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The Army's hard sell

carpro

carpro

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I just talked to a young man at church who is a private on leave after finishing army boot camp.
He's extremely proud to have the opportunity to serve his country.

The reason I mention him is that, in spite of lagging enlistments, the Marines have not lowered their standards. This young man tried to join the Marines and was refused because of a public intoxication charge on his record.

God bless him and all the young men and women who still believe it's an honor and worth the price to serve their country.
 
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TisHerself

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Originally posted by RockRambler:
It seems that many times a man's desire to wage war increases when the likelihood of him being drafted decreases.
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Excellent!
 
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TisHerself

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Originally posted by Joseph_Botwinick:
How would you explain the war in Iraq then since there is no draft? All you have is empty partisan rhetoric.

Joseph Botwinick
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People are generally good and want to serve their duty. Many have enlisted over the years. They aren't doing that now though! Those numbers are way down. The point is, the war cannot continue without a draft.
 
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Joseph_Botwinick

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Originally posted by TisHerself:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Joseph_Botwinick:
How would you explain the war in Iraq then since there is no draft? All you have is empty partisan rhetoric.

Joseph Botwinick
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People are generally good and want to serve their duty. Many have enlisted over the years. They aren't doing that now though! Those numbers are way down. The point is, the war cannot continue without a draft. </font>[/QUOTE]Actually,

I believe the latest reports show that they are meeting and exceeding recruiting goals in almost all branches of the military right now.

Joseph Botwinick
 
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Joseph_Botwinick

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Also,

How do you explain all those soldiers who are volunteering to go back to Iraq after recovering from injuries when, legally, they are under no obligation to do so whatsoever?

Joseph Botwinick
 
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Rocko9

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Originally posted by Joseph_Botwinick:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by TisHerself:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Joseph_Botwinick:
How would you explain the war in Iraq then since there is no draft? All you have is empty partisan rhetoric.

Joseph Botwinick
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People are generally good and want to serve their duty. Many have enlisted over the years. They aren't doing that now though! Those numbers are way down. The point is, the war cannot continue without a draft. </font>[/QUOTE]Actually,

I believe the latest reports show that they are meeting and exceeding recruiting goals in almost all branches of the military right now.

Joseph Botwinick </font>[/QUOTE]That would be the re-inlistment numbers from Fort Bragg, the place from where our President gave his speech last week. Overall numbers are still down.
 
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Joseph_Botwinick

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How do you explain those re-enlistment numbers? How do you explain all those recovering injured troops volunteering to go back to Iraq? I thought the desire to wage war only increased if someone isn't in danger of going to war? You have nothing but bitter empty rhetoric to offer.

Joseph Botwinick
 
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LadyEagle

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Ha! Most of these threads are empty rhetoric.
 
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prophecynut

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Originally posted by Joseph_Botwinick:
Also,

How do you explain all those soldiers who are volunteering to go back to Iraq after recovering from injuries when, legally, they are under no obligation to do so whatsoever?

Joseph Botwinick
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They are blind and deaf like you are.
 
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TisHerself

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Originally posted by prophecynut:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Joseph_Botwinick:
Also,

How do you explain all those soldiers who are volunteering to go back to Iraq after recovering from injuries when, legally, they are under no obligation to do so whatsoever?

Joseph Botwinick
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They are blind and deaf like you are. </font>[/QUOTE]And they are few and far between... hardly what I would call "all those"!
 
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TisHerself

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Originally posted by Joseph_Botwinick:
How do you explain those re-enlistment numbers? How do you explain all those recovering injured troops volunteering to go back to Iraq? I thought the desire to wage war only increased if someone isn't in danger of going to war? You have nothing but bitter empty rhetoric to offer.

Joseph Botwinick
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The only numbers I've seen change are those that changed due to the administration's change in the way it noted the numbers! So, it still holds that very few are inlisting and very, very few are volunteering to go back to Iraq!
 
