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Sticks & Stones - Do You Stone The Sabbath Breaker? (Num 15:32-36)

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Adonia

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We are in the NEW COVENANT now brother where have you been?

Which has done away with the old one. A new day has dawned. We now worship the Lord on his day (Sunday) and we can eat whatever we want. We are free of the old constraints, those 600+ constraints and we are now acceptable to God becuase we have been freed by Jesus Christ!

So tell us, do you keep kosher?
Do you refrain from all and any work on your Sabbath? (Riding in the car is also forbidden)
Do you observe all the OT Jewish Holy Days?
How about a prayer shawl, do you wear one?
Do you worship with females?
Do you have a beard?
 
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HankD

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NO verse 36 is in the PRESENT TENSE.

NOW! If you commit to Sabbath keeping and violate it you MUST die THE DEATH.

You cannot claim to keep the Sabbath and refuse the penalty of VIOLATING IT!
Of course it is present tense, for it still applies, but the conditions must be met to be fulfilled, for how can one be brought "within" since the "camp" is not yet here, and how can one be brought "without" since the "camp" is not yet here. This is not our present home, for we are only pilgrims, and thus await for our eternal city, the "camp of the saints" to come down. Then will all justice be met. Sabbath breakers (presumptuous) will indeed die, they will die the second death. Type points to antitype, but the spiritual does follow the natural.
it seems you have cleverly twisted the word of God and it seems that you know you have.
The broken law of Moses was dealt with immediately then as now (or should be) else the Sabbath itself need not be kept. Shame.
 

HankD

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Yep would not like to be in the shoes of those who practice sin at the second coming when many only find out too late that they lost their salvation thinking they were saved but did not believe and follow what God says *MATTHEW 7:22-26; HEBREWS 10:26-39
Good advice.
 

3rdAngel

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Which has done away with the old one. A new day has dawned. We now worship the Lord on his day (Sunday)

We are indeed in the NEW COVENANT. According to God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT God's eternal LAW (10 commandments) not the SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the laws for remission of sin have the same role they always have and that is to give us the "KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL; SIN AND RIGHTOUESNESS" *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4 and if we "KNOWINGLY" break any one of them, we stand guilty before God of sin *JAMES 2:10-11. God's 4th Commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *JAMES 2:10-11.

Now be honest brother gird your loins and let's discuss scripture?

Where is the scripture that says Gods' 4th commandment has been "ABOLISHED" and we are now commanded to keep "SUNDAY" as a HOLY DAY?

Please show me a single scripture that says "THE LORDS DAY" is "SUNDAY" or the first day of the week?

BTW "THE LORDS DAY" according to God's WORD is the SABBATH DAY *MATTHEW 12:8.

Now if you have no scripture that says that God's 4th commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday or the first day of the week as a Holy day than all your have is a man made teaching and traditions that breaks the commandments of God.

JESUS says all those who knowingly follow man made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God after they receive a knowledge of the truth are not following God *MATTHEW 15:3-9; HEBREWS 10:26-39.

Who are you following; God's Word or the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God? Something to pray about don't you think?

and we can eat whatever we want. We are free of the old constraints, those 600+ constraints and we are now acceptable to God becuase we have been freed by Jesus Christ!

So tell us, do you keep kosher?
Do you refrain from all and any work on your Sabbath? (Riding in the car is also forbidden)
Do you observe all the OT Jewish Holy Days?
How about a prayer shawl, do you wear one?
Do you worship with females?
Do you have a beard?
Where does it say in God's WORD we can now eat whatever we want? If you have no scripture for your teachings than why are you teaching things that are not biblical?

Yes I follow the dietry laws of Gods' WORD
Yes I refrain from work on the Sabbath.
No the Holy days are MOSAIC Shadow laws fulfilled in Christ or at the judgment and second coming.
No external law applies to the inward application to which it points to like circumcision.

Now if you have no scripture for your position who do you do you believe and who do you follow?

Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God.
 
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Adonia

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Yes I follow the dietry laws of Gods' WORD

It is not what goes into a man's mouth that is harmful, it is what comes out of it.

Now you do realize that eating the meat you buy at the Piggly Wiggly does not count as adhering to God's dietary laws? All that meat (most of which is not certified kosher) has blood in it and God's dietary laws prohibit the consumption of blood even in the minutest amounts.
 

HankD

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It is not what goes into a man's mouth that is harmful, it is what comes out of it.

Now you do realize that eating the meat you buy at the Piggly Wiggly does not count as adhering to God's dietary laws? All that meat (most of which is not certified kosher) has blood in it and God's dietary laws prohibit the consumption of blood even in the minutest amounts.
I think SDA is vegan or that is the target.
 

