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The catholic church recants!

Alcott

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While "dark ages" does not have a technical meaning, the way it is thrown around to represent times of great tyranny and cruelty is not justified. The period of Bruno and Galileo was the renaissance. And I think the reason this was such a time of inquisition and torture and burning is because scientific inquiry was beginning to be established again, and it meant that people are not going to be blind followers of everything their authorities tell them. The Roman church would lose some of its power over all of Europe if people could successfully oppose it, so the church resolved that it would take all mesure necessary to destroy any such challenges. And it was the same problem for the new protestant churches, though in the opposing chronological direction. They were trying to get established, while the Roman church was trying to stay established. And any excuse could be used to that end; one of the worst being that if a church wanted the wealth and property of an heir or a widow, just accuse that person of witchcraft and take them to the torture chambers, give the tormenters their fun of raping, burning, mutilating, stretching, finally killing, and confiscate their property.

But "dark ages" refers to the times of no progress or any successful challenges. To central Europe, it was the times between the fall of Rome and Charlegmagne's empire, which rather quickly broke up into a new dark age after his death. To English speakers, dark ages is more specific. Following the 'flowering' of Anglo-Saxon culture in the 7th and 8th centuries, when writing was beginning to be encourages and the kingdoms were fairly stable, the Danes invaded and established settlements, "darkening" the lives of the English, and there was again continuous warring and death and burning the centers of learning, until Alfred the Great savd his southern kingdom and the Danes were forced to accept a truce. And then, of course, Anglo-Saxon and Viking cultures gradually melded.

So "dark ages" does not mean just the middle ages, and cetainly not the renaissance.
 

Dr. Walter

New Member
It most certainly is justified to describe the tyranny of Rome over the minds and lives of humanity during its tryanic rule over secular kings even through the renaissance. As a SPIRITUAL designation it is a perfect description of the DARKNESS of Roman Supersititious relgious non-sense enforced upon humanity with intense cruelty. Scientific advancement was equally stymied by this spiritual DARKNESS. Scientists were afraid of declaring any discovery that contradicted Roman dogma as they would end up being charged as "heretics" and killed or imprisoned by pious religion.

While "dark ages" does not have a technical meaning, the way it is thrown around to represent times of great tyranny and cruelty is not justified. The period of Bruno and Galileo was the renaissance. And I think the reason this was such a time of inquisition and torture and burning is because scientific inquiry was beginning to be established again, and it meant that people are not going to be blind followers of everything their authorities tell them. The Roman church would lose some of its power over all of Europe if people could successfully oppose it, so the church resolved that it would take all mesure necessary to destroy any such challenges. And it was the same problem for the new protestant churches, though in the opposing chronological direction. They were trying to get established, while the Roman church was trying to stay established. And any excuse could be used to that end; one of the worst being that if a church wanted the wealth and property of an heir or a widow, just accuse that person of witchcraft and take them to the torture chambers, give the tormenters their fun of raping, burning, mutilating, stretching, finally killing, and confiscate their property.

But "dark ages" refers to the times of no progress or any successful challenges. To central Europe, it was the times between the fall of Rome and Charlegmagne's empire, which rather quickly broke up into a new dark age after his death. To English speakers, dark ages is more specific. Following the 'flowering' of Anglo-Saxon culture in the 7th and 8th centuries, when writing was beginning to be encourages and the kingdoms were fairly stable, the Danes invaded and established settlements, "darkening" the lives of the English, and there was again continuous warring and death and burning the centers of learning, until Alfred the Great savd his southern kingdom and the Danes were forced to accept a truce. And then, of course, Anglo-Saxon and Viking cultures gradually melded.

So "dark ages" does not mean just the middle ages, and cetainly not the renaissance.
 

