GE:
By your abuse of these Scriptures, you, rbell, have ever so carefully removed all 'Sabbath-texts' from your Bible. Clever; you may have even fooled God.
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The 10 commandments and being saved
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GE:
By your abuse of these Scriptures, you, rbell, have ever so carefully removed all 'Sabbath-texts' from your Bible. Clever; you may have even fooled God.
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Originally Posted by Chowmah
There is but one way to salvation. Am i not right?
Its the law (10 commandments - all 10 including Gods 4th) AND the testimony (Jesus)
GE:
BOTH, 'heresy'!
Originally Posted by Chowmah
There is but one way to salvation. Am i not right?
Its the law (10 commandments - all 10 including Gods 4th) AND the testimony (Jesus)
GE:
BOTH, 'heresy'!
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Originally Posted by Gerhard Ebersoehn
As the writer wrote: "If Jesus had given them rest, God would NOT AGAIN speak of another day of salvation-opportunity." Hb4:8.
GE:
It doesn't matter which translation you are reading, Chowman, the 'day' spoken of in Hb8:4b is "the after THESE THINGS other day" - 'allehs meta tauta hehmeras' in immediate CONTEXT: the day in which "Jesus had given them rest".
GE:
Chowman, you do not only misrepresent the Scriptures, you misrepresent what Dr Walters and others are saying. You bend words to suit your judging of others, their motives and understanding. Fact remains, no one CAN be saved by keeping the Law however perfectly; you are saved by grace without the works of the Law just like you are saved by grace without your works of wickedness. Because one's own righteousness is like filthy old rags before the holiness of a Holy God. There is NO merit or meritoriousness in my or your keeping of the Law that may contribute to our being saved, because we are saved by GRACE ONLY WITHOUT THE WORKS OF THE LAW. Scripture!
Well then lets take a look at John 14 {6}
I see the problem rbell. Ya gotta look past the 1 liners you been taught. Read the whole verse my friend
John 14:6-15
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. [7] If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. [8] Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. [9] Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? [10] Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. [11] Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake. [12] Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. [13] And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. [14] If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
[15] If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Yeah, you gotta hate how the Son of God delivered those one-liners.
Yessirree.
Thanks for imparting your wisdom...but I prefer to stick with Biblical theology. Feel free to give it a shot.
Yeah, you gotta hate how the Son of God delivered those one-liners.
Yessirree.
Thanks for imparting your wisdom...but I prefer to stick with Biblical theology. Feel free to give it a shot.
John 14:6-15
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. [7] If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. [8] Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. [9] Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? [10] Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. [11] Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake. [12] Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. [13] And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. [14] If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
[15] If ye love me, keep my commandments.
rbell
The Son of God also delivered verse 15. Why isnt verse 15 part of your biblical theology?
So what you are saying is once you are saved, your keeping of Gods 10 commandments is evidence of your salvation. That is not correct according to scripture. Simply read the very next verse for the truth.
John 14:15-16
If ye love me, keep my commandments. [16] And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
Your claiming you were saved before recieving the Holy Spirit. The scripture above says you must 1st observe to keep the 10 commandments and then you will recieve the Holy Spirit. Please explain how you believe you can be saved without 1st recieving Gods Holy Spirit
Yes. On this we all agree. We are saved only by the grace of God. Its a free gift. But...to whom is this free gift given? The truth is all over the new testament. If you love Him...
Dr. Walter
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Do you love him IN ORDER TO BE saved or do you love him BECAUSE YOU ARE SAVED? Is not love the "fruit" of the Spirit rather than the cause for receiving the Spriit?
quantumfaith
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RBell:
GE: I think it's only your perception of things that needs adjustment and maybe you will understand God's free grace and choice in having saved you against all the odds like your own works and your own choice and your own free will and your own self.
Maybe one day RBell when you grow up and get all smart like some of the others around here you will definitely see it their correct way. :thumbs:
RBell, I hope you get the hint of sarcasm, best if I leave for tonight, sarcasm is often not a good place to be.
GE: I think it's only your perception of things that needs adjustment and maybe you will understand God's free grace and choice in having saved you against all the odds like your own works and your own choice and your own free will and your own self.
Maybe one day RBell when you grow up and get all smart like some of the others around here you will definitely see it their correct way. :thumbs:
RBell, I hope you get the hint of sarcasm, best if I leave for tonight, sarcasm is often not a good place to be.
