The Freewillers Shell Game part 1.

[James_Newman]

If this was done before man was made, how did He know this?

Does it matter?

When it says God foreknew, does God also know who would not believe?

Is there anything that God doesn't know?

 

[Jarthur001]

Depend on what you say the "world" is James.

Show me where the world was mentioned in the beginning of time.

The Oxford English Dictionary defines time as "the indefinite continued progress of existence and events in the past, present, and future, regarded as a whole."

I don't see nothing about no rocks here James.

I love it!!!

Lets review the little game.

1st it was...no you do not understand the name..
2nd...no..the problem is time..
3rd...now its the world.



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we move on.....

You said...I don't see nothing about no rocks here James.
1) Are rocks prt of the world God made...or was rocks here forever?

You said... "indefinite continued progress of existence and events in the past, present, and future"

1) is progress not a measure of change?
2) is existence not creation?
3) events happen IN TIME. no?
4) Past....is past like saying before??

Is not time a measurement of time, of God creation?????????????????????

Does God save MAN? The man that is part of creation?

Hello?

In Christ...Jamie our little boy

 

[Brother Bob]

Yea, James;
Is there anything that God doesn't know?

 

[Brother Bob]

I love it!!!

Lets review the little game.

1st it was...no you do not understand the name..
2nd...no..the problem is time..
3rd...now its the world.
(Don't understand any of this, sure its addressed to me?)



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we move on.....

You said...I don't see nothing about no rocks here James.
1) Are rocks prt of the world God made...or was rocks here forever? (No, part of the earth though)

You said... "indefinite continued progress of existence and events in the past, present, and future"

1) is progress not a measure of change? (not in time James)
2) is existence not creation? (No, after creation James)
3) events happen IN TIME. no?
4) Past....is past like saying before?? (before what James? Depend whether you talking about God or man.)

Is not time a measurement of time, of God creation????????????????????? (Time is a measure of past, present and future James)

Does God save MAN? The man that is part of creation? (Yes, now you got it James "all that will believe)!!

Hello?

In Christ...Jamie our little boy

I think we made a little progress Jamie boy

Jauthor001;
As far as dropping a bomb, not sure what you mean. But..I have fond out in the past, with some people you must go real slooooooow just as we seen in the beginning of this thread, or it goes over their head.

 

[Jarthur001]

Yea, James;
Is there anything that God doesn't know?

We have moved from.."no you do not understand the meaning...to time...to the world....now back to God know.

God knows all things bob. Now we look at the text again..

21Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

22For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.

23And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

24For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?

25But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.

26Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

27And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

28And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

29For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

30Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

1) Now who are the foreknown?

 

[Brother Bob]

The believer..........

God’s omniscience and omnipresence
omnitemporal
omnipotent
God knows the results of our decisions, not through absolute prediction but rather because He can already observe those results

 

[npetreley]

I don't know why you persist, Jarthur, but admire you for it. :smilewinkgrin:

WHOM he foreknew, He predestined. WHOM He predestined, He called.

The order is crystal clear to anyone with eyes to see, ears to hear, etc.

 

[Brother Bob]

We have moved from.."no you do not understand the meaning...to time...to the world....now back to God know.

God knows all things bob. Now we look at the text again..

If God knows all things then He certainly knows who believes so no big deal to know who to predestinate.

 

[Jarthur001]

Bob said...I don't see nothing about no rocks here James.
I ask...1) Are rocks part of the world God made...or was rocks here forever?
Bob say...(No, part of the earth though)

THE EARTH WAS NOT MADE BY GOD??????? I love it!!! haha

I ask .. is progress not a measure of change?
Bob said...(not in time James)

That does not even make sense.
You are saying Change is not part of time?
Your saying progress is not change? This is great!!!

I asked...2) is existence not creation?
Bob say..(No, after creation James)

So then.... creation is TIME!!

3) events happen IN TIME. no?
Bob said...???

I asked...4) Past....is past like saying before??
Bob said...(before what James? Depend whether you talking about God or man.)

When the Bible uses the word before, is it the same as past? :laugh:

I asked...Is not time a measurement of time, of God creation?????????????????????
Bob said...(Time is a measure of past, present and future James)

Is not time a mersurement of CHANGE?

I asked...Does God save MAN? The man that is part of creation?
Bob...(Yes, now you got it James "all that will believe)!!

If God saves man and man is in creation...what does this tell you bob??
Think...its not that hard.

 

[Jarthur001]

The believer..........

