The 10 commandments and being saved

[Fred's Wife]

OK. Theres Hebrews 4. Now show me where the Word says the sabbath day is a symbol of salvation rest in Christ

HEBREWS 4

[1] Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.[2] For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.[3] FOR WE WHICH HAVE BELIEVED DO ENTER INTO REST, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

Have faith in the WORD of God. Enter into Gods rest. His sabbath day.

[4] For he spake in a certain place of THE SEVENTH DAY on this wise, And GOD DID REST THE SEVENTH DAY from all his works.[5] And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.

Its right there in the 1st book of the bible. Yup, the 7th day. That’s Gods sabbath day alright.

[6] Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:[7] Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.

Some, to whom it was first preached had the spirit of unbelief and did not enter the sabbath rest (Ezek.20). They were destroyed. Do you hear his voice today? Right now. Don’t harden your heart as they did.

[8] For IF JESUS HAD GIVEN THEM REST, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.[9] THERE REMAINETH THEREFORE A REST to the people of God.

You’ve heard the many say “Jesus is my rest”. Well…verse 8 contradicts that? I guess that’s why some translations have taken out the name of Jesus there and stuck in the name of Joshua. Anyways the rest (sabbath) remains. Ive heard “the many” say verse 9 is speaking of the 1000 yr period of rest. That rest has not yet arrived, its in the future so how could it remain if it isnt yet here? Oh well.

[10] For HE THAT IS ENTERED INTO HIS REST, he also hath ceased from his own works, AS GOD DID FROM HIS.
[11] Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

Of course the above verses are speaking of the sabbath. Enter into the rest as God also did. Verse 4 says God entered into rest on the seventh day. The sabbath. Verse 11 says we are to enter into that very same rest.

Ive seen pages and pages written about above scriptures trying to explain that it doesnt really mean what it says. Just believe what it says and enter into the rest GOD created for us. The rest that sanctifys us and sets believers apart from those with the spirit of unbelief, like those who were destroyed in the wilderness (Ezek.20). Don’t harden your heart.

The Sabbath is God's rest...not man's rest. We are to enter into God's rest.

Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Matthew 11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

God first gave the sabbath as a duty to man in the book of Exodus...and that was to Israel, nobody else.

You can go ahead and remain bound to the Mosaic law (which, BTW, was given to Israel, not the church), but my rest is in Jesus Christ. I have entered into His rest. He is my Sabbath, not a day of the week.

 

[Amy.G]

OK.

Ive seen pages and pages written about above scriptures trying to explain that it doesnt really mean what it says. Just believe what it says and enter into the rest GOD created for us. The rest that sanctifys us and sets believers apart from those with the spirit of unbelief, like those who were destroyed in the wilderness (Ezek.20). Don’t harden your heart.

The rest those scriptures speak of is the rest we have in Christ. God rested on the 7th day in that He ceased from His work. The Sabbath day was commanded to be a day in which the people ceased their work. Jesus is compared to the Sabbath because in Him we cease our work. He has completed all the work. He fulfilled the Law. He atoned for the sins of the world. The work is finished. We are to cease working for salvation and trust (rest) in Christ and HIS finished work.
That's what those scriptures mean.

Paul makes it clear that we are not to judge another because we have been freed from the Law.

Colossians 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:




Also,
In Hebrews 4:8, Jesus should be translated Joshua. In fact the KJV footnotes tell us that.

Heb*4:8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
Footnote: Jesus; that is Joshua.

 

[Amy.G]

Good post Fred's wife. :flower:

 

[Steven2006]

The Sabbath day is Saturday, the seventh day of the week. It has never been changed to Sunday.

The Sabbath belongs to the Hebrews.

Exd 31:13 "But as for you, speak to the sons of Israel saying, 'You shall surely observe My sabbaths; for this is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the LORD who sanctifies you.

Exd 31:16-17 "So the sons of Israel shall observe the sabbath, to [fn] celebrate the sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant.'
It is a sign between Me and the sons of Israel forever; for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, but on the seventh day He ceased from labor, and was refreshed."


