He's reformed. I don't know his denomination affiliation.
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The Feminization of Christianity
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It's prophesied...."How long wilt thou go about, O thou backsliding daughter? for the LORD hath created a new thing in the earth, A woman shall compass a man."
Any scripture that could predict the women's movement or that women overtake a man must be from God. Who would think of it otherwise (historically speaking when men traditionally ruled over women)?
Any scripture that could predict the women's movement or that women overtake a man must be from God. Who would think of it otherwise (historically speaking when men traditionally ruled over women)?
So what we got here in the USA is a bunch of nice domestic churches that preach sermons about being nice.....how to live in a nice world and how to live a nice life.
There is nothing more dangerous to true Christian thinking than conventionalism.......no depth! The masses are never going to be ready for the word of surrender, of going beyond the self. They will settle for civil religion and cultural Christianity.
When was the last time you heard a sermon on Matthew 10:34 preached ?
There is nothing more dangerous to true Christian thinking than conventionalism.......no depth! The masses are never going to be ready for the word of surrender, of going beyond the self. They will settle for civil religion and cultural Christianity.
When was the last time you heard a sermon on Matthew 10:34 preached ?
To tell you the truth, I would prefer Arthur Pink.
Horton would likely agree.
Yeah, I seem to remember Jesus telling us we would be hated for his name sake. The U.S. church as a whole is not very hated.
I don't know where you all go to church but what you're talking about, I've never experienced. Women's bible studies are about studying the word, not a "coffee klatch". From the pulpit, our pastor preaches plenty about sin. He preaches plenty about the demands God places on men, on women, on husbands, wives and children.
I hear this same "feminization" of the churches over and over again and all I can say about it is why don't the men step up? You don't like it, then step your game up and be the men that God is calling you all to be.
I hear this same "feminization" of the churches over and over again and all I can say about it is why don't the men step up? You don't like it, then step your game up and be the men that God is calling you all to be.
I told you where I live, in Northern New Jersey......and I do step up but it doesn't do any good, you are always overruled. My brother was a Pastor in Pennsylvania but moved back to NJ. He also stepped up & was thrown out of the church for daring to fight the current women's feminist movement that permeates the place. When he appealed to the Pastor he was overruled & thrown out.
Maybe that's part of your problem...where you live. We are members of an IFB congregation in, of all places, Las Vegas. There is no "feminization" here. Maybe it's time to find a different church. However, I'd like a better description of "feminization"...what do you mean by that? A pastor no longer preaching on "submission" as in the woman is a doormat? A pastor no longer preaching against women working? Pink curtains in the sanctuary? Can you explain further what you mean by this?
I'll tell you what I think of when I talk about the feminization of the church:
Singing Jesus is my boyfriend song. Doesn't matter to me if it's a modern day song or a hymn if it's something that is indesguishable from a love song I don't want to sing it.
Any message that presents God as desperate and needy.
The mind being pitted against the heart and losing, often those who are interested in learning are mocked.
I think those are the big 3 that I have dealt with at one point or another in my Christian life.
Right now the church we go to plays with the line on the songs we sing, but given my husband and I live in the boonies of AZ we are thankful to be within an hour of a church with solid preaching.
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Singing Jesus is my boyfriend song. Doesn't matter to me if it's a modern day song or a hymn if it's something that is indesguishable from a love song I don't want to sing it.
Any message that presents God as desperate and needy.
The mind being pitted against the heart and losing, often those who are interested in learning are mocked.
I think those are the big 3 that I have dealt with at one point or another in my Christian life.
Right now the church we go to plays with the line on the songs we sing, but given my husband and I live in the boonies of AZ we are thankful to be within an hour of a church with solid preaching.
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Yes BW that is much of it. In fact, my wife has the same opinion. The focus on socializing vs learning, the insistence of pleasantries vs hard core working with others to achieve a goal, having a snippy attitude about others (ie being catty) and yes that occasional femanazi who thinks that you can call men bullies (if they don't get their own way).
Oh here is a pet peeve of mine...when a Pastor says....."Lets all hold hands" and sing [generally some kumbai type song]
I HATE THAT.
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Yes BW that is much of it. In fact, my wife has the same opinion. The focus on socializing vs learning, the insistence of pleasantries vs hard core working with others to achieve a goal, having a snippy attitude about others (ie being catty) and yes that occasional femanazi who thinks that you can call men bullies (if they don't get their own way).
