The first brick hasn’t been set, and Trump’s border wall is already going south on him

[StefanM]

I don't want to feed the diversion from the topic, but in hopes of bringing some resolution--

When I'm referring to a "good President," I'm referring to a President whose overall performance aligns with my preferences. I don't want to get more specific than that because we'd just end up derailing the thread by debating our preferences.

 

[Happy]

I don't want to feed the diversion from the topic, but in hopes of bringing some resolution--

When I'm referring to a "good President," I'm referring to a President whose overall performance aligns with my preferences. I don't want to get more specific than that because we'd just end up derailing the thread by debating our preferences.

Thanks for your response.

 

[church mouse guy]

This is when Trump needs a strong Chief of Staff who can talk to him privately and tell him to let this one go. It is politically a disaster waiting to happen.


Mexico won't pay for it. Democrats hate it. Border-state Republicans don't like it. Congressional Republican leaders would rather not undertake it. There could be an avoidable government shutdown over it.

And yet President Trump's budget director is pushing Congress to spend $1.4 billion to start building his wall along the U.S.-Mexico border.

The political tension could backfire for the president. Trump's insistence on a wall is increasingly doing what some had warned it would do: It's undermining his relationship with Congress, it's putting Republican leaders in a no-win scenario on whether to fund it and it could potentially derail the president's ability to get anything else done.

Analysis | The first brick hasn’t been set, and Trump’s border wall is already going south on him

There's nothing wrong with a wall--Mexico has one to keep people from Guatemala out of Mexico and the New Jerusalem has a wall--and Mexico will benefit as well from a wall because the criminal activity along the US border will be stymied. Of course, both US political parties want cheap labor so it is up hill all the way and the Democrats think that Latinos are suckers for voting Democrat, except for those pesky Cubans who remember JFK and hate socialism/communism so the Democrats don't want any Cubans in this country no matter how cheap they will work if they are going to vote GOP upon becoming citizens. As for rich Mexicans, they want to export their political problems to the USA and that means pushing out the needy and the unemployed to the USA. As far as I know the Mexican border has been open for 100 years, perhaps always, but certainly since the bloody Mexican revolution.

 

[Shadowlands]

I wouldn't fret. President Trump is first and foremost, an experienced businessman,
and the President second. He's shrewd. He knows how to purposely placate his
opponents while waiting to make his next move. While the The Dem's and their
allies among the establishment GOP (RINO'S) behave like a bunch of cackling
hens who think they won something in the intirm, Mr. Trump is contemplating
his next strategy. It's all smoke and mirrors.

The Dem's and the RINO's have no idea who they're messing with.

 

[Baptist Believer]

There's nothing wrong with a wall--Mexico has one to keep people from Guatemala out of Mexico...

Actually, that is false. You have been misled.

...and the New Jerusalem has a wall...

IF it is a literal wall and not a symbol of a greater reality, then you have a point. But God will build that wall, not us.

 

[church mouse guy]

Actually, that is false. You have been misled.


IF it is a literal wall and not a symbol of a greater reality, then you have a point. But God will build that wall, not us.

Those are not the pictures that I saw, but I wondered at the story at the time because I read a lot of Latin American news and never heard of such a wall. My extensive travels in Mexico were years ago. However, it is well-known that Mexico is quite hostile to illegal immigrants such as American alcoholics and drug addicts and such as people from Guatemala. I am quite elderly but when I lived on the border people from Mexico wanted freedom from the repressive and corrupt Mexican government and never wanted to go back to Mexico and loved America. I don't think that that is true anymore. I think that illegal immigrants would go somewhere else if another country were the richest in the world and also had a modicum of liberty.

Of course, as you say, God will build the wall around the New Jerusalem. The only thing in Heaven that will be made by human hands will be the scars of the nails in the hands of Jesus and maybe the Ark.

If a wall is good enough for God, then there is nothing wrong with my having a wall in my attempt to be like Jesus. All rich Americas have walls around their property. Of course, it is the rich who want the cheap labor to augment their own wealth and want the easy votes to build their power.

