The flaws of the KVJ

[Logos1560]

the NKJV is just an imitation of the Word of God and has just as many flaws as does the KJV

The NKJV is the word of God translated into English in the same sense or in the same way that the KJV is the word of God translated into English. The NKJV is both a revision of the KJV and a translation of the preserved Scriptures in the original languages in the same way that the KJV is both a revision of the pre-1611 English Bibles and a translation of the preserved Scriptures in the original languages. The NKJV is not an imitation unless the KJV is also an imitation since they are both Bible translations in the same sense.

The NKJV corrects many inaccurate renderings in the KJV so that it is likely more accurate overall than the KJV is, especially considering the archaic language in the KJV that misleads present-day readers in some places.

 

[Logos1560]

You know what I think. I think you are blowing smoke.

You may think and assume incorrectly.

You try to oversimplify and overgeneralize about the complex matters of textual criticism and Bible translation. The Scriptures do not state or teach that Bible translations are made the the same supernatural process of inspiration of God that was the way that God gave the original language Scriptures to the prophets and apostles.

Attempting to assume perfection for the KJV by use of the fallacy of begging the question may be the simple way out for trying to avoid dealing with all the relevant facts and the complexity of Bible translation.

 

[robycop3]

Yet another denial of the obvious and a pathetic effort to hide your false witness. You again claim I claimed the KJV had deep flaws. Did I say the KJV does not have "a few goofs?" Nope It has dozens of them. So if you take the original goofs then add the outdated word choices, you get a deeply flawed translation. Anyone who denies the obvious is "full of baloney."

Well, you DID just claim it in posts # 108 & 109. Now, WHO just bore false witness above?

 

[MB]

You do not know that to be a fact. You may assume or suppose it by use of the fallacy of begging the question or by blind trust in the subjective opinions of men. Those whom you claim to be "experts" are probably biased KJV-only advocates whose subjective opinions you may blind trust.

Most experts do not claim that the KJV is the most accurate.

You hate anyone who uses the KJV. By bringing up onlyism you have suggested I'm KJV only which is bull. I use other versions and I do not worship the KJV. I use it because it's what I was raised with/ At least I'm not a New ager like your self pretending to know all there is to know.
MB.

 

[robycop3]

Prove it. I doubt you can show 3 goofs in each of your 5 favorite translations. You are just saying what you have heard someone else say and now you enjoy hearing yourself say it. You have no clue what you are talking about.

If you can identify the goofs you can fix them and you can have a goof free translation. That is simple logic and sound reasoning.

EASY to prove you wrong !

In the NKJV-Ex. 16:28 "And the LORD said to Moses, "How long do you refuse to keep My commandments and My laws?"
The KJV has it right by reading "How long refuse YE...?" God was addressing Moses but referring to all Israel. Moses was keeping God's law, while the general population was not.

In the NASV, in Phil. 4:13, the name "Christ" is replaced with "Him".

And in the ESV-Phil. 2:6 "who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped,"

Again, the KJV is more-correct-"Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:"

Yes, I, or anyone else here could go on a witch hunt to find goofs in every English Bible translation out there, but I won't, as I'm sure every version has a few goofs & booboos, being that they're the product of imperfect men's handling of God's perfect word. But only the KJVOs claim their pet version is perfect, a claim that even its makers didn't assert.

YOU are the person here who doesn't know what he's talking about.

 

[Logos1560]

You hate anyone who uses the KJV.

I do not hate anyone who uses the KJV as you incorrectly allege. I have read and used the KJV over 50 years. I am not a New ager.

 

[Baptist4life]

I think some of you guys would argue with a mirror.

 

[MB]

You may think and assume incorrectly.

You try to oversimplify and overgeneralize about the complex matters of textual criticism and Bible translation. The Scriptures do not state or teach that Bible translations are made the the same supernatural process of inspiration of God that was the way that God gave the original language Scriptures to the prophets and apostles.

Attempting to assume perfection for the KJV by use of the fallacy of begging the question may be the simple way out for trying to avoid dealing with all the relevant facts and the complexity of Bible translation.

Let me get this straight first. Those who use the critical text as a measure of truth are horribly miss led No one needs a particular formula to figure out what God's word says
Unless you consider your opinion a relevant fact you haven't presented one thing other than your opinion. Of which is biased by your dislike of anyone who uses the KJV. I suppose I shouldn't expect anything else from a new ager.. You are full of warnings about the KJV. When you can't prove the KJV hasn't given men the gospel truth. .
The Bible is not complex, The critical text was translated by men who were occultist and practice the dark arts and you believe them instead. The critical text is not a reliable
I don't claim the KJV was inspired and directed by God Him Self but it certainly isn't what you claim it is.
MB

 

[MB]

I think some of you guys would argue with a mirror.

While this maybe true although mirrors do not reply. This fact would take all the fun out of the arguement. LOL

MB

 

[MB]

I do not hate anyone who uses the KJV as you incorrectly allege. I have read and used the KJV over 50 years. I am not a New ager.

I'm surprised! But why would you read something you believe is so corrupt? Do you consider your self above being deceived by the terrible KJV?

MB

 

[Van]

Well, you DID just claim it in posts # 108 & 109. Now, WHO just bore false witness above?

