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The Feminization of Christianity

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Earth Wind and Fire

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Once again, I don't know where you all are going to church. We belong to a bible preaching, bible believing IFB church in the middle of "sin city" and NONE of that rubbish goes on there. Maybe you all need to leave the emergent, "seeker-friendly" non-denominational churches and find a church that doesn't play the world's games. That's why we left those churches behind. We'd both had enough of it. The rock bands, the "Jesus is my boyfriend" songs, the "desperate God" sermons...none of that is remotely biblical.
Right ....its hyper emotionalism rather than biblical. See where I am there was a conscious attempt to move away from Baptist ways , first by changing the names to anything but Baptist, and then changing the music, omitting doctrine, stopping the preaching of the hard issues etc. Even IFB churches began to change....the church I referred to with my brother is IFB.
 

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All the churches Ive been visiting with lately are female dominated......why is that? Does this article come close to explaining it?


The Feminization of Christianity | The Art of Manliness
A nation's wars, I think, are the biggest reason for the female/male imbalance in churches. The first church I remember had a female pastor. It began as a Sunday school during WWII. There were just no men, and the surviving men who returned from the war were content to leave things at the home front the way they were. She "pastored" for nearly 30 years, and in the 70's a man was made pastor who retired just last year.

Today Feminism is the issue, but when looking at the demographics throughout the centuries, one should consider the nurturer-homemaker vs the provider-defender factors.
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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A nation's wars, I think, are the biggest reason for the female/male imbalance in churches. The first church I remember had a female pastor. It began as a Sunday school during WWII. There were just no men, and the surviving men who returned from the war were content to leave things at the home front the way they were. She "pastored" for nearly 30 years, and in the 70's a man was made pastor who retired just last year.

Today Feminism is the issue, but when looking at the demographics throughout the centuries, one should consider the nurturer-homemaker vs the provider-defender factors.

Aaron.......I was raised by a women who lost her husband when she was 38 & had to raise me (at age 12), my brother @ 7 YO,and my sister who had cerebral palsy, raise us without any help.....so I consider her both my mentor & my hero......so I have great respect for her. In fact most of the human beings I respect....indeed love are women. My wife has been with me, both good times & bad with me for over 35 years. She is who I cherish. I tell you the truth, each & all would never ever usurp the authority of the Bible over some worldly system. Rather, these godly women would all want their husbands & children to know & study the Word in all its enlightening instruction. Because w/o that study of the Word, there can be no understanding, and these godly women who I love & honor all knew that. See they all knew the 1st book of scripture Genesis 1:27-28. And it was good. :Wink
 
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blessedwife318

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Once again, I don't know where you all are going to church. We belong to a bible preaching, bible believing IFB church in the middle of "sin city" and NONE of that rubbish goes on there. Maybe you all need to leave the emergent, "seeker-friendly" non-denominational churches and find a church that doesn't play the world's games. That's why we left those churches behind. We'd both had enough of it. The rock bands, the "Jesus is my boyfriend" songs, the "desperate God" sermons...none of that is remotely biblical.
I don't go to a church like that (a blessing living in the middle of nowhere AZ) but I like to keep my pulse on American Christiandom and it is a huge problem that needs to be called out and addressed. I wonder what is the gender makeup of your church? I ask because even the IFB church I went to in Colorado which committed none of the major feminization I've seen in other churches was still about 60% female to 40% male. So at your church do men out number women?

Getting snippy with those that see the problem and are calling it out only adds to the problem. Men here are stepping up and calling out a problem and they still get the legs cut out from under them, being told either to man up, or accused of wanting to dominate women and put them back in the kitchen.

I have to wonder why you are so defensive about this issue?

I'll tell you why I am, because I'm tired of watching my friends who desire marriage kept waiting because of lack of good men. I'm tired of watching men get attacked on both ends of the spectrum just for being men. I still remember being mocked and criticized for wanting to learn more doctrine and theology.

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A nation's wars, I think, are the biggest reason for the female/male imbalance in churches. The first church I remember had a female pastor. It began as a Sunday school during WWII. There were just no men, and the surviving men who returned from the war were content to leave things at the home front the way they were. She "pastored" for nearly 30 years, and in the 70's a man was made pastor who retired just last year.

Today Feminism is the issue, but when looking at the demographics throughout the centuries, one should consider the nurturer-homemaker vs the provider-defender factors.
My 4xgreat granddad who was a confederate veteran married a 20 year old when he was in his seventies. They had kids. Simple reason for the marriage, the imbalance was still so bad 20 years after the war that he was the most eligible bachelor she could find. He was not rich. Simple supply and demand.
 

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I'll tell you what I think of when I talk about the feminization of the church:
Singing Jesus is my boyfriend song. Doesn't matter to me if it's a modern day song or a hymn if it's something that is indesguishable from a love song I don't want to sing it.
Any message that presents God as desperate and needy.
The mind being pitted against the heart and losing, often those who are interested in learning are mocked.

I think those are the big 3 that I have dealt with at one point or another in my Christian life.
Right now the church we go to plays with the line on the songs we sing, but given my husband and I live in the boonies of AZ we are thankful to be within an hour of a church with solid preaching.


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I have yet to meet a Godly woman who views God as needy.

What we seem to be talking about is the lack of doctinally literate churches.
 

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I'm hearing some disdain for women there...I will say it again...if men would step up instead of sitting at home grousing and unable to turn off the TV, there wouldn't be a problem. But, if the men won't step up and act as they should it will be up to us to lead and guide our children and others.