KenH

KenH

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Originally posted by TisHerself:
The point is, the war cannot continue without a draft.
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That is not true, especially if we can get you liberals to stop undermining the efforts of our troops in Iraq.
 
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Dragoon68

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Originally posted by TisHerself:
The only numbers I've seen change are those that changed due to the administration's change in the way it noted the numbers! So, it still holds that very few are inlisting and very, very few are volunteering to go back to Iraq!
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"Very, very few!" I don't think so! Statistics go up and down like interest rates but the long term is what counts most. Your "sky is falling" liberal viewpoint is far from the truth. Here's what the Secretary of Defense said in a interview with David Kelso, KOKC-AM/KRXO-FM, Oklahoma City, Okla,Tuesday, June 21, 2005:

KELSO: I also understand, and this is one of the things you don't hear much about on the news, that recruitment in the Army is down, but reenlistments are up. Do you think this has anything to do with this flow of negativity coming from CNN and Michael Moore?

RUMSFELD: Well, it's possible. I'm not in a position to go in and disaggregate and identify all the things that may affect people's decision-making, but you're quite right. The Air Force and the Navy recruiting and retention are just fine. And in the Army, the retention is good and interestingly, the people who served in Iraq and Afghanistan, the retention is even higher than it is for the force in general. So clearly the people there recognize that they're doing noble work, that it's important, they know without being told in the press or the media what's going on because they're there, they see it. They're proud of it. Darn proud of it.
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RAND did a study on the effects of deployment on reenlistment in the US military a couple of years ago and concluded:

There was little evidence to suggest that hostile deployments reduced reenlistment.
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Among enlisted first-term personnel who have had a hostile deployment, for example, the effect of deployment length on retention varies by service. For Army personnel, an increase in deployment length from one month to six increased probability of reenlistment (from 0.40 to 0.46), while such increases in deployment length decreased probability of reenlistment in the Navy (from 0.39 to 0.33), the Air Force (0.39 to 0.36), and the Marine Corps (0.19 to 0.17). The overall effect of increased deployment among enlisted first-term personnel reduced the probability of reenlistment. For all but the longest deployed, this decrease still left the probability of reenlistment above that for personnel who did not deploy.
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Finally, although there is overwhelming evidence of higher retention for members who deployed, we do not know why these deployments were apparently more satisfying than the members initially expected and therefore why the deployment had a positive effect on the their decision to remain on active duty.
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I think this reveals something about the nature of people who serve in our military. It seems to me that they, overall, are proud to serve our nation in war - reenlisting - despite the risk of sacrifice of limb or life. I acknowledge that the data in the RAND report is based on deployments - hostile and non-hostile - prior to the current war in Iraq so the results could be somewhat different now if the same study were conducted now. However, I'll bet that so long as the country supports the cause the troops will be willing to serve and the results will be the same.

The best thing Americans can do to support our troops and keep reenlistments and enlistments up is to support the cause for which they're fighting. Americans will rise to the cause because they have a strong sense of duty. If you take that - the reason - away, however, as people like Michael Moore want to do, there becomes no justification to fight. It then becomes a "punishment" or "condemnation" one must endure for an ungrateful nation. We need to recognize the enemies among us as well as those we fight on the battlefield.

Patrick
 
Hardsheller

Hardsheller

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Well here's a chance for some of you desk jockeys to make some money.

The enlistment bonus is a monetary incentive offered to qualified individuals who enlist in the active Army. Bonus eligibility is based on the applicant's selected Military Occupational Specialty (MOS), civilian education or technical skills, length of enlistment and any previous military service. Enlistment bonuses range from $1,000 to $20,000 for active Army enlistments of two or more years.



Qualified applicants who enlist for three or more years in any MOS are eligible for at least $5,000.
Qualified applicants who enlist for four or more years in the active Army may receive combined bonuses up to $20,000.
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Qualified applicants who enlist for three or more years in a priority MOS may receive combined bonuses up to $10,000.
Qualified applicants who enlist for two years may receive combined bonuses up to $6,000.
 
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