Your post really was not worth a response from me, mon ami. All we get from you are deflections and obfuscation.
I answered directly point by point. And now you accuse me of deflecting, etc.
Perhaps you were just unable to refute my post. That is more likely the case.
Then who is He angry with? His anger, His wrath was poured out on His Son. Let that settle in your theology.
Psalm 7:11
does not say that God is angry with anyone!
Only the KJV says that.
(ASV) God is a righteous judge, Yea, a God that
hath indignation every day.
(Darby) God is a righteous judge, and a *
God who is indignant all the day.
(ESV) God is a righteous judge, and a
God who feels indignation every day.
(Geneva) God
iudgeth the righteous, and him that contemneth God euery day.
(YLT) God is a righteous judge, And He
is not angry at all times.
--It is quite evident that the KJV is wrong in its translation in this case.
Look carefully at your own Bible:
(KJV) God judgeth the righteous, and God is angry
with the wicked every day.
--The words "with the wicked" are in italics indicating they are not in the Hebrew text. They are supplied by the translators to make sense to you, the reader. They are not there. That is why all these other translations do not include them. They are not in the text. You cannot say from this verse that God is angry with the wicked every day, for "with the wicked" is not even found in this verse.
That is why I suggested to you: Do Some More Study On This Verse!
He is a 'consuming fire' taking vengence upon all the wicked. Look at the day of Judgment. God loves everybody, says you guys, and then casts those He loves into everlasting torment. Now, that is love exemplified.
How do you come to this conclusion? I supplied for you the context. Again do some more study.
If you truly believe what you just posted it is a denial of eternal security, and a denial of the
P in TULIP.
Hebrews 12:28,29 is addressed to those in Christ, Christians, not unbelievers. How are Christians in danger of everlasting torment unless you believe they can lose their salvation? It is not speaking of vengeance of upon all the wicked. It is a metaphor used for Christians. Do some study here. The writer uses the first person plural "we". Do you believe the writers of the NT are unsaved??
Sin is either punished in the sinner or Sinbearer. His wrath is meted out on one or the other. If God is not angry with the wicked, then who is He angry with?
When the High Priest sent the goat out on the Day of Atonement was he angry? Was it an act of anger? No. Neither is God an angry God. The Bible does not say that. If you need to go to a different translation, then please do. But the Word of God does not picture God as an angry God. He doesn't lose his cool.
As the High Priest without emotion, lay his hands on that goat, and sent it out into the wilderness, so God, without being angry, will execute wrath/judgment/justice upon those that have not believed on the name of His only begotten Son. He does not have to be an "angry God" to do so. And this is what you depict.
Start a thread about that verse and quit harping on about it. Quit deflecting.
It is not a deflection. I make a point about people taking Scripture out of context. You have done it again by trying to apply Heb.12:29 to unbelievers when it says nothing of the kind. It has as much relevance to the unsaved and their salvation as does 1Chron.26:18. None. Good verse eh?
We view God, One who hates, abhors sin. He hated, abhorred it so much, He, in His holiness, killed His own Son. God is love, yes. But His love is centered on Christ, you know, the One He killed on the cross?
So you view God as Calvin did, as depicted in His
Institutes. I am not impressed. I view Him as the Bible depicts Him. He is not an angry God.
He is a God of love, mercy, compassion, holy, just and righteous.
He loved mankind so much that he came from the glories of heaven and lived and died and rose again that he might redeem man from his sin.
Without the Spirit, none will, none can truly hear Him, mon ami. None will reverence Him.
This is where you are wrong. This is taking the Calvinistic principle of Total Inability too far. The Bible does not teach this. It does teach the principle of the depravity of man, that all men are sinners. But that doesn't mean that all men cannot respond to God.
When God commanded all men to:
Repent.
Seek the Lord.
Believe on His Name.
Call upon Him, etc.
God did not put any caveats to those commands. He didn't tell them to wait for the Spirit first. They are universal commands to be obeyed whether or not the Spirit had opened their hearts. This is what the Calvinist has wrong. Cornelius was not regenerated nor could he have been until he heard the gospel from Peter. And yet he was able to call upon the Lord to ask someone to show him the way.
Rahab the harlot no doubt was the same way. She heard of the miracles of Jehovah, that God was doing through Moses in Egypt. She heard of the other defeated kings in the travels of Israel. When she believed, called upon the name of Jehovah, we are not told. It is not the Spirit that "opened her heart," it is her, putting her faith in Jehovah, according to the revelation of God that was revealed unto her.
Let us go to another passage that deals with God's anger, seeing Psalms is something not worthy of debating due to prayer or poetical language.
Depends on the context. Remember that it is poetical language. Poetical language often has difficulties of interpretation due to the nature of the literature--often figurative.
David sang to the Lord the words of this song when the Lord delivered him from the hand of all his enemies and from the hand of Saul. He said: “The Lord is my rock, my fortress and my deliverer; my God is my rock, in whom I take refuge, my shield and the horn of my salvation. He is my stronghold, my refuge and my savior—from violent people you save me. “I called to the Lord, who is worthy of praise, and have been saved from my enemies. The waves of death swirled about me; the torrents of destruction overwhelmed me.The cords of the grave coiled around me; the snares of death confronted me. “In my distress I called to the Lord; I called out to my God. From his temple he heard my voice; my cry came to his ears. The earth trembled and quaked, the foundations of the heavens shook; they trembled because he was angry. Smoke rose from his nostrils; consuming fire came from his mouth, burning coals blazed out of it. He parted the heavens and came down; dark clouds were under his feet. He mounted the cherubim and flew; he soared on the wings of the wind. He made darkness his canopy around him—the dark rain clouds of the sky. Out of the brightness of his presence bolts of lightning blazed forth.The Lord thundered from heaven; the voice of the Most High resounded. He shot his arrows and scattered the enemy, with great bolts of lightning he routed them. The valleys of the sea were exposed and the foundations of the earth laid bare at the rebuke of the Lord, at the blast of breath from his nostrils.[2 Sam. 22:1-16]
The entire piece is very poetic. He uses very figurative language that describes his glory as much as his judgment.
It is Psalm 18:1-50.
It describes David and his wars with the Philistines.
It is also a Messianic Psalm depicting Christ warring with the hosts of hell.
It contains much imagery and figurative language.
This is the Spirit's way of conveying God's wrath as He poured it out upon David's enemies. But God is not angry with the wicked? Really?
No, not there. You have it wrong.
All are required, all are commanded to reverence Him. None are without an excuse.
It doesn't matter if Satan and his demons are commanded to reverence him. That is not the point. That is not what the verse says. The verse is directed only to believers. Your interpretation is simple eisegesis. With that method you can make the Bible say anything you want to make it.
For example:
Zechariah 5:1 Then I turned, and lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and behold a flying roll.
--My interpretation--Zechariah saw a spaceship flying through the air.
But you are doing the same type of thing.
No, it is your rubbishness in your theology that you state God is not angry with sinners every day. Is God angry with Satan somedays and other days they play 'pattycake'?
It doesn't say God is angry. However it does teach that God is just; he metes out his justice; his judgement, and will do so on the ungodly and their sinfulness. They will be judged. I don't believe you have the correct interpretation of these verses, and are not taking the context into consideration.