Oh here is a pet peeve of mine...when a Pastor says....."Lets all hold hands" and sing [generally some kumbai type song]
Then maybe you need to leave the wishy-washy lukewarm church. The "seeker-friendly" churches tend to be that way, continuously feeding milk instead of meat.
I forgot to add the over the top emotional music usually played during the alter call. That amount of emotional manipulation that goes into the average Sunday Service is astounding once you become aware of it. When you have a brother who is does the lights and sounds at a mega church you really get a behind the scene view of how they use lights and music to elicit the emotional response they are looking for.Yes BW that is much of it. In fact, my wife has the same opinion. The focus on socializing vs learning, the insistence of pleasantries vs hard core working with others to achieve a goal, having a snippy attitude about others (ie being catty) and yes that occasional femanazi who thinks that you can call men bullies (if they don't get their own way).
Oh here is a pet peeve of mine...when a Pastor says....."Lets all hold hands" and sing [generally some kumbai type song]
That is always the excuse I hear from women, but the truth in our church is that they want to run the show.
I'm hearing some disdain for women there...I will say it again...if men would step up instead of sitting at home grousing and unable to turn off the TV, there wouldn't be a problem. But, if the men won't step up and act as they should it will be up to us to lead and guide our children and others.
So...quit complaining and either step up even if you get rebuffed or go find another church. OK? Whining and complaining isn't going to change anything...
I am not whining or complaining, but you seem a bit touchy. I do a little bit at church. Until recently, I taught Sunday School, was vice President of mens ministry, assistant treasurer, assistant church Secretary, Chairman of Deacons, chairman of finance, and a few more things. The only people I had problems with happened to be women. There were a group of women who tried to run everything. They ran off three youth pastors and three music ministers in 2 1/2 years. Most of them were divorced. The ones who were not had hen pecked husbands. The pastor protected them because the leader of the group is his wife. Gripe about absolutely EVERYTHING!
then maybe the pastor needs to man up. Again, you sound rather disdainful of women period. Now, the elder body should go to the pastor and tell him to tell his wife to stop usurping his role and if he doesn't, then time for a new pastor. If men are feeling "pushed around" by women, then it's because there's a void to be filled and men who won't stand up.
What we have been talking about has nothing to do with leadership, but the vast majority of churches catering to women at the expense of men. Playing overly sentimental songs, putting emotions over intellect, talking about God as a desperate needy being. I'm a women and I find it disturbing how one sided most churches are in their catering to women. And in reality its not doing women any favors either. I know many good christian women, wanting to get married but the lack of men in churches hurts their chances. It may just be time for women to say no more, since we are the audience being catered to. And that means, we need to stop allowing the feminist culture to influence us when it comes to this issue. I noticed that everyone that objected to the idea that churches are overly feminized went with typical feminist talking points, of thinking that what we want is hyper-masculine domineering traits, or thinking its wanting Pastors to tell women to get back into the kitchen.
I was just telling my husband that it is really a culture, headed by men catering to women. And its a hyper-feminine culture. I say that because I as a women find it off putting. What churches really need is to recognize that there is a cultural bias toward women in churches and than address that problem. There are virtues in both the feminine and the masculine, but I honestly can't think of the last time I heard a sermon extolling a masculine virtue. I've heard many a sermons telling men to step up yet not one extolling the virtues of masculinity. But you can bet that tomorrow most churches will be extolling the feminine virtues. Contrast that with the sermon in June lambasting men for failing to do their job.
There is balance that needs to be found. Jesus is both the Lamb, and the Lion, God is both a Tender Father, and a Righteous Judge. And leaning too far one way or another results in another god of our own making.
Once again, I don't know where you all are going to church. We belong to a bible preaching, bible believing IFB church in the middle of "sin city" and NONE of that rubbish goes on there. Maybe you all need to leave the emergent, "seeker-friendly" non-denominational churches and find a church that doesn't play the world's games. That's why we left those churches behind. We'd both had enough of it. The rock bands, the "Jesus is my boyfriend" songs, the "desperate God" sermons...none of that is remotely biblical.
were i am, they are all wishy washy. They have re-configured themselves purposefully to be that way....'give the people what they want' mentality.
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