Texas Exit.

[Quantrill]

Sounds like you're living in a conspiracy theory.
The civil war was a judgment from God because the United States refused to outlaw slavery from the beginning. God killed hundreds of thousands of people in that war in an attempt to get wicked, rebellious, sinners to repent. God ordained the fall of the South because they did not condemn slavery and bigotry.
Sadly such bigotry also resided in the North and still finds harbor in souls today. Such bigotry is a sure sign that Christians still need sanctifying everyday.

Falling upon States Rights is a means of scapegoating the wickedness of racism.

You don't know that the War Between the States was a judgement from God against the South. There was no doubt spiritual forces behind that war. (Dan. 10:10-21) Just because the North won doesn't mean God was judging the South as wicked and evil. satan got a momentary victory, he thought, at the cross with Jesus. And of course all who saw Jesus killed as a criminal surely thought this was not God's Man.

Why should the South condemn slavery? God never did? Slavery existed in the North also. As well as bigotry. So, why do you blame the South?

Where was Bible believing Christianity flourishing. North or South? Hint...we are not called the Bible Belt for nothing.

You're but another example of the myth making propaganda machine that has been teaching you for years. And you have bit it hook, line, and sinker.

Quantrill

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

… I recognize that there are different races and that God has made them such. God did so for the same reason He gave the different languages. It is to keep man divided. When fallen man is united, wickedness multiplies. I have said before, God divides but man is always trying to unite.

This is quite the case. God reconciles us to himself through Christ, and to each other the same way, that is, in Christ. The Samaritan woman was a believer, and her village as well.

The problem for the church comes when Christians think some are unworthy of hearing the Gospel. That is not our call, not at all. Rather our call is to make sure they do. This does not mean every Christian is called to reach beyond his own “borders.” It was never the case in the NT. We are, however, called to accept other believers.

 

[JonC]

Why should the South condemn slavery? God never did?

Because slavery in the South was also racism (evil), and slaves were considered property. A slaves (in the South) was considered to be less than a man (less than a white man) although the slave was made in the image of God.

 

[Alcott]

Because slavery in the South was also racism (evil), and slaves were considered property. A slaves (in the South) was considered to be less than a man (less than a white man) although the slave was made in the image of God.

That should lead to the question: is there anyone who should be censured for characterizing helping a gentile as "taking the children's bread and giving it to the dogs?"

 

[xlsdraw]

Because slavery in the South was also racism (evil), and slaves were considered property. A slaves (in the South) was considered to be less than a man (less than a white man) although the slave was made in the image of God.

And where were you born?

 

[JonC]

That should lead to the question: is there anyone who should be censured for characterizing helping a gentile as "taking the children's bread and giving it to the dogs?"

No. That was a common idiom. It was not an offense or insult (like calling the woman a dog would be today).

 

[JonC]

And where were you born?

Spartanburg South Carolina. Home of the Marshall Tucker Band.

 

[AustinC]

You don't know that the War Between the States was a judgement from God against the South. There was no doubt spiritual forces behind that war. (Dan. 10:10-21) Just because the North won doesn't mean God was judging the South as wicked and evil. satan got a momentary victory, he thought, at the cross with Jesus. And of course all who saw Jesus killed as a criminal surely thought this was not God's Man.

Why should the South condemn slavery? God never did? Slavery existed in the North also. As well as bigotry. So, why do you blame the South?

Where was Bible believing Christianity flourishing. North or South? Hint...we are not called the Bible Belt for nothing.

You're but another example of the myth making propaganda machine that has been teaching you for years. And you have bit it hook, line, and sinker.

Quantrill

I never said it was against the south. I said it was judgment against the United States for failing to abolish slavery and uphold the declaration that all persons have unalienable rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Both the North and the South had hundreds of thousands of people killed in a war that never would have happened had the founding fathers abolished slavery and honored God.

 

[Alcott]

No. That was a common idiom. It was not an offense or insult (like calling the woman a dog would be today).

Common idiom or not, it's no insult to dehumanize a person? And were dogs not considered unclean animals which wallered in garbage?

 

[Alcott]

I never said it was against the south. I said it was judgment against the United States for failing to abolish slavery and uphold the declaration that all persons have unalienable rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Both the North and the South had hundreds of thousands of people killed in a war that never would have happened had the founding fathers abolished slavery and honored God.

And would it have been better if that war never happened and the abolition of slavery happened ? later, as in Brazil? Or was it God's choice have those hundreds of thousands killed?

And, as this is a thread about Texas, why did God choose for Texas to win its independence from Mexico, which had abolished slavery by 1820?

 

[JonC]

Common idiom or not, it's no insult to dehumanize a person? And were dogs not considered unclean animals which wallered in garbage?

That is how we would take it today. Of course, that is not how Jesus offered it or how the woman received it.

I am not sure it really matters how our culture would receive words spoken two thousand years ago. Perhaps we wear our feelings so far down our sleeves we miss that Jesus was speaking of the gospel and not the woman.