In the New Testament every commandment is repeated for Christians except keeping the Sabbath. Nowhere is that commandment given to the church.



It was the first day of the week that Jesus arose.

Mat 28:1 ¶In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first [day] of the week,

It was the first day of the week the church met.

Act 20:7 On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul began talking to them, intending to leave the next day, and he prolonged his [fn] message until midnight.

1Cr 16:2 On the first day of every week each one of you is to [fn] put aside and save, as he may prosper, ...

Rev 1:10 I was [fn] in the Spirit on the Lord's day, ...



The church and Christians are new creations, and don't belong to the old.

2Cr 5:17 Therefore if anyone is in Christ, [fn] he is a new creature; the old things passed away; behold, new things have come.

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[Chowmah]

The Sabbath is God's rest...not man's rest. We are to enter into God's rest.

Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Matthew 11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

I asked you to show me where in Hebrews 4 where.... Well you know what i asked and you showed me nothing. What you did was redirect to above scriptures. So lets look at them now

MATTHEW 11 [27] All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him. [28] Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. [29] Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. [30] For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

In order to find out what rest Jesus is speaking of simply read the next verse. Keep in mind when this was written it was one continual writing. No chapters and verses.

MATTHEW 12 [1] At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn, and to eat. [2] But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day.

MATTHEW 12 [10] And, behold, there was a man which had his hand withered. And they asked him, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath days? that they might accuse him. [11] And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out? [12] How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.

The Jews added over a hundred laws to the original sabbath commandment which made the 4th commandment more of a burden than a blessing. Jesus sets them straight in Matthew 12 on a couple of these added laws to His 4th commandment.

JER.6 [16] Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ASK FOR THE OLD PATHS, where is the good way, and walk therein, AND YE SHALL FIND REST FOR YOUR SOULS. BUT THEY SAID, WE WILL NOT WALK THEREIN.[17] Also I set watchmen over you, saying, Hearken to the sound of the trumpet. But they said, We will not hearken.[18] Therefore hear, ye nations, and know, O congregation, what is among them.[19] Hear, O earth: behold, I will bring evil upon this people, even the fruit of their thoughts, because they have not hearkened unto my words, nor to my law, but rejected it.

ISAIAH 30 [13] Therefore this iniquity shall be to you as A BREACH READY TO FALL, swelling out in a high wall, whose breaking cometh suddenly at an instant. [14] And he shall break it as the breaking of the potters' vessel that is broken in pieces; he shall not spare: so that there shall not be found in the bursting of it a sherd to take fire from the hearth, or to take water withal out of the pit. [15] For thus saith the Lord God, THE HOLY ONE of Israel; IN RETURNING AND REST SHALL YE BE SAVED; in quietness and in confidence shall be your strength: AND YE WOULD NOT.

Take the old “paths” and find rest for souls. What has happened concerning His sabbath is no surprise to Him. The WORD knew what would happen. The people will not walk in the old path. They will not keep His sabbath rest.

ISAIAH 58 [12] And they that shall be of thee shall build the old waste places: thou shalt raise up the foundations of many generations; and thou shalt be called, THE REPAIRER OF THE BREACH, THE RESTORER OF PATHS TO DWELL IN.[13] If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call THE SABBATH a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:[14] Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

In Jer.6 and Isaiah 30 you see those who have refused to follow the correct path in which they would find rest (a breach ready to fall). In the above scripture you find those who follow the correct path (the repairer of the breach).

AINT THE WORD OF GOD GREAT!

 

[Chowmah]

How we live AFTER salvation is the RESULT of our new life in Christ...

MARK 1 [14] Now after that John was put in prison, JESUS CAME INTO GALILEE, PREACHING THE GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM OF GOD, [15] And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: REPENT YE, AND BELIEVE the gospel., [15] And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

1st repent (of sin )and THEN believe the gospel. Thats what Jesus says

Rev. 2:1-5
Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks; [2] I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars: [3] And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted. [4] Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love. [5] Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.

