The CALL, Is there One Call to All or not

[2BHizown]

Everyone sitting in the pew when the gospel is preached hears the 'general' call but that person whose heart is touched is convicted of their sin, responding to an 'inner call ' of the Holy Spirit specifically to them and then by the grace of God submits, believes and trusts in Christ as Savior!

 

[Allan]

1st because, Nowhere in this text is there a place that says one word about being chosen or given because of believing. As a matter of fact it is just the opposite. Those given or chosen believe based on that foundation and no other. And what distinguishes them is their being given by the Father to the Son & so believing on him. Not just simply their believing on him.[/COLOR][/SIZE]

Actually in the first it states specifically that:

Mat 22:9 Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage.
Mat 22:10 So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.

The offer (bid/invitation) went out to any they could find. Why invite if you have a preselected audience you have hand picked. Then after the feast commenced; then one is found who didn't belong This man was remove. (How did he know about the feast?)
So verse 14 states - Many BE called, but few [are] chosen. They are chosen BECAUSE the responded.
BTW: Who are the OTHER FEW NOT chosen since scripture says many BE CALLED.

The guests were there because everything was set and provided all that was required was the belief [that you were asked to come].

OF course they were give by the Father to the Son, No one is disputing this. What is typically the dispute is what does not follow your theology and not specifically that it couldn't be a valid rendering of scripture.
My friend believing on Him is all we are required to do as sayeth the scriptures.

 

[Allan]

Everyone sitting in the pew when the gospel is preached hears the 'general' call but that person whose heart is touched is convicted of their sin, responding to an 'inner call ' of the Holy Spirit specifically to them and then by the grace of God submits, believes and trusts in Christ as Savior!

Thank you for your post.
I understand, My question now is does conviction come only to the elect? As in the person being given the 'inner' call are they the only ones convicted of sin?

 

[Brother Bob]

Also, "many are called, few are chosen". Seems to be the same call to me. Guess it depends on whether you got a "inner" or a "outer".

 

[Allan]

Whatsever, I will get to your post I promise.
My eyes are going blurring as I have been awake since yesterday at 1 pm. Tham means I'm going on 20 hours being up and my mind closing in :BangHead: :laugh:

 

[Pastor Larry]

Why invite if you have a preselected audience you have hand picked.

Because that is the way God has ordained that his elect be saved. Why argue against it?

 

[Allan]

It should be why invite all you find if you have a preselected audience.

I'm simply asking a question and hoping someone actually can give a better biblical answer than That is just the way it is, and I don't why?

 

[webdog]

Guess it depends on whether you got a "inner" or a "outer".

You talking about belly buttons, BB? Maybe that is the way to find out who the elect are...pull up their shirts

 

[2BHizown]

Thank you for your post.
I understand, My question now is does conviction come only to the elect? As in the person being given the 'inner' call are they the only ones convicted of sin?

Yes, the sheep know the voice of their master and follow Him in obedience. All others do not, can not, hear the voice of our Master.
Read all of John 9 as it is such a clear picture of what occurs. Even before that picture of Christ being the great shepherd, He tells us that His sheep actually enter the sheepfold through Him. The old shepherds would lay down in the narrow passage and the sheep would actually enter by passing over His body.
Earlier, when the blind man was summoned it was an inner call to him alone and he believed though he had never seen, never known before. His belief was instantaneous:'Who is He Lord, that I may believe in Him?' Only Christ can give blind eyes sight!
Those who believe in Him are blessed to have been gifted with such mercy and grace to have their blindness healed!

 

[Pastor Larry]

It should be why invite all you find if you have a preselected audience.

I'm simply asking a question and hoping someone actually can give a better biblical answer than That is just the way it is, and I don't why?

The reason I gave is the biblical reason--the one that God gave us. I am not sure what else you are looking for. Perhaps if you give us some further information we can more specifically direct our answers.

 

[jne1611]

Sounds like the "dead" hearing.

Yea. When life is given to him.

 

[webdog]

So if life is already given to the "dead" prior to faith in Christ, faith in Christ is moot. Does the Bible teach this?

If the "dead" need to be given life in order to respond to anything...was Pharaoh the "elect" before God hardened his heart? You can't harden a dead person's heart, now, can you? Let's see a little consistency here...

 

[Brother Bob]

Lazurus come forth!

yep, another inner!!!

 

[Jarthur001]

hummm I have a few ideas...

So if life is already given to the "dead" prior to faith in Christ, faith in Christ is moot. Does the Bible teach this?

If the "dead" need to be given life in order to respond to anything...was Pharaoh the "elect" before God hardened his heart? You can't harden a dead person's heart, now, can you? Let's see a little consistency here...

Yes...but what does the Bible say..

The 1st birth...

Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.

Tis God that brings life..Man had nothing to do with it.

and the 2nd birth...

2 Co 5:17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.

NEW creation...not a fixer-up. Not a paint job, a NEW CREATION.