Mexico narrowly defeated a communist candidate for President and Cuba has had murderous communist repression since 1959, as you know, under the "charismatic" psychopathic Castro brothers. Now we see other Latin America states falling under the total depravity of socialism such as Venezuela, Nicaragua, Ecuador, and Bolivia. And then you have openly fascist Argentina, another example of failed Italian style socialism, where two Iranian terrorist attacks against Jews have gone unpunished for over twenty years.

It seems that the Democrats dislike Cuban refugees for political reasons and therefore turn away from the murder of the Cuban government since 1959 and instead celebrate the collapsing buildings of Havana and the old cars driven over the filthy streets of Cuba.

So there are immigrants and there are immigrants. It is all about money and political power. After all Americans are getting rich from selling baby parts and Cubans got rich selling the blood of their victims who were drained of their blood before getting shot without benefit of trial or clergy, but Fidel was so charismatic--just like Stalin.

 

[Crabtownboy]

There's nothing wrong with a wall--Mexico has one to keep people from Guatemala out of Mexico.

Totally false. There is no wall between Mexico and Guatemala.

 

[Happy]

The first brick hasn’t been set, and Trump’s border wall is already going south on him

Newsflash ~ The southern border IS a HUGE problem for LEGAL US citizens.

Newsflash ~ The US has been bombarded BY ILLEGAL residents IN the US who aside from being CRIMINALS, are LOUD in their voice of OPPOSING a US - MEXICAN border wall.

Opinion ~ LEGAL US Citizens WHO oppose the US taking measures to ENFORCE US immigration Laws and or take measures to SECURE the US boundaries from INVASION, as an officer of the US promises by OATH to do,
are no more than SUPPORTERS (and in many cases accomplices) of ILLEGAL activity perpetuated by foreigners against the US and it's LEGAL occupants.

 

[InTheLight]

The vast, volatile 23rd Congressional District of Texas is bigger in area than 29 states. It stretches from San Antonio to El Paso and includes about one-third of the entire U.S.-Mexico border.

Its overwhelmingly Latino electorate last year went for Democrat Hillary Clinton in the presidential race. But it also reelected a Republican to the U.S. House — one of fewer than two dozen in the country to split that way.

Rep. Will Hurd narrowly won a second term in what turned out to be the most expensive House race in Texas history. Democrats have put Hurd’s seat in their top five targets in 2018.

Chief among the issues where Hurd is at odds with Donald Trump is on the president’s signature campaign promise — the construction of a border wall, which would cover 820 miles in the 23rd District, much of it on private property. Trump is stepping up pressure on Congress to include money for the wall in a must-pass funding bill needed to keep the government open beyond Friday.

The congressman has been one of the most outspoken Republican critics of that proposal. Hurd says it would be an inefficient, impractical and wasteful “one-size-fits-all” means of controlling illegal immigration and reducing crime.

In Hurd’s district and elsewhere throughout the state, support for enhancing border security runs strong. But there are also fears that a physical wall would violate the property rights that Texans hold dear, and be a kick in the gut to a regional economy heavily dependent on cross-border trade.

A reelection challenge (almost) as big as Texas

 

[Happy]

Totally false. There is no wall between Mexico and Guatemala.

Semantics!

Wall is not the operative understanding, attempting to CONTROL a border is precisely the Point.

Wall, fences, guards, rivers, thickets, warnings, consequences..... the point is it is obvious Mexico attempts to keep ILLEGAL foreigners from crossing their southern borders WHILE criticizing and whining that the US is doing the same to Mexico's citizens regarding the US's southern border; and perpetuating a psychobabble ideal that their opinion matters, when it doesn't!


The Guatemala–Mexico border is the international border between Guatemala and Mexico. There is no continuous wall on the border, although there are sections of fence near populated areas and official border crossings. Guatemala–Mexico border - Wikipedia

 

[Happy]

The vast, volatile 23rd Congressional District of Texas is bigger in area than 29 states. It stretches from San Antonio to El Paso and includes about one-third of the entire U.S.-Mexico border.