This new covenant scripture is speaking to one of the churches. According to your theology these people are saved. So what are they suppose to repent of if there is no law. My guess is they are to repent of sin. Must THEY WORK to do the "first works" or have their candlestick removed? Yup! Thats what this new covenant scripture says.

 

[Fred's Wife]

I believe in biblical repentance....however it is not man's work. It goes hand in hand with faith. Biblical repentance is a supernatural work of God whereby a responsive sinner, being convicted by the Holy Spirit of his rebellion, turns to God from his sinful ways and trusts Jesus Christ for salvation. God gives us repentance.

2 Timothy 2:25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;

It is God's work in the sinner...not the reverse.

 

[Chowmah]

The work of God. Just read verse 5 of Rev.2

 

[Darrell C]

Dear DarrelC and rbell
How many times must i say to you guys that you can only be saved by the grace of God? Your works will not save you. Does D Koresh recieve this free gift. He was a believer. If not why not. After all its a free gift. Well guys lets keep at it. Will your doctrines break down or mine. You see i need not do a song and dance around any of the scriptures. You guys are on the dance floor more than F Astare and G Rogers

Thanks for not comparing to Michael Jackson with your "dancing estimate."

You suppose that David Koresh was a born-again believer, and that he "fell away," I am supposing.

I would suggest to you that this man was a child of Satan, not a son of God.

The belief that one is saved by Christ and remains saved through good works and keeping the law is works-based salvation nonetheless.

Before you cast me as antinomian, let me say that I believe that the law is kept by born-again believers, as this is made possible by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.

Do you think you would have the commandments aside from God giving it?

And have you not read that man could not keep the Commandments?

But we are talking about, not whether a Christian can and should keep the commandments (they will, though not perfectly, and must be taught to walk as Christ by the Spirit as they grow, and are conformed to the image of Christ), but how men are saved.

Now Koresh was an antichrist, this is evident. Are you ascribing salvation to an antichrist?

Was his fruit the fruit of the Spirit, or the work of Satan?

If time allows it, I will be glad to discuss this with you, please state your belief how men can be saved.

You say people are saved by grace, then call David Koresh a believer.

I disagree with that, and think his life shows he was not.

So, to get the ball rolling, how about a doctrinal statement of faith?

Forgive me if I have misread your posts, but I don't think I have.

God bless.

 

[Darrell C]

MARK 1 [14] Now after that John was put in prison, JESUS CAME INTO GALILEE, PREACHING THE GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM OF GOD, [15] And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: REPENT YE, AND BELIEVE the gospel., [15] And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

1st repent (of sin )and THEN believe the gospel. Thats what Jesus says

Rev. 2:1-5
Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks; [2] I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars: [3] And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted. [4] Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love. [5] Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.

This new covenant scripture is speaking to one of the churches. According to your theology these people are saved. So what are they suppose to repent of if there is no law. My guess is they are to repent of sin. Must THEY WORK to do the "first works" or have their candlestick removed? Yup! Thats what this new covenant scripture says.

Is the Church of Ephesus, the one this epistle is written to, still there?

They are told to overcome, what do you suppose it means to overcome?

While I agree that the Church partakes of the New Covenant, there is no direct reference to the New Covenant here.

In Hebrews 4, the reference to Jesus giving rest is speaking of Joshua, not the Lord.

God bless.

 

[Chowmah]

Is the Church of Ephesus, the one this epistle is written to, still there?

They are told to overcome, what do you suppose it means to overcome?

Hey Darrell C
Whats more important is not what i suppose but what the Word says

1 JOHN 5 [1] Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.[2] By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.[3] For THIS IS THE LOVE OF GOD, THAT WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS: AND HIS COMMANDMENTS ARE NOT GRIEVOUS.[4] For WHATSOEVER IS BORN OF GOD OVERCOMETH THE WORLD: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.[5] Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

A lot of people who are against Gods law will try to tell you that you cant mix faith and the 10 commandments. Apples and oranges they say. The scriptures seem to have no problem in doing so. Everywhere you look...old or new testament. Makes no matter

REV.14 [12] Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

 

[Chowmah]

And if you seek HIM at His Word you will find...