So...quit complaining and either step up even if you get rebuffed or go find another church. OK? Whining and complaining isn't going to change anything...
Indeed, a healthy church rightly treats all members of the body with honor and dignity. Men who follow hard after God's righteousness will find that women walk with them in unity and fellowship. The function of the local church becomes one of loving each other as Christ demonstrated his love toward us. It is a beautiful thing to walk in unity and I am blessed to be in a church where the elderly to the infant are in fellowship and functioning in servanthood with one another.

I have found that insecure men complain most about women God has gifted to be ministers.
 

MennoSota

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Adhering to the plain command of scripture makes one insecure?
It sure seems to be. I see so many men in conservative (legalistic) churches who use the Bible as a whipping post to demand that the rest of the church bow to their particular beliefs. There is so much pride and self-centered behavior being passed on as biblical and pious when it is nothing more than a man being unwilling to lead by serving. Instead they want to lead by demanding and by belittling women.
I have met many selfish "leaders" in legalistic, conservative, churches. I just walk away and pity the congregants.
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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It sure seems to be. I see so many men in conservative (legalistic) churches who use the Bible as a whipping post to demand that the rest of the church bow to their particular beliefs.
Give me some exaples.

There is so much pride and self-centered behavior being passed on as biblical and pious when it is nothing more than a man being unwilling to lead by serving. Instead they want to lead by demanding and by belittling women.
So being biblical is being a bully?!?

I have met many selfish "leaders" in legalistic, conservative, churches. I just walk away and pity the congregants.
And what type of church do you belong to?
 

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And you believe that Women can be ordained & serve as pastors?
I believe that women are given the gift of teaching and evangelism for the edification of the body. I believe that women can be deacons in the church. I believe that women can preach from the pulpit as God has so gifted them.
Must a shepherd of the flock who in charge of caring for the flock be a man? The Bible indicates that this is God's will. That does not mean that women can only use their gifts to minister to other women or children, which I know some legalistic churches teach.
 

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Give me some exaples.

So being biblical is being a bully?!?

And what type of church do you belong to?
There are at least 3 Baptist churches near me where the pastor demands complete allegiance to his will and treats women as though they are second class citizens. They tell the men to demand obedience from their wives to the point that abuse is evident in their church. I cringe at the thought of such a mysogynistic attitude.
 

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There are at least 3 Baptist churches near me where the pastor demands complete allegiance to his will and treats women as though they are second class citizens. They tell the men to demand obedience from their wives to the point that abuse is evident in their church. I cringe at the thought of such a mysogynistic attitude.

Indeed....then someone should point this out to the Pastor ...
Ephesians 5:25
 

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I wonder what is the gender makeup of your church?
It's about 50/50. Lots of couples, lots of families.

Getting snippy with those that see the problem and are calling it out only adds to the problem. Men here are stepping up and calling out a problem and they still get the legs cut out from under them, being told either to man up, or accused of wanting to dominate women and put them back in the kitchen.
Why? Because I have seen this topic come up over and over again on various message boards. The answer seems to be rather simple...if you see an issue, instead of talking about it, fussing about it, DO something about it. Whether it's confronting the pastor with the problem or shaking the dust off your feet and going elsewhere, it doesn't matter. Also, stop making generalities about "the whatever of Christianity" when the truth is, you're talking only about your little corner of the world. I mean, if I can find and be a member of a strong bible-preaching, bible-believing church smack in the middle of sin city, then you too can find a proper church.

[QUOTE="blessedwife318, post: 2316064, member: 12221" I still remember being mocked and criticized for wanting to learn more doctrine and theology.[/QUOTE]

That's funny...I have a BA in biblical studies. Told the pastor about it...he was thrilled! I'll be teaching women's bible studies this fall.
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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I believe that women are given the gift of teaching and evangelism for the edification of the body. I believe that women can be deacons in the church. I believe that women can preach from the pulpit as God has so gifted them.
Must a shepherd of the flock who in charge of caring for the flock be a man? The Bible indicates that this is God's will. That does not mean that women can only use their gifts to minister to other women or children, which I know some legalistic churches teach.

The baptist church that I go to has women deacons, but not elders or pastors...interpret it as you will but it is an arguing point for many.

This is a good article by 9marks to read.....some of these points I am honestly on the fence about. (I was a PCUSA guy for years & saw first hand their eventual demise by the ordination of women).....but you can draw your own conclusions.

May Women Serve as Pastors?
 
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Earth Wind and Fire

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I mean, if I can find and be a member of a strong bible-preaching, bible-believing church smack in the middle of sin city, then you too can find a proper church.

Perhaps that's why you have been successful in finding a biblical church.....because you are in the middle of a sinful area & the people who are not sinners have to huddle together.

As I stated earlier, my own brother is a Pastor & he confronted the Pastor of an IFB in Northern NJ & the consequence was to be thrown out. I am not invited back to some of these same churches for also calling these guys out for the lack of Biblical teaching & practice.....soooo :Whistling
 

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As I stated earlier, my own brother is a Pastor & he confronted the Pastor of an IFB in Northern NJ & the consequence was to be thrown out. I am not invited back to some of these same churches for also calling these guys out for the lack of Biblical teaching & practice.....soooo

Then maybe it's time to plant a church. Again...instead of fussing, take action. It's easy to fuss, hard to take action. As I would tell my children when they would fuss about something...can you change it? If you can, then do it. If you can't then quit fussing. When it comes to faith/church stuff, you can change things...plant a church, start a house church with other like-minded folks.
 
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