3rdAngel

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It is not what goes into a man's mouth that is harmful, it is what comes out of it.

Let's talk scripture brother with all the context?

MARK 7:1-3
[1], Then came together to him the Pharisees, and certain of the scribes, which came from Jerusalem.
[2], And when they saw some of his disciples eat bread with defiled, that is to say, with unwashed, hands, they found fault.
[3], For the Pharisees, and all the Jews, except they wash their hands oft, eat not, holding the tradition of the elders.
[4], And when they come from the market, except they wash, they eat not. And many other things there be, which they have received to hold, as the washing of cups, and pots, brazen vessels, and of tables.
[5], Then the Pharisees and scribes asked him, Why walk not your disciples according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashed hands?
[6], He answered and said to them, Well has Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honors me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.
[7], However, in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
[8], For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things you do.
[9], And he said to them, Full well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your own tradition.
[10], For Moses said, Honor your father and your mother; and, Whoever curses father or mother, let him die the death:
[11], But you say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatever you might be profited by me; he shall be free.
[12], And you suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
[13], Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which you have delivered: and many such like things do you.
[14], And when he had called all the people to him, he said to them, Listen to me every one of you, and understand:
[15], There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man.

Note some interesting lessons here which is the CONTEXT you leave out of v15.

1. Your reference is in relation to the man made tradition (not biblical) of washing hands v2
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. It was a man made teaching and traditions v3
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. It was a man made teaching and tradition of the Elders v4
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. The Scribes and Pharisees asked JESUS why do you not follow the teachings and traditions of the elders and wash your hands? v5
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. JESUS told them they honor God with their lips but not with their heart v6
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. JESUS tells them it is vain (useless) to worship God teaching for doctrine the commandments of men v7
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. They broke God's Commandments in order to follow man made teachings and traditions v8
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. In fact they REJECTED God's 5th commandment of Honoring their father and mother in order to follow man made teachings and traditions that broke the commandments of God v9-10
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. By doing the above JESUS closes by saying they make the Word of God of none effect by following man made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God v13

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CONCLUSION: MARK 7:15 was a man-made tradition and teaching that is not biblical that the Scribes and Pharisees were following. JESUS tells the Scribes and Pharisees, that they do not worship God by following man made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God and those who follow man made teaching and traditions that break the commandments of God make the Word of God of none effect! The scriptures here no where talk about clean and unclean foods. They are talking about washing of hands and cups and following man made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God and make the Word of God of none effect.

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Now brother I did notice you completely avoided and ignored the first part of my post to you as posted earlier in post # 24 linked and the questions asked you in that post which is very relavant to what we are discussing now?

As posted earlier...

Where is the scripture that says Gods' 4th commandment has been "ABOLISHED" and we are now commanded to keep "SUNDAY" as a HOLY DAY?

Please show me a single scripture that says "THE LORDS DAY" is "SUNDAY" or the first day of the week?

BTW "THE LORDS DAY" according to God's WORD is the SABBATH DAY *MATTHEW 12:8.

Now if you have no scripture that says that God's 4th commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday or the first day of the week as a Holy day than all your have is a man made teaching and traditions that breaks the commandments of God.

JESUS says all those who knowingly follow man made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God after they receive a knowledge of the truth are not following God *MATTHEW 15:3-9; HEBREWS 10:26-39.

Who are you following; God's Word or the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God?

Something to pray about don't you think?

Perhaps its time brother to start prayerfully reading God's WORD for yourself instead of letting others tell you what it means? Ignoring God's Word does not make it dissappear.

Receive God's WORD and be blessed.
 
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Alofa Atu

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I think SDA is vegan or that is the target.
No, 'veganism' is actually occult in its tenets, and is not really the right word (though it is often used), and teaches/allows the consumption of alcohol, coffee, caffeinated teas, and disallows eating of honey, among other things. Seventh-day Adventists do not teach those things, as they are unscriptural.

A Seventh-day Adventist is a health reformer, or Eden-ist.
 

Alofa Atu

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it seems you have cleverly twisted the word of God and it seems that you know you have.
The broken law of Moses was dealt with immediately then as now (or should be) else the Sabbath itself need not be kept. Shame.
That's a confusion of 'torment' (temporality, dealing with time) and 'execution' (finality, death).
 

HankD

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No, 'veganism' is actually occult in its tenets, and is not really the right word (though it is often used), and teaches/allows the consumption of alcohol, coffee, caffeinated teas, and disallows eating of honey, among other things. Seventh-day Adventists do not teach those things, as they are unscriptural.