The old "reverse the charges" ploy. People too insecure to admit error are the bane of this board...

 

[Van]

1John 5:7 (KJV) For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. (TR)

1John 5:7 (NKJV) For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one. (TR)

1 John 5:7 (WEB) For there are three who testify: (MT)

1 John 5:7 (NASB) For there are three that testify: (CT)

How many flaws does it take to constitute deeply flawed? A dozen? Two dozen? I think over two dozen obvious flaws, i.e. less than the best choices available, such as using outdated words, qualifies as deeply flawed. And yes, I am pretty sure some posters would deny even three dozen flaws constitutes deeply flawed. No matter the number, these posters would claim "not enough." And some KJVO folks might claim there are zero flaws in the KJV. Go figure.

 

[MB]

The old "reverse the charges" ploy. People too insecure to admit error are the bane of this board...

I'm sorry Van. You see true Faith prevents Change. When a man changes his theology he is wavering in it. The KJV holds my theology. You haven't shown anything that proves the KJV to be as you claim. If you consider it to be in complete error stop reading it.
MB

 

[Van]

How does Acts 3:16 read in the deeply flawed KJV?
"And his name through faith in his name hath made this man strong, whom ye see and know: yea, the faith which is by him hath given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all."

And how should it read?
Based on faith in His name, the man,
whom you see and know, has been strengthened.
Faith in His name, through Him, gave him
unimpairment in the presence of all of you.

Note in this KJV blunder, the idea is changed from "through Him" to through faith. Not how it reads..

 

[Van]

I'm sorry Van. You see true Faith prevents Change. When a man changes his theology he is wavering in it. The KJV holds my theology. You haven't shown anything that proves the KJV to be as you claim. If you consider it to be in complete error stop reading it.
MB

It would be a miracle if you stopped finding fault with other posters, and presented on topic posts.
1) The KJV is deeply flawed. It is hard for many readers to understand, but if they used the NKJV or the WEB, or the NASB, they might get much more out of their efforts.

2) The KJV is deeply flawed. Many of the words used in the 1600's and 1700's are now out-dated and some today mean something other than the meaning when chosen hundreds of years ago.

 

[MB]

1John 5:7 (KJV) For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. (TR)

1John 5:7 (NKJV) For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one. (TR)

1 John 5:7 (WEB) For there are three who testify: (MT)

1 John 5:7 (NASB) For there are three that testify: (CT)

How many flaws does it take to constitute deeply flawed? A dozen? Two dozen? I think over two dozen obvious flaws, i.e. less than the best choices available, such as using outdated words, qualifies as deeply flawed. And yes, I am pretty sure some posters would deny even three dozen flaws constitutes deeply flawed. No matter the number, these posters would claim "not enough." And some KJVO folks might claim there are zero flaws in the KJV. Go figure.

How is it you know the NASB and the WEB is correct. Is it not true that the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost are one.?The only three in heaven that bare witness are God
The modern KJV states 1st Jn 5:7 like this
1Jn 5:7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit, and these three are one.
The underlined above is in Italics This tells us it was added to show us who is being discussed.
MB

 

[MB]

It would be a miracle if you stopped finding fault with other posters, and presented on topic posts.
1) The KJV is deeply flawed. It is hard for many readers to understand, but if they used the NKJV or the WEB, or the NASB, they might get much more out of their efforts.

2) The KJV is deeply flawed. Many of the words used in the 1600's and 1700's are now out-dated and some today mean something other than the meaning when chosen hundreds of years ago.

Again your just blowing steam

 

[JD731]

1John 5:7 (KJV) For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. (TR)

1John 5:7 (NKJV) For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one. (TR)

1 John 5:7 (WEB) For there are three who testify: (MT)

1 John 5:7 (NASB) For there are three that testify: (CT)

How many flaws does it take to constitute deeply flawed? A dozen? Two dozen? I think over two dozen obvious flaws, i.e. less than the best choices available, such as using outdated words, qualifies as deeply flawed. And yes, I am pretty sure some posters would deny even three dozen flaws constitutes deeply flawed. No matter the number, these posters would claim "not enough."

How do you know what goes on in heaven? Have you been there? Here is more of the quote from 1 John 5.
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1 Jn 5:4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.
7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.
10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding (about being born again as the children of God), that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
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The point of this whole section is to show the oneness of God in the physical and the spiritual and how the possession of Christ in the person of the Holy Spirit in the body of the believer unites that believer with the trinitarian God, thus making the believer a trinity as well with all the godhead involved. This is possible because Christ is spirit as well as physical and he is from heaven and from earth and your omission of certain words obscures things we need to learn from this passage. He is the person who makes God and man one through a new birth that could not be achieved without him.

I think your omissions in your favorite books are more than a little bit wrong. I do not think you can get understanding that are in these words from your books.

 

[Van]

How is it you know the NASB and the WEB is correct. Is it not true that the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost are one.?The only three in heaven that bare witness are God
The modern KJV states 1st Jn 5:7 like this
1Jn 5:7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit, and these three are one.
The underlined above is in Italics This tells us it was added to show us who is being discussed.
MB

As predicted, 1 John 5:7 as presented in the TR is claimed to actually reflect God's inspired words. There is nothing more to say...

 

[Van]

Again your just blowing steam

Yet another off topic post of disparagement.