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Terminology is not universal. Rev Mitch seeking Clarification does not justify questioning his status, calling, or abilities as pastor.
I'm not playing rough. Sorry if it came across that way brother! You and I DO have an understanding. I'm going to bow out of this thread for now.
No, the elect come to Jesus in believe, repentance, and submission. They were GIVEN to Him by the Father. Scripture is explicit on that. No man comes to God naturally.
I dont. I, like John Macarthur, Call it The Lords prayer. I call the other one The Model prayer. Thats why its never wrong to seek clarity before beginning discussion.
By an action today, one becomes something he already was before the foundations of The Earth were laid?
No, one joins those who were pre-ordained. If everyone was already predestined no matter what, there'd be no use to worship at all.
He most commonly refers to it as The Lords Prayer. In his commentary, he goes off on a long spill about why it is The true Lords prayer. It was our Lord praying, not our Lord teaching others to pray.
I am aware. Though, if you look through his messages he actually refers to them about equally. But most people know it is the High Priestly Prayer if they have ever read more than one commentary.
Some were pre-ordained and some were not?
Of course that isn't true at all.
Where is it in scripture that some were pre-ordained and others were not?
I know it is called the High Priestly prayer. I also know that many people who never attended seminary do not know it by that name.I am aware. Though, if you look through his messages he actually refers to them about equally. But most people know it is the High Priestly Prayer if they have ever read more than one commentary.