Eph 2
4But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,

5Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved

To be quickened(make alive)..one must not be alive. One must be died. And as it turns out..this is what the verse says.

Psalms 36:5-9 Your mercy, O LORD, is in the heavens; Your faithfulness reaches to the clouds. Your righteousness is like the great mountains; Your judgments are a great deep; O LORD, You preserve man and beast. How precious is Your lovingkindness, O God! Therefore the children of men put their trust under the shadow of Your wings. They are abundantly satisfied with the fullness of Your house, And You give them drink from the river of Your pleasures. For with You is the fountain of life; In Your light we see light.

Tis God that gives life in rain..Man has nothing to do with it. Notice the link of Gods pleasure and life. OH...yeah...what a great God we have!!! In full control..He is.

Luke 9:23-25 Then He said to them all, "If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow Me. "For whoever desires to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake will save it.

If Man desire to save his own life...He will lose his life. Tis God...that gives life to the one with no life. God saves sinners died in sins

John 5:21-27 "For as the Father raises the dead and gives life to them, even so the Son gives life to whom He will. ...........(Snip)

......... "Most assuredly, I say to you, the hour is coming, and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God; and those who hear will live. "For as the Father has life in Himself, so He has granted the Son to have life in Himself, "and has given Him authority to execute judgment also, because He is the Son of Man.

Tis God that gives life...Tis God that lets the dead hear....and notice...THOSE THAT HEAR...live. Which means there are some that do not hear. BUT ALL THAT HEAR(understand their need)...LIVE.

John 10:27-30 "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. "And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. "My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father's hand. "I and My Father are one."

Tis God that gives to the Son..The believer is what was given to the Son and to the believe eternal life is given. Tis Christ that GIVES life not man.

Romans 5:20-21 Moreover the law entered that the offense might abound. But where sin abounded, grace abounded much more, so that as sin reigned in death, even so grace might reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Tis God though GRACE that gives life..Man is died in sin

2 Peter 1:2-3 Grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord, as His divine power has given to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him who called us by glory and virtue,

Tis God that gives life and CALLS His elect ..The "called" hear the call and believe. The dead do not understand their need and do not come.

Revelation 2:7 "He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes I will give to eat from the tree of life, which is in the midst of the Paradise of God."'

IF you can hear (which means some cannot)...hear this...Tis God that gives from the tree of life.


In Christ...James

 

[Jarthur001]

Lazurus come forth!

yep, another inner!!!

Ezekiel 37

Vision of the Valley of Dry Bones

1The hand of the LORD was upon me, and He brought me out by the Spirit of the LORD and set me down in the middle of the valley; and it was full of bones.
2He caused me to pass among them round about, and behold, there were very many on the surface of the valley; and lo, they were very dry.

3He said to me, "Son of man, can these bones live?" And I answered, "O Lord GOD, You know."

4Again He said to me, "Prophesy over these bones and say to them, 'O dry bones, hear the word of the LORD.'

5"Thus says the Lord GOD to these bones, 'Behold, I will cause breath to enter you that you may come to life.

God Makes the dead bones hear. Well...Glory....
Can I have an Amen??

 

[Jarthur001]

Lazurus come forth!

yep, another inner!!!

Notice Christ Choose who was to come forth.

He said LAZURUS....and in doing so..set Lazurus apart from all others in the grave. Lazurus was picked as the one to raise from the died. Christ could have said...JOE come forth if He so wanted to. If so...Joe would have come and not Lazurus.

Notice also...Lazurus did not ask to be rasied. Lazurus had nothing at all to do with the raising. But...Lazurus could not resist the call.

What a great God we have. What a great Bible we have.

 

[Allan]

Yes, but the question and thought being conveyed at present is was Lazarus made alive BEFORE Christ called him forth!

Remember, the dead can not hear for they are not alive.

Or are you saying the spiritually dead are living but not alive in Christ

 

[whatever]

Whatsever, I will get to your post I promise.
My eyes are going blurring as I have been awake since yesterday at 1 pm. Tham means I'm going on 20 hours being up and my mind closing in :BangHead: :laugh:

Don't worry about it. Take a break and get some rest.

 

[Jarthur001]

Yes, but the question and thought being conveyed at present is was Lazarus made alive BEFORE Christ called him forth!

Remember, the dead can not hear for they are not alive.

Or are you saying the spiritually dead are living but not alive in Christ

We have a record in the Bible of how this works. This is shown in the valley of the dead dry bones. So...Yes. God gives life 1st.

am I right????

 

[Brother Bob]

God Makes the dead bones hear. Well...Glory....
Can I have an Amen??

Soooo, you finally admit the dead caaaaannnn hear!!!! That is all we been saying all along that the dead in sin can hear God calling to repent and also can hear the Devil saying to sin and they have to choose which one they will follow. If they will hear God and choose Him then He will regenerate them and born them again and make them alive in Christ Jesus raised to walk a newness of life.