Well then Quantumfaith, please explain below scripture
2 THES. 2 [7] For THE MYSTERY OF INIQUITY DOTH ALREADY WORK: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.[8] And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:[9] Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,[10] And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because THEY RECEIVED NOT THE LOVE OF THE TRUTH, THAT THEY MIGHT BE SAVED.
Who are these that follow the mystery of iniquity that are not saved. There are a few verses below which explains those who practice iniquity
PSALM 94 [11] The Lord knoweth the thoughts of man, that they are vanity. [12] Blessed is the man whom thou chastenest, O Lord, and teachest him out of thy law; [13] That thou mayest give him rest from the days of adversity, until the pit be digged for the wicked. [14] For the Lord will not cast off his people, neither will he forsake his inheritance. [15] But judgment shall return unto righteousness: and all the upright in heart shall follow it. [16] WHO WILL RISE UP FOR ME AGAINST THE EVILDOERS? OR WHO WILL STAND UP FOR ME AGAINST THE WORKERS OF INIQUITY?
LEV.5 [17] And if a soul sin, and commit any of these things which are forbidden to be done by the commandments of the LORD; though he wist it not, yet is he guilty, and shall bear his iniquity.
Break commandments=iniquity
NUMBERS 15 [31] Because he hath despised the word of the LORD, and hath broken his commandment, that soul shall utterly be cut off; his iniquity shall be upon him.
Break commandments=iniquity
PSALMS 89 [30] If his children forsake my law, and walk not in my judgments;[31] If they break my statutes, and keep not my commandments;[32] Then will I visit their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with stripes.
Break commandments=iniquity
MATT.7 [21] Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.[22] Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?[23] And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Ye that work iniquity=I never knew you
1 JOHN 2 [1] My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: [2] And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. [3] AND HEREBY WE DO KNOW THAT WE KNOW HIM, IF WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS. [4] He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
Theres the children that know the Lord.
JEREMIAH 16 [9] For thus saith the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel; Behold, I will cause to cease out of this place in your eyes, and in your days, the voice of mirth, and the voice of gladness, the voice of the bridegroom, and the voice of the bride. [10] And it shall come to pass, when thou shalt shew this people all these words, and they shall say unto thee, Wherefore hath the Lord pronounced all this great evil against us? or WHAT IS OUR INIQUITY? or what is our sin that we have committed against the Lord our God? [11] Then shalt thou say unto them, Because your fathers have forsaken me, saith the Lord, and have walked after other gods, and have served them, and have worshipped them, AND HAVE FORSAKEN ME, AND HAVE NOT KEPT MY LAW;
Verses 14 and 15 of this chapter in Jeremiah speaks of the gathering of Gods people (in the twinkling of an eye) to the 1000 yr period of rest. At that time, the many (Matt.7) will ask “what is our iniquity”. The answer given will be simple. You have not kept MY law. Gods 10 commandments
EPHES. 2 [11] Wherefore remember, that ye being IN TIME PAST GENTILES in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; [12] That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and STRANGERS FROM THE COVENANTS OF PROMISE, having no hope, and without God in the world: [13] But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. [14] For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
You are right! It was for Israel only. Was. We were once strangers from Gods covenants of promise, having no hope. But now in Christ, should we take hold of those covenants we have hope
EXODUS 31 [16] Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the SABBATH, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a PERPETUAL COVENANT.
The above scripture was one of those covenants spoken of in Ephes.2 and if you were to go look at all the wonderful promises of this covenant, should you take hold of it, you’d be amazed. The scripture below contains one of my favorite promises.
ISAIAH 56 [6] Also the sons of THE STRANGER, that join themselves to the Lord, to serve him, and to love the name of the Lord, to be his servants, every one THAT KEEPETH THE SABBATH from polluting it, and TAKETH HOLD OF MY COVENANT; [7] EVEN THEM WILL I BRING TO MY HOLY MOUNTAIN, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for ALL PEOPLE.
Even them (us strangers) will He bring to His holy mountain, if we should take hold of His sabbath covenant. Yup, the 1000yr period of rest
ISAIAH 65 [25] The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my HOLY MOUNTAIN, saith the Lord.
Always did want a wolf for a pet. Gonna be great. Hope I make it!
The partition spoken of here is between saved Jews and saved Gentiles.
What does Paul say about the unsaved, whether Jew or Gentile?