JOHN 3 [16] For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. [17] For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. [18] He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. [19] And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. [20] For EVERY ONE THAT DOETH EVIL HATETH THE LIGHT, NEITHER COMETH TO THE LIGHT, lest his deeds should be reproved. [21] But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

Many will quote John 3[16-18]. But if you go on to read the next 3 verses in John (19-21) you will see that unbelievers have NO LIGHT IN THEM because they prefer darkness. Could it be there are some that say they believe and think they believe, but actually believe not due to their deeds? Their works?

ISAIAH 8 [20] TO THE LAW AND TO THE TESTIMONY: IF THEY SPEAK NOT ACCORDING TO THIS WORD, IT IS BECAUSE THERE IS NO LIGHT IN THEM.[21] And they shall pass through it, hardly bestead and hungry: and it shall come to pass, that when they shall be hungry, they shall fret themselves, and curse their king and their God, and look upward.[22] And they shall look unto the earth; and behold trouble and darkness, dimness of anguish; and they shall be driven to darkness.

Look into Isaiah 8 Darrell C. Its a Day of the Lord scripture. It has not yet come to pass

 

[Chowmah]

Theres another huge problem with you guys who say we are not under Gods 10 commandments

HEBREWS 12 [6] For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.[7] If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?[8] But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.[9] Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

This new testament scripture tells us that God will chasten all his children whom he loves.

PSALM 94 [12] Blessed is the man whom thou chastenest, O LORD, and teachest him out of thy law;[13] That thou mayest give him rest from the days of adversity, until the pit be digged for the wicked.[14] For the LORD will not cast off his people, neither will he forsake his inheritance.[15] But judgment shall return unto righteousness: and all the upright in heart shall follow it.[16] Who will rise up for me against the evildoers? or who will stand up for me against the workers of iniquity?

Psalm 94 says the Lord chastens and teaches his people out of the law. And this law is still in force until the pit is dug for the wicked. The bottomless pit of Revelations i suppose.

REV.3 [18] I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.[19] As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.[20] Behold, I stand at the door, and knock:if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.[21] To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent. Many claim theres nothing to repent of. They say we are not under the 10 commandments. Well, if there is no law, there can be no sin. Sin is the transgression of the law. If there is no transgression, theres nothing to repent of.

DEUT.8 [5] Thou shalt also consider in thine heart, that, AS A MAN CHASTENETH HIS SON, SO THE LORD THY GOD CHASTENETH THEE.[6] THEREFORE THOU SHALT KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF THE LORD THY GOD, to walk in his ways, and to fear him.

So if the 10 commandments were nailed to the cross as the many claim, how does God chasten His children? Or for that matter, why? No one other than Jesus has kept the ten commandments perfectly. But we must try to keep them, as the scriptures tell us to. But when we fall, we will be chastened. We must become as a child and obey our Father.

 

[Chowmah]

The Sabbath day is Saturday, the seventh day of the week. It has never been changed to Sunday.

The Sabbath belongs to the Hebrews.

Hello Steven2006
Actually it belong only to the whole house of the children of Isael. Not no more. Not since Christ. I posted this before i think.

EPHES. 2 [11] Wherefore remember, that ye being IN TIME PAST GENTILES in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; [12] That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and STRANGERS FROM THE COVENANTS OF PROMISE, having no hope, and without God in the world: [13] But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. [14] For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

We were once strangers from Gods covenants of promise, having no hope. But now in Christ, should we take hold of those covenants we have hope

EXODUS 31 [16] Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the SABBATH, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a PERPETUAL COVENANT.

The above scripture was one of those covenants spoken of in Ephes.2 and if you were to go look at all the wonderful promises of this covenant, should you take hold of it, you’d be amazed. The scripture below contains one of my favorite promises.

