The Gospel that Calvinism cannot believe.

[JonC]

Yes, it does.



I believe God's Word.



God chose His elect before the world even began. Their status, state, and standing was all in the the mind of God in eternity.



J.C. Philpot answered your objection. See my post #132 above.



Yes, they are. God chose His elect before the world even began.



The Bible teaches that man is totally depraved, that God unconditionally chose a people before the world even began, that Christ Jesus came to earth and paid the total sin debt of those God unconditionally chose before the world even began, that the Holy Spirit brings God's elect(at least those who reach an age where they can hear it) under the hearing of the gospel of Christ at some point during their earthly sojourn and under that hearing will regenerate them and grant them the gift of faith in the finished work of Christ and the gift of repentance of the dead works they previously relied on, and that God preserves those He unconditionally chose before the world even began and will ultimately bring them to the new heavens and new earth wherein dwells righteousness.

You probably do to a great extent.

On this topic you believe what a relatively minority sect says God's Word realky teaches. That is not the same.

God's Word is what we believe when we lean not on our understanding but on every word that comes from God. What you have posted here describing your belief is not God's Word any more than what Jehovah Witnesses believe is taught by the Bible is God's Word.

If you read a poem the poem is what is written by the poet. What that poem means to you, or the lessons you think is taught by that poem is not the poem itself, and if you get it wrong you miss what the poet was trying to communicate.

You read God's Word, however you choose to believe what other men who "tickle your ears" tell you thise words are really trying to teach.

Have you ever considered that just maybe what is written in the Bible IS what God's Word teaches?

 

[JonC]

I want people the read the entire Word of God - from the first verse of Genesis to the last verse of Revelation.

I want people to read the entire Bible as well. But I also want them to realize that the Bible is God's Eord. It is His revelation to man. So I want them to understand that the Bible is teaching "what is written" in the text of Scripture rather than philosophies and theories.

It does not do a man any good to read the Bible and then dismiss the text in favor of what others tell him is taught by the Bible.

The only reason to turn from Scripture to what some say is taught by Scripture is that God's Word does not make sence to that person in and of itself. They want more but they end up with less. The Spirit teaches, reveals, applies and illuminates what is written. Man developed theiries and theologies to maje sence of what Renaissance just beyond their grasp.

 

[JonC]

@JonC, I recommend to you and others reading this post to read Bill Parker's book, What Is Salvation, only 112 pages, and available as a free pdf here - https://n.b5z.net/i/u/10086795/f/What_is_Salvation.pdf.

I am sure you could recommend a lot of books for non-Calvinists to read. And I have read a lot of books. I once shared your belief.

But now if I want to know "What is Salvation", do you know where I go? You got it. I go to God's Word.

Why?

Because every theory, philosophy and theology has books about what Salvation "really" is. They all have different opinions and men pick the ones they like. BUT none of those books compare to what God Himself tells us Salvation is.

Think about it. You want me to read a 112 page book explaining what Salvation "really" is when I have God's own words at my fingertips.

I will decline.

If I am wrong it will be for believing God, or at worse for minor misunderstandings or interpretations of His Word.

If you are wrong it will be for believing men you choose to believe out of all the men wanting to tell you what the Bible really says.

I will take my chances with God. You take your chances with Bill Parker.

 

[Brightfame52]

Well since I am not an Arminian it really does not impact what I believe.

Read the article, you may have some things in common

 

[JonC]

Well since I am not an Arminian it really does not impact what I believe.

The bible tells us that all are drawn to God and Christ died for all sinners and all can freely respond to the various means that God uses to draw man to Himself.

But I see you are still holding to your anti-biblical views BF.

Thankfully I follow the God of the bible not one found in any of the "ism's"

Most calvinists truely do not understand anything beyond Calvinism. Arminianism is of a calvinistic trajectory (it was, at one time, within orthodox Calvinism and grew out of that philosophy). So many only grasp non-Calvinist as Arminianism. Their religious world literally began in the 16th century.