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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Reformed1689, Apr 10, 2020.

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  1. Revmitchell

    Revmitchell Well-Known Member
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    Still a reference to the disciples. His concern is that they are ready to go do what He sent them to do.
     
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    No, he flat out said he is not only praying for the disciples.
     
    #22 Reformed1689, Apr 10, 2020
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    Jesus prayed for them AND for all who would believe in HIm afterwards!
     
    #23 Yeshua1, Apr 10, 2020
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    Any time He says "those you have given me" it is a reference to the disciples.
     
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    Yes it does. In the editions that have breaks and headings, the separation is made.
     
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    All of the saved have been given to Him by the Father!
     
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    That doesnt prove that that specific phrase is anything other than a reference to the disciples.
     
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    Definitely correct in this context
     
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    Due to the obvious change of tense, it makes no sense not to separate it.
     
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    ???

    2 even as thou gavest him authority over all flesh, that to all whom thou hast given him, he should give eternal life.
    20 Neither for these only do I pray, but for them also that believe on me through their word; Jn 17

    Wow. Chop it up, twist it, make it say what you want to hear. Nothing short of violence to the word of God.
     
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    Jesus stated there that He was praying also for all of those yet to be saved, correct?
     
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    34 And Jesus said, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And parting his garments among them, they cast lots. Lu 23

    Who's included in this supplication?
     
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    I am in good company.
     
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    You are ignoring an obvious shift.
     
    #34 Reynolds, Apr 10, 2020
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    Only in an anti-calvinist mind. All who the Father gives to him come to him, is that only the disciples too? Nonsense.
     
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    I agree Kentucky, Jesus was crucified for us but we didn't hold the hammer and drive the nails, or did we?... Brother Glen:(
     
    #36 tyndale1946, Apr 10, 2020
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    I thought Rev Mitchell is a pastor?
     
    #37 Marooncat79, Apr 10, 2020
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    The Holy Spirit repeatedly convicted the Jews of that crime.
     
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    John Macarthur calls it "The Lord's Prayer.". Is Johnny Mac not a preacher?
     
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    Sorry, but I do not understand the reply ie point that you are trying to make? Can you please clarify
     
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