ISAIAH 56 [6] Also the sons of THE STRANGER, that join themselves to the Lord, to serve him, and to love the name of the Lord, to be his servants, every one THAT KEEPETH THE SABBATH from polluting it, and TAKETH HOLD OF MY COVENANT; [7] EVEN THEM WILL I BRING TO MY HOLY MOUNTAIN, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for ALL PEOPLE.

Even them (us strangers) will He bring to His holy mountain, if we should take hold of His sabbath covenant. Yup, the 1000yr period of rest

ISAIAH 65 [25] The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my HOLY MOUNTAIN, saith the Lord.

Always did want a wolf for a pet. Gonna be great. Hope I make it!

 

[Chowmah]

Exd 31:13 "But as for you, speak to the sons of Israel saying, 'You shall surely observe My sabbaths; for this is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the LORD who sanctifies you.

Heres a Day of the Lord scripture your not gonna like

ISAIAH 66 [15] For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.[16] For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many.[17] THEY THAT SANCTIFY THEMSELVES, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, SHALL BE CONSUMED together, saith the LORD.

No one can claim that the scripture is for ancient Israel, because its yet to be fulfilled. It will be fulfilled when Jesus returns. Anyways, if THE SABBATH IS A SIGN THAT GOD SANCTIFYS YOU. Who are those that “sanctify themselves”? Pretty simple to figure out.

 

[Chowmah]

In the New Testament every commandment is repeated for Christians except keeping the Sabbath. Nowhere is that commandment given to the church.

It surely is given to the church

DO YOU WANT ETERNAL LIFE
MATT.19 [16] And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? [17] And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.[18] He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,

DO YOU KNOW GOD
1 JOHN 2 [1] My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: [2] And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. [3] And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. [4] He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

DO YOU LOVE GOD
1 JOHN 5 [1] Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. [2] By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. [3] For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

DO YOU WANT GODS HOLY SPIRIT
JOHN 14 [15] If ye love me, keep my commandments.[16] And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;[17] Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

DO YOU WANT A RIGHT TO THE TREE OF LIFE
REV. 22 [14] Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

ARE YOU ONE OF GODS SAINTS
REV. 14 [12] Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

WE KNOW WHO WINS THIS WAR – WHOSE SIDE YOU ON
REV. 12 [17] And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

ARE GODS COMMANDMENTS A BURDEN TO YOU
1 JOHN 5 [2] By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. [3] For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.


Now alls ya got to do after seeing all these new covenant scriptures telling you to keep the commandments is to go look up the 4th one

 

[Chowmah]

It was the first day of the week that Jesus arose.

Are ya sure about that Steve

MATTHEW 12 [39] But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: [40] For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

The above scripture says as Jonas was 3 days and 3 nights in the whales belly, and so shall Jesus be 3 days and 3 nights in the heart of the earth. Does good Friday afternoon till (easter) Sunday morning equal 3 days and 3 nights? Not even close.

MARK 16 [1] And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.

These girls bought sweet spices after the sabbath was past.

LUKE 23: [56] And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.

These very same girls prepared spices and then rested the sabbath day, according to the commandment (Gods 4th commandment) How could these women prepare spices and rest the sabbath if they didnt buy spices till after the sabbath had past? There had to be two sabbath days that week. One high sabbath day and one weekly sabbath day.

JOHN 19 [14] And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King![15] But they cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him.

JOHN 19[31] The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.

These 2 scriptures from John are proof that the first of these sabbaths was the high sabbath. There is a sabbath on the 1st day of the feast of unleavened bread.

LEVITICUS 23 [5] In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the Lord's passover. [6] And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the Lord: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread. [7] In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.

After the passover, in the 1st day of unleavened bread, there is a high sabbath day. No one saw the Lord rise. When they discovered He had risen, it was Sunday (the 1st day of the week) but no one was present when He rose from the dead. If you believe the sign of Jonas and the scripture from Matt.12 you must believe He rose on a late sabbath afternoon 3 days and 3 nights after Jesus was placed in the heart of the earth. He was placed in tomb before sundown as at sundown began the sabbath as stated in John 19[31].

