useless) to worship God teaching for doctrine the commandments of men v7
7. They broke God's Commandments in order to follow man made teachings and traditions v8
8. In fact they REJECTED God's 5th commandment of Honoring their father and mother in order to follow man made teachings and traditions that broke the commandments of God v9-10
9. By doing the above JESUS closes by saying they make the Word of God of none effect by following man made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God v13
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CONCLUSION: MARK 7:15 was a man-made tradition and teaching that is not biblical that the Scribes and Pharisees were following. JESUS tells the Scribes and Pharisees, that they do not worship God by following man made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God and those who follow man made teaching and traditions that break the commandments of God make the Word of God of none effect! The scriptures here no where talk about clean and unclean foods. They are talking about washing of hands and cups and following man made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God and make the Word of God of none effect.
............
Now brother I did notice you completely avoided and ignored the first part of my post to you as posted earlier in post # 24 linked and the questions asked you in that post which is very relavant to what we are discussing now?
As posted earlier...
Where is the scripture that says Gods' 4th commandment has been "ABOLISHED" and we are now commanded to keep "SUNDAY" as a HOLY DAY?
Please show me a single scripture that says "THE LORDS DAY" is "SUNDAY" or the first day of the week?
BTW "THE LORDS DAY" according to God's WORD is the SABBATH DAY *MATTHEW 12:8.
Now if you have no scripture that says that God's 4th commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday or the first day of the week as a Holy day than all your have is a man made teaching and traditions that breaks the commandments of God.
JESUS says all those who knowingly follow man made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God after they receive a knowledge of the truth are not following God *MATTHEW 15:3-9; HEBREWS 10:26-39.
Who are you following; God's Word or the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God?
Something to pray about don't you think?
Perhaps its time brother to start prayerfully reading God's WORD for yourself instead of letting others tell you what it means? Ignoring God's Word does not make it dissappear.
Receive God's WORD and be blessed.
Your response...
Ok off you go. Please address the post you are responding from and show why you believe it is in error.... This should be fun
I was addressing the post about what goes into a man's mouth. Again I will repeat: The Gentiles who received the Gospel after the Jews rejected it were not expected to become Jewish. They did not have to follow the Jewish dietary laws, be circumcised, celebrate the Jewish Holy Days, or any of the other 600+ things that a Jew needed to do to be acceptable to God. The Gentiles were freed (as we all are) from those constraints. Now, was I clear enough?
Actually I need to seriously modify my diet.
Probably vegetarian with some vegan foods - health - stroke , 2 heart failures, i am transitioning now for a few months.
i make a corn/potato chowder with a vegetable broth base - delicious. I'll be trying to substitute almond or coconut milk next.
You know, if such a thing happened to me I would do the same. I do like veggies - plus potatoes, rice etc., but until then I will continue on as usual. I try to keep a limit on fried foods and the worst of the stuff though. Well you take care of yourself now, you certainly don't need those bad things to crop up again. My God bless you and keep you healthy!
3rdAngel
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Post # 56 and elswhere is discussing the scripture from "what goes into the mouth" and added the context you left out and shows why you are in error and is discussing the man made traditions of washing of hands and cups (not food). You did not read it did you.
If you do not wish to address the post and scripture and questions in post # 56 and elsewhere just say so. I did not think you would to be honest, as it shows why you are in error through the scriptures alone. Only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow it.
You only provide your own words which are not God's Word in order you justify breaking God's LAW. If you cannot show why you disagree with the context you leave out of the scriptures provided in the linked post above why do you not believe Gods' WORD?
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