The Heresy of Cessaitionism

[Martin Marprelate]

Good Grief Martin, I said the Sign and Wonder Gifts has ceased. And I specifically addressed more than two.

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However, comma, Cessationism as I understand the term, says the Signs and Wonders Gifts have ceased, which refers to humans not God, and says humans do not speak in unknown to them foreign languages or bring people back to life, like Peter and Paul. ​

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I addressed that the gift of inspired authorship of God's word has ceased.​

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1) Healing​

2) Adding to God's Word​

3) Speaking in another language, unknown to the speaker.​

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See 2 Corinthians 12:12​

How splendid! We're in agreement!
I suppose it had to happen sooner or later.

 

[Deadworm]

If Baptists werre turth-seekers who q

 

[37818]

If Baptists werre turth-seekers who q

Romans 2:1, Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.

 

[Van]

If God has ceased "granting" the signs and wonder" gifts to His people, to whom will the "gift" next be granted?

See 2 Thessalonians 2:7-9.

 

[37818]

1 Corinthians 12:10, To another the working of miracles [δυναμεων]; . . .
Romans 1:16, . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power [δυναμις] of God unto salvation . . . .

 

[JesusFan]

If Baptists werre turth-seekers who q

We are people of the inspired bible, many wh are into seeking signs and wonders seem to be people of false prophets and false apostles

 

[Cathode]

We are people of the inspired bible, many wh are into seeking signs and wonders seem to be people of false prophets and false apostles

There is a huge difference between seeking signs and wonders and merely being open to them.
If you aren’t at least open to them, then you are starting from a position of a lack of faith. You automatically don’t believe miracles are possible, and faith, an essential component is made absent, thus the cessation of faith brings about the cessation of miracles.
This is the salt that has lost its savour, how do you make it salty again. People have institutionalised and made unbelief a central pillar.

Christianity has been de-supernaturalised by many and it has become dry textual legalism on a page, not a reality lived. This is the problem.

I am witness miracles of healing, conversion and providence and have had visible angelic help, I have no excuse not to believe, I have seen it with my own eyes.

 

[JesusFan]

There is a huge difference between seeking signs and wonders and merely being open to them.
If you aren’t at least open to them, then you are starting from a position of a lack of faith. You automatically don’t believe miracles are possible, and faith, an essential component is made absent, thus the cessation of faith brings about the cessation of miracles.
This is the salt that has lost its savour, how do you make it salty again. People have institutionalised and made unbelief a central pillar.

Christianity has been de-supernaturalised by many and it has become dry textual legalism on a page, not a reality lived. This is the problem.

I am witness miracles of healing, conversion and providence and have had visible angelic help, I have no excuse not to believe, I have seen it with my own eyes.

We hold that God still can and does miracles and healings, but not the norm as were in Acts, no extra biblically revelations, and that Rome is NOT true church, as holds to a false Gospel

 

[Cathode]

We hold that God still can and does miracles and healings, but not the norm as were in Acts, no extra biblically revelations, and that Rome is NOT true church, as holds to a false Gospel

If you say miracles are not the norm, you have already let a dark cloud block out the light of your faith in your heart. Doubt has supremacy, and you have forgotten that the Lord gives measure for measure.
Your doubt is just as strong as any unbeliever.

Bypass the doubt altogether and simply let Jesus operate through you, recognising that miracles don’t happen by force of your will, but by force of His Will.

“Lord,” the man said, “if you are willing, you can heal me and make me clean.”

Have that faith that is open, and leaves everything to the supremacy of His Will.

Don’t set yourself up as arbiter of what’s normal or what should be, be open without reserve to His Will.

Without Jesus we can do nothing.

However in openness, we say, I can do all things in Christ who strengthens me.

Do you see the difference in these two dispositions?

 

[Martin Marprelate]

If you say miracles are not the norm, you have already let a dark cloud block out the light of your faith in your heart. Doubt has supremacy, and you have forgotten that the Lord gives measure for measure.
Your doubt is just as strong as any unbeliever.

Bypass the doubt altogether and simply let Jesus operate through you, recognising that miracles don’t happen by force of your will, but by force of His Will.

“Lord,” the man said, “if you are willing, you can heal me and make me clean.”

Have that faith that is open, and leaves everything to the supremacy of His Will.

Don’t set yourself up as arbiter of what’s normal or what should be, be open without reserve to His Will.

Without Jesus we can do nothing.

However in openness, we say, I can do all things in Christ who strengthens me.

Do you see the difference in these two dispositions?

God once caused a donkey to speak. Do I believe that He can do it again if He wishes? Absolutely.
There is a Donkey Sanctuary quite near to where I live. Do I hang around there waiting for a donkey to speak? No. Do I believe that all donkeys can speak and only keep quiet because they have nothing worthwhile to say? No again.
I think that most Christians have experience of God answering prayer in remarkable ways. I think they also have experience of God NOT answering prayer.
Older members here will remember John Wimber who wrote a book called "Power Evangelism," claiming that Christians should go around doing miracles as the Lord Jesus did to impress and convert the lost. At some point, Wimber was diagnosed with cancer, and a whole pile of his charismatic friends came round to pray for him and claim his healing in Jesus' name. Wimber died of cancer.
The greatest miracle today is the New Birth, which is the raising of the spiritually dead to life (Eph. 1:15-21). Do I believe that God can raise the dead? Do I believe that He is doing that very thing today for millions of people all over the world? Absolutely. It happened to me!

 

[37818]

The case of Mark 9:23-24, . . . Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth. And straightway the father of the child cried out, and said with tears, Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief.