The Five Solas

[kyredneck]

Martin Luther and his followers expressed the importance of the doctrine of justification by faith alone by teaching that it is “the article by which the church stands or falls.” Was Luther correct in affirming the central importance of this doctrine?

Luther was wrong. Justification by faith only is not only unscriptural, it's ANTI-scriptural:

24 Ye see that by works a man is justified, and not only by faith. Ja 2

Of course Luther also believed the book of James should not be included in the canon.

 

[Yeshua1]

Based on John 1:2, John 1:18 and Proverbs 30:4, by which I believe He was always the Son of God. And based on John 1:3 He was always the uncaused Cause on behalf His Father. That the Persons of the Trinity being co-equal as the one and the same God have no beginning as the Persons, the Father, Son of God and Holy Spirit.

So eternally the Son, but not begotten is your view, correct?

 

[Yeshua1]

Luther was wrong. Justification by faith only is not only unscriptural, it's ANTI-scriptural:

24 Ye see that by works a man is justified, and not only by faith. Ja 2

Of course Luther also believed the book of James should not be included in the canon.

Good works have NOTHING to do with Justification!

 

[kyredneck]

Good works have NOTHING to do with Justification!

???

5 but after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up for thyself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
6 who will render to every man according to his works:
7 to them that by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and incorruption, eternal life:
10 but glory and honor and peace to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Greek:
13 for not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified: Ro 2

 

[37818]

So eternally the Son, but not begotten is your view, correct?

Yes.

 

[MB]

I am not really sure that this even belongs in the Calvinism & Arminianism Debate section, since the 5 Solas are Protestant vs Catholic and not a "Calvinist" thing at all. However the level of general misunderstanding about what the Reformers meant requires someplace for the truth to be told and defended. So here we go.

Calvinism Could not exist with out philosophy. They call there philosophy "interpretation"although claiming scripture alone is laughable. Because as you can see it is not alone. Philosophy or interpretation is always involved So scripture alone is not true.
MB

 

[Yeshua1]

Yes.

Was he the Word of the Father before Incarnation?

 

[37818]

Was he the Word of the Father before Incarnation?

He was always the Son and always the Word, John 1:1, Revelation 19:13.

 

[MB]

Was he the Word of the Father before Incarnation?

Are you becoming a JW Because this is what JW"S believe that Christ was a created being.
MB

 

[Yeshua1]

Are you becoming a JW Because this is what JW"S believe that Christ was a created being.
MB

No, know Jesus was and is God!

 

[Dave G]

Calvinism Could not exist with out philosophy. They call there philosophy "interpretation"although claiming scripture alone is laughable. Because as you can see it is not alone. Philosophy or interpretation is always involved So scripture alone is not true.

MB...

Respectfully,
We've covered the Scriptures repeatedly that have to do with God choosing the sinner to salvation ( 2 Thessalonians 2:13 ),
so where you get the idea that it's vain philosophy, I do not know.
I've also shown you, many times, the Scriptures alone that detail how and why people are saved by God's grace alone.

There is nothing that I have stated that does not come from the words on the page either in context with itself, or in context with other parts of God's word.
I don't feel the need to go outside of God's word in order to explain it.

Scripture alone, or "Sola Scriptura", is yet another truth of the Bible.
I trust Him and Him alone...
Him and His words alone.

The teachings of John Calvin don't even enter anywhere in to my thought processes or my understanding of His words.

 

[MB]

MB...

Respectfully,
We've covered the Scriptures repeatedly that have to do with God choosing the sinner to salvation ( 2 Thessalonians 2:13 ),
so where you get the idea that it's vain philosophy, I do not know.
I've also shown you, many times, the Scriptures alone that detail how and why people are saved by God's grace alone.

I did not call it Vain this is your input. Just like you do scripture you add to it your philosophy.
The idea is obvious by this very post that you add to things you shouldn't. It creates a false ideas.

There is nothing that I have stated that does not come from the words on the page either in context with itself, or in context with other parts of God's word.
I don't feel the need to go outside of God's word in order to explain it.

Yet you do or you would not be a Calvinist Because you take the word "Philosophy" to be "Vain". I didn't call it Vain you did that. You may not add to the verse but you interpretation does. Often taking the verse in a different direction than what was intended

Scripture alone, or "Sola Scriptura", is yet another truth of the Bible.
I trust Him and Him alone...
Him and His words alone.

The teachings of John Calvin don't even enter anywhere in to my thought processes or my understanding of His words.

This last paragraph you know this is not true sir You can't be a Calvinist with out Dear John Calvin.And the tulip

MB

 

[MB]

Luther was wrong. Justification by faith only is not only unscriptural, it's ANTI-scriptural:

24 Ye see that by works a man is justified, and not only by faith. Ja 2

Of course Luther also believed the book of James should not be included in the canon.