A Seventh-day Adventist is a health reformer, or Eden-ist.
my wife had our first two babies in an SDA hospital.

they did not serve MEAT.
 

Alofa Atu

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my wife had our first two babies in an SDA hospital.

they did not serve MEAT.
Uh-huh, neither did the 'Master chef' of Eden.

Gen 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
Gen 1:30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
 

HankD

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Uh-huh, neither did the 'Master chef' of Eden.

Gen 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
Gen 1:30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

looks like the menu was - added to (but no blood).
Genesis 9
3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.
4 But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.
5 And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man.

Also it looks like - slugs, snails and puppy dog tails - are OK to eat also ("every moving thing").
 

Alofa Atu

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looks like the menu was - added to (but no blood).
Genesis 9
3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.
4 But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.
5 And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man.

Also it looks like - slugs, snails and puppy dog tails - are OK to eat also ("every moving thing").
Gen 9:3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.
Gen 9:4 But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.
Gen 9:5 And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man.

What did Noah sacrifice, clean or unclean (Genesis 8:20)? The Temple and its altar, is a type of the Body (and you ought to know even this basic thing; 1 Cor. 6:19).

The words "even as" are the restriction. All things "green herb" could not be eaten, like thorns and thistles, and not the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Also the very texts you cited, you did not understand, for it clearly says, "surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it"

God gave this temporary (Hosea 4:1-6) allowance to shorten the long lifespan of sinners.

God never allowed eating (not even for a short time) the unclean, the abomination.
 

Walter

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“So we are made right with God through faith and not by obeying the law.”
~ Romans‬ ‭3:28
 

Alofa Atu

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But the doctors there did perform elective abortions! What a treat for Jesus!
Evidence?

Here is the evidence I have (mine is documented):

Roman Catholicism and the total abuse & murder of children (incl. abortion).

Roman Catholicism and the total abuse & murder of children (incl. abortion).

Those attempting to defend Roman Catholicism when they are clearly in error, always resort to a dirty trick of distraction, and so when 'on the ropes', 'backed into a corner' when facts are clearly presented that they cannot (will not) answer, they often like to tout that they are the protectors of the 'innocent', and especially like to 'blow their trumpet' when it come to 'abortion' and 'rights to life', but when all is looked at carefully, they are one of the worst hypocrites in this matter, having abused, tortured, raped, bought and sold lives, murdered, committed adulteries, sodomies, not only in their long sordid history, to adults, but and this the most grievous, children, both born and having yet to be born from the womb. It will be documented in this thread.

What most do not know, is that Roman Catholicism defines very specifically who the 'innocent' are. Anyone that is classified by their own man-made rules (Canon law to this very day), an 'obstinate heretic' is no longer 'innocent', do not have any longer the 'right to life', are to be treated as a contagion to be contained or eliminated, and this also includes the children and even the unborn (in the womb), and can be put to death under the doctrine of the 'two swords' (Augustine; Aquinas, etc) and 'just war' dogmas. Then what happens is another tactic that follows, which is the 'plausible deniablity' clause, or the Roman Catholic plea of 'it wasn't us (church) it was them (govt)', all the while never admitting the facts of the case.

(Walter, this one's especially for you, I do hope you think on these things, before spouting off at the fingertips in your SJW mindset, for you are about to look the devil in the face).

Plead read this book - "Eaters of Children" by Johnny Cirucci (WARNING, very graphically documented, not for the faint of heart, including satanic ritual abuse, murder, etc) on the abuse, torture and murder of children by Roman Catholicism in the highest eschelons.

Please consider what goes on behind the closed doors of the Roman Catholic system:




So, as is stated by Walter:



Let's see if this is actually true, or if the whole truth is not being shown.

The official position of the Seventh-day Adventist movement, even from its key personalities, such as brother James White, sister Ellen G White and others:

"... ABORTION

"Few are aware of the fearful extent to which this nefarious business, this worse than develish practice, is carried on in all classes of society! Many a woman determines that she will not become a mother, and subjects herself to the vilest treatment, committing the basest crime to carry out her purpose. And many a man, who has 'as many children as he can support.' instead of restraining his passions, aids in the destruction of the babes he has begotten. {1870 JW, SOAP 100.2}

"The sin lies at the door of both parents in equal measure; for the father, although he may not always aid in the murder, is always accessory to it, in that he induces, and sometimes even forces upon the mother the condition which he knows will lead to the commission of this crime. {1870 JW, SOAP 100.3}