DHK

<b>Moderator</b>
Can you believe it?
Cardinal Oulette, Canada's highest-ranking RCC priest, was promoted to a top leadership position in the Vatican. What is significant about this?
The church's top official in the Canada has been under fire for abortion comments, handling of sex-abuse scandal
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...leadership-shuffle/article1624022/?cmpid=rss1

This same man was allegedly involved in sex crimes.
Can he apologize on behalf of the perpetrators of the crimes of others?
Public apology

In a letter published in Quebec French-language newspapers on November 21, 2007, Cardinal Ouellet publicly apologized for what he described as past "errors" of the Roman Catholic Church in Quebec. Among the errors he wrote about were attitudes, prior to 1960, which promoted "anti-Semitism, racism, indifference to First Nations and discrimination against women and homosexuals."[4][5][6][7] Cardinal Ouellet said his letter was written in response to the public reaction to the statement he submitted to the Bouchard-Taylor Commission, and that it was inspired by a similar letter issued in 2000 by Pope John Paul II
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_John_Paul_II
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Ouellet#cite_note-7
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Ouellet#Views


Perhaps this type of thing is what is leading to "this" in the churches of the RCC:
Irma Friedrich, a parishioner at St. Emeric's Church, cries during a prayer service Wednesday, June 30, 2010. Bishop Richard Lennon was supposed to conduct the final service at the church but cancelled it, leaving parishoners to hold their own service. The church is the last of 50 parishes to close its doors, ending a massive downsizing of mostly older, ethnic parishes decreed by the Roman Catholic Diocese of Cleveland because of falling attendance, a priest shortage and financial problems. (AP Photo/The Plain Dealer, Gus Chan) MANDATORY CREDIT
http://start.shaw.ca/start/enCA/News/WorldNewsArticle.htm?src=a32401.xml



Contrary to what some of our Catholics are claiming, RCC churches are closing their doors because of failing attendance. I wonder why?
 

lori4dogs

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http://www.adherents.com/largecom/baptist_fewerSBC.html

Well that is just not really true is it, DHK. The Catholic Church is growing in membership. "The Southern Baptist Convention, the largest denomination after Catholics, lost 0.24 percent of its membership and now stands at 16.2 million". Baptists continue membership decline sharply when you figure in that the leadership of the SBC admits their figures are inflated by as much of a third. That is a fact here in the U.S. Facts are Facts, DHK. The proof is in the pews. In our parish it is standing room only at EVERY mass. Praise God!

http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/catholic_church_shows_robust_growth_in_u.s._membership_new

There are some Catholic Churches that have closed there doors because of poor attendance. The demographics where some parishes are located have changed so much that fewer Catholics live in an area that once supported healthy congregations. Also, some liberal Catholics churches are poorly attended just like your liberal Baptist churches.
 

lori4dogs

New Member
Well, this 'moral minded Catholic' will stay put. The Catholic Church is growing and growing. You posted "Contrary to what some of our Catholics are claiming, RCC churches are closing their doors because of failing attendance", the fact is that is really deceptive.
I'll bet what ever church you are attending has plenty of empty pews! You fail to mention that the Catholic Church continues to grow in membership while the Baptist church is losing members. Wonder why you left those facts out!

Your seething hatred of Catholics does not go un-noticed.
 

DHK

<b>Moderator</b>
Well, this 'moral minded Catholic' will stay put. The Catholic Church is growing and growing. You posted "Contrary to what some of our Catholics are claiming, RCC churches are closing their doors because of failing attendance", the fact is that is really deceptive.
I'll bet what ever church you are attending has plenty of empty pews! You fail to mention that the Catholic Church continues to grow in membership while the Baptist church is losing members. Wonder why you left those facts out!

Your seething hatred of Catholics does not go un-noticed.
What should not go unnoticed is this:
Cardinal Oulette, Canada's highest-ranking RCC priest, was promoted to a top leadership position in the Vatican. What is significant about this?
Significance is that he is involved in sexual abuse and is promoted to a leadership position in the Vatican!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

DHK

<b>Moderator</b>
There is no proof that he is guilty of anything and you have tried and convicted him. Sad
Why do you pretend to be blind and naive.
Did you read the Globe and Mail? Do you think they lie?

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...leadership-shuffle/article1624022/?cmpid=rss1

Google his name: Marc Oulette. Find out for yourself.

Earlier in June, a victims' group said Ouellet had refused to apologize for crimes committed within the church.
The L'Association des Victimes de Prêtres, a group that helps victims of sexually abusive priests in Quebec, had said Ouellet's then-rumoured promotion would be unmerited.
http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2010/06/30/vatican-shakeup-.html?ref=rss

 
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brucebaptist

New Member
You fail to mention that the Catholic Church continues to grow in membership while the Baptist church is losing members.

your comment is actually fulfilled in Bible prophecy... TWICE!