God’s omniscience and omnipresence
omnitemporal
omnipotent
God knows the results of our decisions, not through absolute prediction but rather because He can already observe those results

Now we pull in omniscience and omnipresence.

But you said God was OUTSIDE of time...why would you post omnitemporal???? :smilewinkgrin:

Omnitemporal means God is in all time.

You said God is outside of time

Which is it Bob?????????? i love it


In Christ...Jamie you little boy

 

[Brother Bob]

THE EARTH WAS NOT MADE BY GOD??????? I love it!!! haha

Genesis 1

"1": In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

What you been drinking Jamie boy?

That does not even make sense.
You are saying Change is not part of time?
Your saying progress is not change? This is great!!!

If I were building a bridge and you ask me how is it going? I would say about half finished, (that would be progress)but if you ask "how long it take you to do this much"? then that would be time James
I hope you are writing this down James!

I asked...2) is existence not creation?
Bob say..(No, after creation James)
So then.... creation is TIME!!

No, after creation, God created time too, James.

When the Bible uses the word before, is it the same as past? :laugh:

Again, you could say before salvation you must believe.
Write it down James.

Is not time a mersurement of CHANGE?

Not particular, Satan transformed himself as a minister of righteous and I don't think it took time.

If God saves man and man is in creation...what does this tell you bob??
Think...its not that hard.

I am trying Jamie boy!!!

Jauthor001;
As far as dropping a bomb, not sure what you mean. But..I have fond out in the past, with some people you must go real slooooooow just as we seen in the beginning of this thread, or it goes over their head.

Now we pull in omniscience and omnipresence.

But you said God was OUTSIDE of time...why would you post omnitemporal???? :smilewinkgrin:

Omnitemporal means God is in all time.

You said God is outside of time

Which is it Bob?????????? i love it


In Christ...Jamie you little boy

God is all in all. He can be in time when He wants such as Jesus dying on the cross. I thought you knew Jesus was God in the flesh Jamie boy?

You are not too good at this Shell Game are you Jamie boy?????

 

[Jarthur001]

BTW..what you have been posting is sola atemporal..
Which is God is ALWAYS outside of time.

http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry/atemporal


Just helping you out Bob.



In Christ...you little home boy...the jamester

 

[Brother Bob]

BTW..what you have been posting is sola atemporal..
Which is God is ALWAYS outside of time.

http://education.yahoo.com/reference...ntry/atemporal


Just helping you out Bob.



In Christ...you little home boy...the jamester

No it is not Jamie boy, it is too deep for you I guess. It is just most of what we been discussing so far was about Him outside of time.

James, let me help you a little. You are taking one step forward and two back. You will be pulling your hair out soon.

 

[Jarthur001]

God is all in all. He can be in time when He wants such as Jesus dying on the cross. I thought you knew Jesus was God in the flesh Jamie boy?

You are not too good at this Shell Game are you Jamie boy?????

Final!!!!!!


it only took 5 pages.

So you statement..."Now, I see your problem. You are judging everything by time. Even "foreknow" is all about time. Well, you fail to recognize that God is without time and does not have to see in the future or the past for He sees all at once and forever. ".....was just another bogus shell game. right?

http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=890788&postcount=111


So now back to forknow....

When did God know what He knows?

Did God knew as He made man?
Did God know after He made man?

 

[Jarthur001]

No it is not Jamie boy, it is too deep for you I guess. It is just most of what we been discussing so far was about Him outside of time.

James, let me help you a little. You are taking one step forward and two back. You will be pulling your hair out soon.

OOOPs..i post to soon.

Is God temporal or atemporal???

 

[Brother Bob]

Final!!!!!!


it only took 5 pages.

So you statement..."Now, I see your problem. You are judging everything by time. Even "foreknow" is all about time. Well, you fail to recognize that God is without time and does not have to see in the future or the past for He sees all at once and forever. ".....was just another bogus shell game. right?

Nothing has changed.

 

[Jarthur001]

Nothing has changed.

Bob...you said...

God is all in all. He can be in time when He wants ...


Can He or not??

 

[Brother Bob]

Is God temporal or atemporal???

God is atemporal but can work in temporal at His will.

So now back to forknow....

When did God know what He knows?

Did God knew as He made man?
Did God know after He made man?

Scripture only take me back to the beginning of time. No man has known the mind of God and certainly not I. Scripture says He foreknew before the foundation of the world.

 

[webdog]

OOOPs..i post to soon.

Is God temporal or atemporal???

Omnitemporal. Nice try.

 

[Jarthur001]

Omnitemporal. Nice try.

Omnitemporal means God is in all time. Is this what you believe?