 

[Chowmah]

It was the first day of the week the church met.

Act 20:7 On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul began talking to them, intending to leave the next day, and he prolonged his [fn] message until midnight.

ACTS 20 [7] And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.[8] And there were many lights in the upper chamber, where they were gathered together.

Yes Steven the above scripture is used by the many to convince people that sunday was being kept as a day of rest instead of the sabbath during the time of Paul. They will point out that on the first day of the week they came together to “break bread” and thus the believers of Pauls time were following sunday as the “new testament” day of rest.

ACTS 2 [42] And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.[43] And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles.[44] And all that believed were together, and had all things common;[45] And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.[46] And they, CONTINUING DAILY with one accord in the temple, AND BREAKING BREAD from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,

But as you can see they “broke bread” daily. Not just on the first day of the week. THEY WERE SIMPLY EATING. The fact is, you will find no where in the new testament anyone keeping sunday as a day of rest.

LUKE 4 [14] And JESUS returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about.[15] And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all.[16] And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, AS HIS CUSTOM WAS, he WENT INTO THE SYNAGOGUE ON THE SABBATH DAY, and stood up for to read.

JESUS kept the sabbath

ACTS 17 [2] AND PAUL, AS HIS MANNER WAS, went in unto them, and three SABBATH DAYS reasoned with them out of the scriptures,[3] Opening and alleging, that Christ must needs have suffered, and risen again from the dead; and that this Jesus, whom I preach unto you, is Christ.

PAUL kept the sabbath

ACTS 13 [42] And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, THE GENTILES besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.[43] Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.[44] And THE NEXT SABBATH DAY CAME ALMOST THE WHOLE CITY TOGETHER TO HEAR THE WORD OF GOD.

GENTILES come together on the sabbath to hear the WORD.

ACTS 25 [7] And when he was come, the Jews which came down from Jerusalem stood round about, and laid many and grievous complaints against Paul, which they could not prove. [8] While he answered for himself, NEITHER AGAINST THE LAW OF THE JEWS, neither against the temple, nor yet against Caesar, HAVE I OFFENDED ANY THING AT ALL.

Your not alone Steven. During the time of Paul there were also many who accused Paul, saying he was not keeping the law of the Jews (which includes the sabbath). Just as it is today, nobody seems to be able to prove that.

 

[Chowmah]

Rev 1:10 I was [fn] in the Spirit on the Lord's day, ...

You seem to be implying that the Lords day means sunday? Is the first chapter of revelations speaking of sunday when it mentions the Lord’s day? Or is it speaking about the Day of the Lord? When Jesus returns to set up His kingdom. What is the book of revelation about. Most of it is a picture of events which happen on the Day of the Lord. The day Jesus returns. The scriptures below are speaking of the same exact events that will take place on the “day of the Lord”.

REV.1 [7] Behold, HE COMETH WITH CLOUDS; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of THE EARTH SHALL WAIL because of him. Even so, Amen.[8] I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.[9] I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.[10] I was in the Spirit on THE LORD'S DAY, and heard behind me a GREAT VOICE, as of A TRUMPET,

he cometh with clouds - of a trumpet - the Lord's day - a great voice - the earth shall wail

ZEPH.1 [14] The great DAY OF THE LORD is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even THE VOICE of the day of the LORD: the mighty man shall CRY THERE BITTERLY.[15] That day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a DAY OF CLOUDS and thick darkness,[16] A day of THE TRUMPET and alarm against the fenced cities, and against the high towers

a day of clouds - of the trumpet - The great day of the LORD - even the voice - man shall cry there bitterly

See how these two scriptures are speaking of the same exact events. Pretty simple to see now that the Lords day is not sunday but another way to say the Day of the Lord. What a day it will be.

 

[rbell]

OK, so now Jesus rose from the dead on Saturday?

Wow. That's one tortured hermeneutic right there.

I guess the Greek phrase "first day of the week," when properly translated, means, "Oh, I really meant Saturday."