Revmitchell
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Zenas
These posts are absurd.
Really....the Mormons speak of jesus....lucifers half brother..
Jw's speak of jesus...who used to be Michael the arch angel....
sorry to offer a bible verse instead of an "event"
4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
with no bible you do not have the biblical Jesus. Neither of you understand biblical authority to post so foolishly. People wonder why these mega church ministries get rejected.....this is the fruit of turning from revealed truth
Zenas
These posts are absurd.
Really....the Mormons speak of jesus....lucifers half brother..
Jw's speak of jesus...who used to be Michael the arch angel....
sorry to offer a bible verse instead of an "event"
4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
with no bible you do not have the biblical Jesus. Neither of you understand biblical authority to post so foolishly. People wonder why these mega church ministries get rejected.....this is the fruit of turning from revealed truth
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Tom Butler
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Some scriptures:
Psalm 138:2
Psalm 138:2
Psalm 119:9
2 Timothy 3:15
Without the word of God, we would not know about the Word.
Not a question of accuracy, a matter of priority.
go2church
Zenas
These posts are absurd.
Really....the Mormons speak of jesus....lucifers half brother..
Jw's speak of jesus...who used to be Michael the arch angel....
sorry to offer a bible verse instead of an "event"
4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
with no bible you do not have the biblical Jesus. Neither of you understand biblical authority to post so foolishly. People wonder why these mega church ministries get rejected.....this is the fruit of turning from revealed truth
Then he opened their minds so they could understand the Scriptures. Luke 24:45
John 5:39-40 NIV
You study the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that testify about me, yet you refuse to come to me to have life. …
After he was raised from the dead, his disciples recalled what he had said. Then they believed the scripture and the words that Jesus had spoken. John 2:22
Hebrews 1:1-2 NIV
In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe …
It isn't a matter of ignoring the bible, it is a matter of priority. You said without scripture we don't have the biblical Jesus. How so? The apostles didn't have a bible like we have today, yet they somehow managed to share Jesus just fine. It is a blessing to have a record of the revelation, Jesus. I'm thankful for such a record, but Jesus would still be Jesus without it. We can still be saved without it. Sure others speak of Jesus, but is it the same Jesus the apostles spoke of? No.
They are right on!go2church
Zenas
These posts are absurd.
Really....the Mormons speak of jesus....lucifers half brother..
Jw's speak of jesus...who used to be Michael the arch angel....
sorry to offer a bible verse instead of an "event"
4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
with no bible you do not have the biblical Jesus. Neither of you understand biblical authority to post so foolishly. People wonder why these mega church ministries get rejected.....this is the fruit of turning from revealed truth
Your own post proves their point.
You are looking at the house [scripture] and calling it a foundation [the work of Jesus].
To prove your point you list others that have different foundations but houses [scriptures] that are similar.
IMO, our foundation is our faith in God and his gracious work
Rob
Scattergun reply: "For by grace are you saved through faith...faith comes by hearing, hearing the Word of God. How shall they hear without a preacher..." This is basic NT salvation. The deaf and dumb use signing.
Consider: Acts 8:26-40. Scriptural Salvation, Scriptural baptism and a Scriptural Missionary to Ethiopia all from the Book of Isaiah (OT), the event recorded in the NT.
Amazing: The Gospel got to Africa long before the U.S. of A.
Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
Bro. James
Consider: Acts 8:26-40. Scriptural Salvation, Scriptural baptism and a Scriptural Missionary to Ethiopia all from the Book of Isaiah (OT), the event recorded in the NT.
Amazing: The Gospel got to Africa long before the U.S. of A.
Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
Bro. James
From the beginning, the knowledge of God was taken to people VERBALLY, and scripture came later. Where are the writings used by Adam and Eve? What scriptures were used by Enoch and Methuselah?
How much bible did the Philippian jailer know? We don't know. But he and his whole household believed upon Christ.
Scripture was written BY believers, TO believers, FOR believers, with very few exceptions.
Rev, Yesh, Icon, you guys must be woefully ignorant of how scripture came to be, how the gospel was first spread, and the importance of what Christ accomplished.
A believer gains greater understanding through the infallible scriptures.
I have watched videos of African tribes who are receiving the scriptures for the first time, 25 years after the gospel was preached to them. Genuine believers, full of faith, who have never had the scriptures.
Good grief. The ignorance is astounding.
How much bible did the Philippian jailer know? We don't know. But he and his whole household believed upon Christ.
Scripture was written BY believers, TO believers, FOR believers, with very few exceptions.
Rev, Yesh, Icon, you guys must be woefully ignorant of how scripture came to be, how the gospel was first spread, and the importance of what Christ accomplished.