 

[AustinC]

About the only true statement you made is that I admit to being racist. I have never denied that. All your other statements are just plain false or miss the mark.

I recognize that there are different races and that God has made them such. God did so for the same reason He gave the different languages. It is to keep man divided. When fallen man is united, wickedness multiplies. I have said before, God divides but man is always trying to unite.

Quantrill

Christ Jesus united all people's. You seem to be living under the Sinai/Mosaic Covenant...a covenant of separation from God. I encourage you to embrace the New Covenant which unites all person's in Christ.

 

[AustinC]

And would it have been better if that war never happened and the abolition of slavery happened ? later, as in Brazil? Or was it God's choice have those hundreds of thousands killed?

And, as this is a thread about Texas, why did God choose for Texas to win its independence from Mexico, which had abolished slavery by 1820?

It would have been better for man to bow the knee to Jesus and treat all men as equals.
God ordained the death of all person's.
God may or may not ordain the breakup of the United States. He may bring civil war to this country and turn it into a wasteland. What God does is what God does. For me...I pray for the peace of the city in which I live as an exile waiting to enter the Kingdom of God.

 

[Quantrill]

This is quite the case. God reconciles us to himself through Christ, and to each other the same way, that is, in Christ. The Samaritan woman was a believer, and her village as well.

The problem for the church comes when Christians think some are unworthy of hearing the Gospel. That is not our call, not at all. Rather our call is to make sure they do. This does not mean every Christian is called to reach beyond his own “borders.” It was never the case in the NT. We are, however, called to accept other believers.

And I have never encountered any believer that thought some are unworthy to hear the Gospel. Never.

Quantrill

 

[Quantrill]

Because slavery in the South was also racism (evil), and slaves were considered property. A slaves (in the South) was considered to be less than a man (less than a white man) although the slave was made in the image of God.

Yes slaves were property. Goes with being slave. Again, where does God condemn slavery?

Why did you avoid my last two posts to you and instead entered into another's? Do you think this one is going to be any easier?

Are you God's property? Were you not bought and paid for? (1 Cor. 6:20) Is God not your Master?

Quantrill

 

[Quantrill]

I never said it was against the south. I said it was judgment against the United States for failing to abolish slavery and uphold the declaration that all persons have unalienable rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Both the North and the South had hundreds of thousands of people killed in a war that never would have happened had the founding fathers abolished slavery and honored God.

Yes you did. In post #(75) you said, "God ordained the fall of the South because they did not condemn slavery and bigotry." And you don't know that.

God doesn't try and obey our 'declaration of independence'. Just as He doesn't try and obey our 'constitution'.

You err in saying abolishing slavery honors God. There is nothing to base that on. If a nation does abolish slavery, well and good. If a nation makes slavery illegal, well and good. That doesn't mean it honors God.

Quantrill

 

[Quantrill]

Christ Jesus united all people's. You seem to be living under the Sinai/Mosaic Covenant...a covenant of separation from God. I encourage you to embrace the New Covenant which unites all person's in Christ.

No, not true. Jesus Christ did not unite all people. The only true unity that can ever exist is to be united under God, which means at this time, to be part of the Church. I recognize that unity of all people.

But the world of man consists also of those not in the Church. They represent the nations of the world. They are not united under God. They seek 'unity', but not under God. They seek unity but reject Jesus Christ. This is part of the great spiritual warfare going on today. satan is seeking to unite the kingdoms of the world under him so as to present his man, the anti-christ.

God will be victorious one day in this matter. (Rev. 11:15) "...The Kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ...." But much war and judgement has to take place first.

Does the U.S today want to be united under God and Christ. Of course not. They want to be united under the glorious diversity of people to prove God wrong at Babel. That is the spiritual satanic force behind them.

Again I have no problem with the unity of the Church. I have never said otherwise.

Quantrill

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

Christ Jesus united all people's. You seem to be living under the Sinai/Mosaic Covenant...a covenant of separation from God. I encourage you to embrace the New Covenant which unites all person's in Christ.

Are you claiming that all persons are in Christ, even those who don't want to be, who outright reject him? I ask because that is precisely the way your statement reads, and just the sort of muddled theology that leads to all manner of error.

 

[Quantrill]

And would it have been better if that war never happened and the abolition of slavery happened ? later, as in Brazil? Or was it God's choice have those hundreds of thousands killed?

And, as this is a thread about Texas, why did God choose for Texas to win its independence from Mexico, which had abolished slavery by 1820?

Yes, if all those blacks had been left in Africa, it would have been better for the U.S.

Quantrill

 

[JonC]

Yes slaves were property. Goes with being slave. Again, where does God condemn slavery?

Why did you avoid my last two posts to you and instead entered into another's? Do you think this one is going to be any easier?

Are you God's property? Were you not bought and paid for? (1 Cor. 6:20) Is God not your Master?

Quantrill

There is a difference between Christians being purchased with the blood of Christ and a slave owner buying an African man or woman in a slave market.

In America slaves were considered less than the slave owner. Yet Scripture tells us that these slaves, who were bought and sold as property, were created in the image of God.