2 Corinthians 6:14-17 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,
Don't even fellowship with them!! A Jew today must still be saved through the blood of Christ, the same way a Gentile is saved. After that he is a Christian, no longer a Jew; the same as Gentile who turns from his pagan past and is no longer a pagan but a Christian. The two are united in one. They both are one in Christ. This is what Paul is speaking about.
I am amazed that you would twist the Scripture so. Please tell me what tribe you come from.
Show me where this has happened. Give me an example. If you can't admit that it is a future event that has not taken place.
Yes, and things will be different then, than they are here; vastly different.
I know I will make it. I have been saved by the blood of the lamb. All my sins have been washed away: the past, the present and the future. I have no doubt in my mind. I am a Christian, a believer in Christ, not a Jew. I will never be a Jew. Be not deceived.
I found a few scriptures that say your past sins are forgivin
2 PETER1 [4] Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.[5] And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;[6] And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;[7] And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.[8] For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.[9] BUT HE THAT LACKETH THESE THINGS IS BLIND, AND CANNOT SEE AFAR OFF, AND HATH FORGOTTEN THAT HE WAS PURGED FROM HIS OLD SINS.
ROMANS 3 [23] For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;[24] Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:[25] Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS THAT ARE PAST, through the forbearance of God;
JOHN 5 [11] He answered them, He that made me whole, the same said unto me, Take up thy bed, and walk. [12] Then asked they him, What man is that which said unto thee, Take up thy bed, and walk?[13] And he that was healed wist not who it was: for Jesus had conveyed himself away, a multitude being in that place.[14] Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, BEHOLD, THOU ART MADE WHOLE: SIN NO MORE, LEST A WORSE THING COME UNTO THEE.
Could you show me the scriptures or even 1 scripture that says your future sins are forgivin. Just the scripture. No commentary needed
Lets take a real good look at 2Cor.6
2 COR. 6 [11] O ye Corinthians, our mouth is open unto you, our heart is enlarged. [12] Ye are not straitened in us, but ye are straitened in your own bowels. [13] Now for a recompence in the same, (I speak as unto my children,) be ye also enlarged. [14] Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? [15] AND WHAT CONCORD HATH CHRIST WITH BELIAL? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? [16] And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. [17] Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, [18] And will be a Father unto you, and YE SHALL BE MY SONS AND DAUGHTERS, saith the Lord Almighty.
So far all points of scripture in this passage seem to be giving us instructions as to how we can become sons and daughters to the Father. So what about verse 15. Jesus Christ vs belial. Scipture says we are not to follow the ways of belial. Now alls we gots to do is find out what evil ways belial was following
DEUT. 13 [13] Certain men, THE CHILDREN OF BELIAL, are gone out from among you, and have withdrawn the inhabitants of their city, SAYING, LET US GO AND SERVE OTHER GODS, which ye have not known; [14] Then shalt thou enquire, and make search, and ask diligently; and, behold, if it be truth, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought among you; [15] Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword. [16] And thou shalt gather all the spoil of it into the midst of the street thereof, and shalt burn with fire the city, and all the spoil thereof every whit, for the Lord thy God: and it shall be an heap for ever; it shall not be built again. [17] And there shall cleave nought of the cursed thing to thine hand: that THE LORD MAY TURN FROM THE FIERCENESS OF HIS ANGER, and shew thee mercy, and have compassion upon thee, and multiply thee, as he hath sworn unto thy fathers; [18] WHEN THOU SHALT HEARKEN TO THE VOICE OF THE LORD THY GOD, TO KEEP ALL HIS COMMANDMENTS WHICH I COMMAND THEE THIS DAY, TO DO THAT WHICH IS RIGHT IN THE EYES OF THE LORD THY GOD.
Seems that those of belial didnt believe they were under the 10 commandments either.
How about the temple of God vs idols
LEVITICUS 19 [3] Ye shall fear every man his mother, and his father, and KEEP MY SABBATHS: I am the Lord your God. [4] TURN YE NOT UNTO IDOLS, nor make to yourselves molten gods: I am the Lord your God.
LEVITICUS 26 [1]Ye shall MAKE YOU NO IDOLS nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the Lord your God. [2] YE SHALL KEEP MY SABBATHS, and reverence my sanctuary: I am the Lord.
EZEKIEL 20 [16]Because they despised my judgments, and walked not in my statutes, BUT POLLUTED MY SABBATHS: FOR THEIR HEART WENT AFTER THEIR IDOLS.
This is gettin redundent
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