So is scripture liying about being Justified by faith.
Rom_5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
MB

 

[kyredneck]

So is scripture liying about being Justified by faith.

No. Justification by faith alone is a lie. It's actually adding to the scripture.

Peruse all these 'justifications' from Romans alone:

13 for not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified: Ro 2
24 being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Ro 3
1 Being therefore justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ;
9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, shall we be saved from the wrath of God through him. Ro 5
33 Who shall lay anything to the charge of God`s elect? It is God that justifieth; Ro 8

Justified by our faith alone? Not!

 

[atpollard]

You can't be a Calvinist with out Dear John Calvin.And the tulip

1372 Jan Hus born
1384 John Wycliffe (proto-Reformer) executed: taught "predestination", "salvation by grace alone"; opposed sacraments and Papacy.
1415 Jan Hus (Protestant) burned at the stake while singing Hymns for continuing Wycliffe teachings.
1483 Martin Luther born
1484 Huldrych Zwingli born
1509 John Calvin born
1517-1521 Martin Luther (Protestant) teaches "salvation by grace alone through faith alone", "predestination to salvation"
1520-1530 John Calvin converts from Catholic to Protestant
1520 Huldrych Zwingli began preaching Reformation (Sola Scriptura, reject sacraments, predestination)
1531 Huldrych Zwingli died on battlefield
1546 Martin Luther died
1564 John Calvin died
1570 First use of word "Calvinism"
1611 Counter Remonstrance of 1611 outline the 5 truths that will later come to be known as"T.U.L.I.P."
1618-1619 Synod of Dort responds to 5 Remonstrances
1905 Cleland Boyd McAfee first uses acronym "T.U.L.I.P."
1932 first book to use the acronym "T.U.L.I.P." was The Reformed Doctrine of Predestination
1963 the acronym "T.U.L.I.P." popularized in booklet The Five Points of Calvinism Defined, Defended, Documented

You may want to rethink your assumptions.

 

[kyredneck]

You may want to rethink your assumptions.

ROFL!! Don't hold your breath. MB is ate up with Calvinist Derangement Syndrome (as are some others on this board). 'Rethinking' not in the cards.

 

[MB]

No. Justification by faith alone is a lie. It's actually adding to the scripture.

Peruse all these 'justifications' from Romans alone:

13 for not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified: Ro 2
24 being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Ro 3
1 Being therefore justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ;
9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, shall we be saved from the wrath of God through him. Ro 5
33 Who shall lay anything to the charge of God`s elect? It is God that justifieth; Ro 8

Justified by our faith alone? Not!

True we are justified by more than one thing Grace and faith being the most important.
MB

 

[MB]

1372 Jan Hus born
1384 John Wycliffe (proto-Reformer) executed: taught "predestination", "salvation by grace alone"; opposed sacraments and Papacy.
1415 Jan Hus (Protestant) burned at the stake while singing Hymns for continuing Wycliffe teachings.
1483 Martin Luther born
1484 Huldrych Zwingli born
1509 John Calvin born
1517-1521 Martin Luther (Protestant) teaches "salvation by grace alone through faith alone", "predestination to salvation"
1520-1530 John Calvin converts from Catholic to Protestant
1520 Huldrych Zwingli began preaching Reformation (Sola Scriptura, reject sacraments, predestination)
1531 Huldrych Zwingli died on battlefield
1546 Martin Luther died
1564 John Calvin died
1570 First use of word "Calvinism"
1611 Counter Remonstrance of 1611 outline the 5 truths that will later come to be known as"T.U.L.I.P."
1618-1619 Synod of Dort responds to 5 Remonstrances
1905 Cleland Boyd McAfee first uses acronym "T.U.L.I.P."
1932 first book to use the acronym "T.U.L.I.P." was The Reformed Doctrine of Predestination
1963 the acronym "T.U.L.I.P." popularized in booklet The Five Points of Calvinism Defined, Defended, Documented

You may want to rethink your assumptions.

The tulip sir is not found in scripture when the context is taken as a whole of the truth. For instance. Election of your self.You cannot prove you are elected there for you do not know that you are. Scripture never says Gentiles are elected by God as is the Jews. What you have presented is nothing more than your own assumptions. Your own Philosophy.
MB

 

[kyredneck]

Grace and faith being the most important.

Considering that we're all going to be judged by our works at the Judgment, where does it say "grace and faith being the most important'?

 

[MB]

ROFL!! Don't hold your breath. MB is ate up with Calvinist Derangement Syndrome (as are some others on this board). 'Rethinking' not in the cards.

No because I do not believe in Philosophy.
MB