A believer gains greater understanding through the infallible scriptures.
I have watched videos of African tribes who are receiving the scriptures for the first time, 25 years after the gospel was preached to them. Genuine believers, full of faith, who have never had the scriptures.
Good grief. The ignorance is astounding.
The Apostles had Jesus right there with them! they had the revelation given them under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, so when we read our Bible, its exactly the same as if Jesus was here with us as he was back there with them!
One must have a special revealtion from god to even know of and about Jesus, and that is the written word of God illuminayed by the Holy Spirit to us!
I just can't agree with that statement for reasons previously stated.
You do not agree with Paul declaring to us that a sinner must have a special revealtion from God in order to know who jesus was, and His mission for them, and that is found only in the scriptures?
How can one know on Jesus to get saved ,apart from hearing about him, and that from the word of God, the Bible?
Do you see the bible as only partially inspired then?
I don't agree with the statement you made "when we read our bible it's exactly the same as if Jesus....".
I think you're confusing terms, especially "revelation". Jesus is the revelation, the bible is the record of the revelation, Jesus is revealed to us through the work of the Holy Spirit which is most commonly referred to as a work of grace, not a revelation.
No, bible fully inspired. Don't know how one would do the partially inspired thing. Which parts, who says, where do you stop?
I think you're confusing terms, especially "revelation". Jesus is the revelation, the bible is the record of the revelation, Jesus is revealed to us through the work of the Holy Spirit which is most commonly referred to as a work of grace, not a revelation.
No, bible fully inspired. Don't know how one would do the partially inspired thing. Which parts, who says, where do you stop?
Hmmm. Doesn't say anything about scripture, does it? Well, no it doesn't, because only a couple of books of the N.T. had been written at that time. Somehow they managed to get the job done without a Bible and I never once read where they lamented not having one.
Very well said
they had the inspired OT books of the vanon, and they were passing around the Gospels and epostles of the NT canon pretty early on...
Jesus promised that His Apostles would have same inspiration unto them given as the OT prophets of God had...
they did not need the written word at that time, as the Apostles were given rvelation inspired by God to give to the local assemblies gathered to heat them, so when pater/paul/John spoke on doctrines and practices, was very same as if jesus was their speaking to them!
After the Apostolic age ended though, there was that need for inspired revealtion to be written down, hence the canon of the NT!
When we comerto the Bible and open it up to read/study/apply, its the SAME authority as Jesus Himself right then speaking to us, as he is , in that word written down for us!
The Bible is the written revelation from God, just as much as Jesus was God revealed to us in Human flesh!
Cannot divorce one from the other, as BOTH are the revelation of God to us!
You're arguing a point I'm not making. I don't doubt the bible came as a result of the Holy Spirit, I have repeatedly said so. I have also repeatedly said I'm addressing the priority of Jesus over the bible, again not questioning the inspiration of scripture.
This will really you get you going. Not all that is within scripture carries the same weight, so it all can't speak with the same authority as Jesus.
This will really you get you going. Not all that is within scripture carries the same weight, so it all can't speak with the same authority as Jesus.
blessedwife318
Welcome to BB.
You are correct:thumbs:
Everything we need to know about God, Jesus, The Crucifixion, Salvation, etc is all in the Bible.
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Some do not have this understanding as the churches they attend are not clear on The Authority of scripture. Many are given over to emotion and experiences rather than being grounded in the word.
Welcome to BB.
You are correct:thumbs:
Everything we need to know about God, Jesus, The Crucifixion, Salvation, etc is all in the Bible.
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Some do not have this understanding as the churches they attend are not clear on The Authority of scripture. Many are given over to emotion and experiences rather than being grounded in the word.
Zenas
They did not have a bible???
Are you kidding with this remark???
The Apostle Paul does not agree with you or this sadly mistaken post as he writes to Timothy;
14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
8 So they read in the book in the law of God distinctly, and gave the sense, and caused them to understand the reading.9 And Nehemiah, which is the Tirshatha, and Ezra the priest the scribe, and the Levites that taught the people, said unto all the people, This day is holy unto the Lord your God; mourn not, nor weep. For all the people wept, when they heard the words of the law.
They did not have a bible???
Are you kidding with this remark???
The Apostle Paul does not agree with you or this sadly mistaken post as he writes to Timothy;
14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
8 So they read in the book in the law of God distinctly, and gave the sense, and caused them to understand the reading.9 And Nehemiah, which is the Tirshatha, and Ezra the priest the scribe, and the Levites that taught the people, said unto all the people, This day is holy unto the Lord your God; mourn not, nor weep. For all the people wept, when they heard the words of the law.
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