Its overwhelmingly Latino electorate last year went for Democrat Hillary Clinton in the presidential race. But it also reelected a Republican to the U.S. House — one of fewer than two dozen in the country to split that way.

Rep. Will Hurd narrowly won a second term in what turned out to be the most expensive House race in Texas history. Democrats have put Hurd’s seat in their top five targets in 2018.

Chief among the issues where Hurd is at odds with Donald Trump is on the president’s signature campaign promise — the construction of a border wall, which would cover 820 miles in the 23rd District, much of it on private property. Trump is stepping up pressure on Congress to include money for the wall in a must-pass funding bill needed to keep the government open beyond Friday.

The congressman has been one of the most outspoken Republican critics of that proposal. Hurd says it would be an inefficient, impractical and wasteful “one-size-fits-all” means of controlling illegal immigration and reducing crime.

In Hurd’s district and elsewhere throughout the state, support for enhancing border security runs strong. But there are also fears that a physical wall would violate the property rights that Texans hold dear, and be a kick in the gut to a regional economy heavily dependent on cross-border trade.

A reelection challenge (almost) as big as Texas

The congressman has been one of the most outspoken Republican critics of that proposal. Hurd says it would be an inefficient, impractical and wasteful “one-size-fits-all” means of controlling illegal immigration and reducing crime.

If one foreigner attempting criminal activity can not get passed the wall ~ that is one less crime being perpetuated against AMERICA and AMERICANS.

If one man can CHANGE the world, one LESS criminal in the US can as well, make a huge CHANGE.

 

[church mouse guy]

Semantics!

Wall is not the operative understanding, attempting to CONTROL a border is precisely the Point.

Wall, fences, guards, rivers, thickets, warnings, consequences..... the point is it is obvious Mexico attempts to keep ILLEGAL foreigners from crossing their southern borders WHILE criticizing and whining that the US is doing the same to Mexico's citizens regarding the US's southern border; and perpetuating a psychobabble ideal that their opinion matters, when it doesn't!


The Guatemala–Mexico border is the international border between Guatemala and Mexico. There is no continuous wall on the border, although there are sections of fence near populated areas and official border crossings. Guatemala–Mexico border - Wikipedia

Thanks. I know that I did not see the pictures that Crabtown posted so I must have seen pictures of the partial sections of metal fencing. I know from extensive travelling in Mexico that one cannot overstay the type of temporary passes that I bought to visit Mexico decades ago when the PRI political party kept the peace in the one-party state. It is well-known that Mexico does not invite Guatemalans into Mexico and does not allow them to stay if they are illegal.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Semantics!

Wall is not the operative understanding, attempting to CONTROL a border is precisely the Point.

Wall, fences, guards, rivers, thickets, warnings, consequences..... the point is it is obvious Mexico attempts to keep ILLEGAL foreigners from crossing their southern borders WHILE criticizing and whining that the US is doing the same to Mexico's citizens regarding the US's southern border; and perpetuating a psychobabble ideal that their opinion matters, when it doesn't!


The Guatemala–Mexico border is the international border between Guatemala and Mexico. There is no continuous wall on the border, although there are sections of fence near populated areas and official border crossings. Guatemala–Mexico border - Wikipedia

Yes, there is no wall. No real barriers.

A few facts:

- The border between Mexico and Guatemala is 541 miles long and meanders through rain forests for much of its length. The only barriers on the borders are the occasional fences at border crossings in populated areas. The border is classified as “porous” by reliable news sources, and the Snopes article which says:

Mexico’s southern border with Guatemala is notoriously porous. Unlike the U.S.-Mexico border, which is sewed up with a massive fence and guarded by armed border agents, drones, and cameras, Mexico’s southern border is almost imperceptible.

Residents on both sides of the border circumvent the official border crossing by paying a few pesos to get pushed across the slowly flowing Suchiate River on makeshift inner-tube rafts.