"But the effort to destroy the child is [101] many times unsuccessful, and the little one is born with murder in his heart, stamped there by the murderous intentions of his own mother. And what wonder that these inborn passions should lead him to the lowest depths of degradation both as regards the body and the soul! Many a child lives to mature years, dwarfed and deformed in body, and irritable and imbecile in mind, a disgrace to himself and to the race, who might have been a model of beauty and strength, both physically and mentally, but for the attempts of his parents to destroy his life before he was born. {1870 JW, SOAP 100.4}

"And besides all this, the consequences of such a practice are most disastrous both upon the physical and moral nature of those whose souls are stained with this terrible sin. The general health of the mother is often ruined, and the generative organs seriously injured. No system can endure the shock produced by this unnatural crime without being more or less impaired, while many a woman meets death as a penalty for her sin; others live, but are never again in a condition to conceive, and often suffer constantly in consequence of their fiendish endeavors; while others still are enabled to bear children, but with such anguish as no tongue may tell, and the child thus born is frequently a curse to himself and all with whom he is connected." {1870 JW, SOAP 101.1} ..." - James Springer White (Husband to Ellen G. White, and prominent leader of Seventh-day Adventist Movement), A Solemn Appeal, pages 100.2-101.1

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"... SPIRITUALISM is the worst form of infidelity, because of its wonder-working, and snake-like charming propensities. We present in this article a few extracts, 1 showing from the writings of spirits and Spiritualists that the tendency of Spiritualism is ungodly and corrupting; that it leads to adultery, fornication, desertions, unjust divorces, prostitution, abortion, insanity, and suicide. {March 25, 1862 JWe, ARSH 131.9} ..." - James Springer White (Husband to Ellen G. White, and prominent leader of Seventh-day Adventist Movement), Advent Review and Sabbath Herald, March 25, 1862, page 131.9

Now, let's see what Rome teaches and practices (briefly, and more detail will be given later)
:

Who was it that allowed Abortion in the United States government, in the Roe Vs Wade case? If you said "catholicism" and "Roman Catholics" you would be right! Here it is:

One of the 'Justices' of the Supreme Court, during the Roe v Wade, was a Roman Catholic, named, “William Joseph Brennan, Jr.”, who “... voted to legalize abortion.” - Was Roe Vs. Wade Decided By a Republican Court?

Was Roe Vs. Wade Decided By a Republican Court?

Religion of the Supreme Court

'Justice' William Joseph Brennan, Jr. was not Latae Sententiae excommunicate because the law of Romanism is to undermine the Protestant ethic, weaken a nation morally, subvert the people, and to eliminate its enemies through population control, while Catholic families multiply, though some will be caught in the crossfire.

It is simply the modern warfare of the Roman Catholic ideology of “just war” continued through legislation and legal practice, instead of assault by armies, in which the wombs of protestant mothers were ripped open, children killed, heads dashed against the rocks, thrown over cliffs, thrown to dogs, and so on. The history of Roman Catholicism is open for anyone to read.

In fact, even at present, there are many in the Roman Catholic system today that want abortion legalized, and it has been all over the news, and they even have campaigns and websites for promoting abortion:

Catholics for Choice - "... Catholics for Choice believes in a world where everyone has equal access to the full range of reproductive healthcare services—including access to safe and legal abortion services and affordable and reliable forms of contraception. ..." - - Catholics for Choice

"... And although religious groups have been some of the most vocal anti-abortion advocates in America, the majority of people who got abortions in 2014 identified as religious, with 17 percent listing themselves as mainline Protestant, 13 percent as evangelical, and 24 percent as Roman Catholic. The abortion rate among Catholic women was about the same as the national average, while among evangelical women it was about half the national average. ..." - VOX - Abortion in America, explained in 10 facts
 

Alofa Atu

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“So we are made right with God through faith and not by obeying the law.”
~ Romans‬ ‭3:28
Strawman. (again, do you have a hayfield somewhere for all that?) Obedience "in", not "for".

Here is what Seventh-day Adventists teach:

Isa_45:25 In the LORD shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory.
 

Walter

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Evidence?

Here is the evidence I have (mine is documented):

Roman Catholicism and the total abuse & murder of children (incl. abortion).
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Apparently, everyone on this board but you knows that the Catholic Church condemns abortion doctrinally and dogmatically. Your cult does not in fact participates in elective abortions in its abortion mills and hospitals 24/7, even your so-called Sabbath. So you can try to change the subject on to the Catholic Church all you want and get it away from your abortion loving SDA or you can deny that you're hospitals/abortion mills are packing up babies as we speak.
https://ronaldlawsonnet.files.wordpress.com/2018/05/pro-what-seventh-day-adventists-and-abortion.pdf
 
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