1) Matthew 24:37-39
But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 38For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, 39And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

2) Luke 18:8
I tell you that He will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall He find faith on the earth?

as false religion grows, true faith wanes... God is awesome!
 

brucebaptist

New Member
You fail to mention that the Catholic Church continues to grow in membership while the Baptist church is losing members.

your comment is actually fulfilled in Bible prophecy... TWICE!

1) Matthew 24:37-39
But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 38For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, 39And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

2) Luke 18:8
I tell you that He will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall He find faith on the earth?

as false religion grows, true faith wanes... God is awesome!
 

Alive in Christ

New Member
What is worse is that they at the time believed they had the authority from God to do these things and held to this belief in spite of the fact that scriptures give no man the authority to force another to believe anything. The audactiy and arrogance of this belief is astounding to me.

The Catholic "Church" is so full of it that it staggers the mind.

Sadly, I see threads of it still in existance today, with this group and that claiming that they are the "only" way to God, when Christ claims that position for Himself.

Thats very true, unfortunetly.
 

Thinkingstuff

Active Member
[FONT=&quot]Giordano Bruno was charged with blasphemy, tried at the Inquisition, found guilty, and burned at the stake in 1600
Galileo was brought forth in 1633, and under threat of torture and death was forced to recant all beliefs in Copernican theories. He was thereafter sentenced to imprisonment for the rest of his life.
Earlier to this Copernicus himself had died a natural death, but his work had been condemned as heretical.

Now in a turn-about, the RCC is recanting. I find this hilarious. As if the RCC can make the Dark Ages "light." They can't change the history they created.

[/FONT]The rest of the story can be found here:
http://start.shaw.ca/start/enCA/News/WorldNewsArticle.htm?src=i31951.xml

Has the Southern Baptist Convention ever "recant" the position many of its churches took on slavery doing the war between the states? No one is perfect and mistakes are made. So whats the big deal?
 

Dr. Walter

New Member
Has the Southern Baptist Convention ever "recant" the position many of its churches took on slavery doing the war between the states? No one is perfect and mistakes are made. So whats the big deal?

The abundance of the heart is expressed by your mouth - you always come to the defense of the RCC and always attack Baptists. - Why? Simply because YOUR CHURCH includes Rome and therefore you must defend her in order to defend your view of the church.
 

rbell

Active Member
So the Catholic Church has admitted making mistakes. Has any Protestant denomination admitted making mistakes?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Münster_Rebellion

for example? You Baptists are taught about this in your SS classes?

Bill, I hate to disappoint you, but we study our Bibles in Sunday School. It's a pretty neat concept, actually.


And yes....Southern Baptists apologized for how we treated blacks during the era of slavery & Jim Crow laws.

http://www.sbc.net/resolutions/amResolution.asp?ID=899
 

lori4dogs

New Member
The abundance of the heart is expressed by your mouth - you always come to the defense of the RCC and always attack Baptists. - Why? Simply because YOUR CHURCH includes Rome and therefore you must defend her in order to defend your view of the church.

No, sir, Thinkingstuff is simply saying 'ye who live in glass houses should not throw stones'.
 

Thinkingstuff

Active Member
The abundance of the heart is expressed by your mouth - you always come to the defense of the RCC and always attack Baptists. - Why? Simply because YOUR CHURCH includes Rome and therefore you must defend her in order to defend your view of the church.

The abundance of your heart is expressed by your mouth - you always support untruths rather than truths. And apply venom to every one who doesn't agree with you. I didn't defend the RCC I just showed how all christian churches makes mistakes. Big deal. I mean after all you're a dispensationalist. You'll have to live with that big mistake.
 
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Dr. Walter

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The abundance of your heart is expressed by your mouth - you always support untruths rather than truths. I didn't defend the RCC I just showed how all christian churches makes mistakes. Big deal. I mean after all you're a dispensationalist. You'll have to live with that big mistake.

You have left the Catholic church but the Catholic church has not left your soteriology as you defend justification by works, deny the ordinances are symoblic in nature. There is no comparison between the error of salvation and the error of dispensationalism as the former affects one's personal salvation but the latter does not.

I believe that the covenant of grace has been in effect since the garden of Eden and there has been but one way of salvation, one gospel, one Savior from Genesis to Revelation. Not many dispensationalists would claim that. I do believe in the future salvation of Israel as a nation.
 
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