Mexico's Great Wall At Border With Guatemala

 

[church mouse guy]

Here is a picture of the wall guarding the New Jerusalem:

Revelation 21:17 (KJV) And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred [and] forty [and] four cubits, [according to] the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.
18 And the building of the wall of it was [of] jasper: and the city [was] pure gold, like unto clear glass.
19 And the foundations of the wall of the city [were] garnished with all manner of precious stones. The first foundation [was] jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, a chalcedony; the fourth, an emerald;
20 The fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh, chrysolite; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, a topaz; the tenth, a chrysoprasus; the eleventh, a jacinth; the twelfth, an amethyst.
21 And the twelve gates [were] twelve pearls; every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city [was] pure gold, as it were transparent glass.

 

[InTheLight]

Semantics!

Wall is not the operative understanding, attempting to CONTROL a border is precisely the Point.

In his famous speech in Phoenix last August Trump said he was going to build a wall, a great "big imprenetable physical wall with above and below ground sensors." In many, many speeches he's made it clear it was going to be a physically constructed wall.

 

[Happy]

Thanks. I know that I did not see the pictures that Crabtown posted so I must have seen pictures of the partial sections of metal fencing. I know from extensive travelling in Mexico that one cannot overstay the type of temporary passes that I bought to visit Mexico decades ago when the PRI political party kept the peace in the one-party state. It is well-known that Mexico does not invite Guatemalans into Mexico and does not allow them to stay if they are illegal.

U R Welcome.

Truth is truth. Countries have an obligation to control their own borders. How they do it is per their own devices.

And the fact is; the US is full of foreigners WHO came to the US illegally and are opposed to preventative measures that thwarts illegal passage into the US.

And the fact is: the US, gives food, water, clothing, housing, medical, dental attention to foreign criminals who illegally enter and are caught in the US.....AND deportation "papers", without actual "deportation", in numerous cases.

And the fact is: Mexico's treatment of illegal aliens caught crossing Mexico's southern border is nothing to brag about.
Mexico’s Ley General de Población and that alone does not speak to the rapes and abuse, by Mexican "officials", of illegal foreigners entering Mexico's southern border,

 

[Happy]

In his famous speech in Phoenix last August Trump said he was going to build a wall, a great "big imprenetable physical wall with above and below ground sensors." In many, many speeches he's made it clear it was going to be a physically constructed wall.

And? Who said otherwise? My point was clear, countries DO try to take preventative measures to thwart illegal entry into their countries. Call it a wall, a fence, a river, guards, forest, bushes, whatever; the intent is to have a BARRIER.

You seem to not be keyed in to the point is a BARRIER not ONLY a WALL, but multiple measures, whether it be in the US, or another country, or by surveillance of water ways.

Trump speaks of building a WALL and increased GUARDS and TECHNOLOGY. Good for him. I agree. Since there are numerous openings between the US and Mexico and WATER STATIONS for the illegals!

Stopping illegal border activity with a Welcome station and Blind eye, IS not enforcing the LAW.

I applaud Trump in his efforts to ENFORCE the LAW, per multiple measures.

 

[Baptist Believer]

Semantics!

Wall is not the operative understanding, attempting to CONTROL a border is precisely the Point.

I have never had an issue with controlling the border, but President Trump is not talking about simply controlling the border, he is talking about a LITERAL "big, beautiful(sic) wall."

The Guatemala–Mexico border is the international border between Guatemala and Mexico. There is no continuous wall on the border, although there are sections of fence near populated areas and official border crossings. Guatemala–Mexico border - Wikipedia

So if that's the standard, then we already have everything they do, and more. No need for a wall.

Have you ever visited the Texas-Mexico border?

 

[Baptist Believer]

And? Who said otherwise?

You did. You claimed it was a matter of "semantics!"

Semantics = "the language used (as in advertising or political propaganda) to achieve a desired effect on an audience especially through the use of words with novel or dual meanings."

You stirred my heart with the "truth is truth" comment a few posts ago. Let's live by that.

 

[InTheLight]

And? Who said otherwise?

Um...you did. You said that "wall" was semantics, that controlling the border was the important thing.Sure, but that's not what Trump said for almost 2 years now. A great big beautiful physical wall stretching across our southern border with Mexico paying for it has been his statements.