The High Priestly Prayer

[Revmitchell]

Verse 24

Still a reference to the disciples. His concern is that they are ready to go do what He sent them to do.

 

[Reformed1689]

Still a reference to the disciples. His concern is that they are ready to go do what He sent them to do.

No, he flat out said he is not only praying for the disciples.

 

[Yeshua1]

No, he flat out said he is not only praying for the disciples.

Jesus prayed for them AND for all who would believe in HIm afterwards!

 

[Revmitchell]

No, he flat out said he is not only praying for the disciples.

Any time He says "those you have given me" it is a reference to the disciples.

 

[Reynolds]

NIV, CSB, HCSB do not separate it. No it doesn't.

Yes it does. In the editions that have breaks and headings, the separation is made.

 

[Yeshua1]

Any time He says "those you have given me" it is a reference to the disciples.

All of the saved have been given to Him by the Father!

 

[Revmitchell]

All of the saved have been given to Him by the Father!

That doesnt prove that that specific phrase is anything other than a reference to the disciples.

 

[Reynolds]

Still a reference to the disciples. His concern is that they are ready to go do what He sent them to do.

Definitely correct in this context

 

[Reynolds]

It makes no sense to separate it.

Due to the obvious change of tense, it makes no sense not to separate it.

 

[kyredneck]

That prayer was specific for the 11.

???

2 even as thou gavest him authority over all flesh, that to all whom thou hast given him, he should give eternal life.
20 Neither for these only do I pray, but for them also that believe on me through their word; Jn 17

Actually He doesnt until verse 20. 6-19 was for the 11 and most Bibles have titled that section as such for many, many years.

Wow. Chop it up, twist it, make it say what you want to hear. Nothing short of violence to the word of God.

 

[Yeshua1]

That doesnt prove that that specific phrase is anything other than a reference to the disciples.

Jesus stated there that He was praying also for all of those yet to be saved, correct?

 

[kyredneck]

34 And Jesus said, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And parting his garments among them, they cast lots. Lu 23

Who's included in this supplication?

 

[Reynolds]

???

2 even as thou gavest him authority over all flesh, that to all whom thou hast given him, he should give eternal life.
20 Neither for these only do I pray, but for them also that believe on me through their word; Jn 17



Wow. Chop it up, twist it, make it say what you want to hear. Nothing short of violence to the word of God.

I am in good company.

 

[Reynolds]

No, he flat out said he is not only praying for the disciples.

You are ignoring an obvious shift.

 

[Reformed1689]

Any time He says "those you have given me" it is a reference to the disciples.

Only in an anti-calvinist mind. All who the Father gives to him come to him, is that only the disciples too? Nonsense.

 

[tyndale1946]

34 And Jesus said, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And parting his garments among them, they cast lots. Lu 23

Who's included in this supplication?

I agree Kentucky, Jesus was crucified for us but we didn't hold the hammer and drive the nails, or did we?... Brother Glen

 

[Marooncat79]

Really? Who doesn't know that the High Priestly Prayer of Christ is John 17?

I thought Rev Mitchell is a pastor?

 

[kyredneck]

I agree Kentucky, Jesus was crucified for us but we didn't hold the hammer and drive the nails, or did we?... Brother Glen

The Holy Spirit repeatedly convicted the Jews of that crime.

 

[Reynolds]

I thought Rev Mitchell is a pastor?

John Macarthur calls it "The Lord's Prayer.". Is Johnny Mac not a preacher?

 

[Marooncat79]

John Macarthur calls it "The Lord's Prayer.". Is Johnny Mac not a preacher?

Sorry, but I do not understand the reply ie point that you are trying to make? Can you please clarify