The Just shall live by Faith !

[Yeshua1]

You call the Gospel Truth Heresy !

And you are a deceitful worker, where did I post that the elect are born with sinless perfection in and of themselves ?

However, all the Elect before God's Law and Justice, by the Offering of Christ have been perfected for all time Heb 10:14

14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

Again, when were you justified before God and made a new creation in Christ?

was it in the womb, baby or?

Born in a state of sinless perfection?

 

[savedbymercy]

Again, when were you justified before God and made a new creation in Christ?

was it in the womb, baby or?

Born in a state of sinless perfection?

Read my threads. In the mean time work salvation is your testimony !

 

[The Biblicist]

Read my threads. In the mean time work salvation is your testimony !

You false slanderous accuser! The Bible repeatedly states clearly and explicitly that justification by faith is not of works but is of grace! (Rom. 4:1-6; Eph. 2:8-9; John 6:29, 64-65; Heb. 12:2; etc.). Stop your lying!

 

[savedbymercy]

You false slanderous accuser! The Bible repeatedly states clearly and explicitly that justification by faith is not of works but is of grace! (Rom. 4:1-6; Eph. 2:8-9; John 6:29, 64-65; Heb. 12:2; etc.). Stop your lying!

The scripture no where states that believing is not a work ! The reason why it doesn't is because it is, its an act of man, something man does with the mind. The definition of a work is this ! The greek word is ergon :

business, employment, that which any one is occupied
that which one undertakes to do, enterprise, undertaking
any product whatever, any thing accomplished by hand, art, industry, or mind

an act, deed, thing done: the idea of working is emphasised in opp. to that which is less than work

Now when you from scripture can show where believing is not an act of man or a deed of man or a thing done by man, or where it is not accomplished by the mind of man

Then you have proven that believing is not a work of man !

 

[The Biblicist]

The scripture no where states that believing is not a work ! The reason why it doesn't is because it is, its an act of man, something man does with the mind.

Justifying faith is a WORK OF GOD - Jn. 6:29; Heb. 12:2
Justifying faith is not of works but of grace - Rom. 4:1-6; 16; Eph. 2:8-10
Justifying faith is coming to Christ but coming is the work of God drawing - Jn. 6:64-65 and thus it is a GIFT of God "given him of my Father" - Jn. 6:65

You don't know the Biblical distinction between justifying faith and faithfulness any more than you know the Biblical difference between Purpose and fulfillment - "I have purposed it, I WILL DO it."

 

[savedbymercy]

Again, when were you justified before God and made a new creation in Christ?

was it in the womb, baby or?

Born in a state of sinless perfection?

The Elect are Justified in Christ before the world began, before Adam was Created.

But that is not saying they are born in sinless perfection ! The Elect are born sinners like other men, they are Just Justified before God by Christ's Righteousness when they are born sinners.

The Death of Christ, hath before God's law and Justice, Hath Perfected them forever Heb 10:14, being born a sinner does not change that !

 

[savedbymercy]

The Just shall live by Faith ! This is a Promise that everyone Christ died for, who He Justified by His Death alone, shall Live by Faith ! No one Christ died for shall remain in unbelief, its impossible if indeed the Just SHALL live by Faith !

 

[The Biblicist]

The Just shall live by Faith ! This is a Promise that everyone Christ died for, who He Justified by His Death alone, shall Live by Faith ! No one Christ died for shall remain in unbelief, its impossible if indeed the Just SHALL live by Faith !

Again, you demonstrate clearly your total disregard for the context of a statement you simply jerk out of context. Both Romans 1:16-17 and Galatians 3:10-12 are both gospel contexts that deal with justificaiton by faith IN THE GOSPEL message.

Neither text refers to the eternity past or to the cross but to the gospel message of what Christ did on the cross to be received by faith which justifies the believer before God thus obtaining peace with God at the moment of faith in the gospel.

No honest exegete could fail to see that Romans 1:15-17 is about the gospel, preaching the gospel and what faith in the gospel obtains for the believer. No honest exeget could fail to see that the entire book of Galatians is about justification by grace through faith in the gospel as this is the very subject introduced in Galatians 1:6-8 and again repeated in Galatians 3:1-8 just previous to the disputed text in Galatains 3:10-12.

You advertise your ignorance of scripture and you mishandle and distort the word of God to suite your own belly.

 

[savedbymercy]

Again, when were you justified before God and made a new creation in Christ?

was it in the womb, baby or?

Born in a state of sinless perfection?

The Elect were Justified before the world began, before their sin in Adam !

They were In Christ Jesus before the world began 2 Tim 1:9

9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

God never charged the Elect with their condemnation, He charged it to Christ instead !

 

[savedbymercy]

Again, you demonstrate clearly your total disregard for the context of a statement you simply jerk out of context. Both Romans 1:16-17 and Galatians 3:10-12 are both gospel contexts that deal with justificaiton by faith IN THE GOSPEL message.

Neither text refers to the eternity past or to the cross but to the gospel message of what Christ did on the cross to be received by faith which justifies the believer before God thus obtaining peace with God at the moment of faith in the gospel.

No honest exegete could fail to see that Romans 1:15-17 is about the gospel, preaching the gospel and what faith in the gospel obtains for the believer. No honest exeget could fail to see that the entire book of Galatians is about justification by grace through faith in the gospel as this is the very subject introduced in Galatians 1:6-8 and again repeated in Galatians 3:1-8 just previous to the disputed text in Galatains 3:10-12.

You advertise your ignorance of scripture and you mishandle and distort the word of God to suite your own belly.

The Just shall live by Faith ! This is a Promise that everyone Christ died for, who He Justified by His Death alone, shall Live by Faith ! No one Christ died for shall remain in unbelief, its impossible if indeed the Just SHALL live by Faith !

 

[Yeshua1]

The Just shall live by Faith ! This is a Promise that everyone Christ died for, who He Justified by His Death alone, shall Live by Faith ! No one Christ died for shall remain in unbelief, its impossible if indeed the Just SHALL live by Faith !

faith is what God uses to have His grace applied towards them, in order to save them!

No faith in jesus, no salvation!

faith is what God requires in order to have us access His grace and then we are saved!

 

[savedbymercy]

faith is what God uses to have His grace applied towards them, in order to save them!

No faith in jesus, no salvation!

faith is what God requires in order to have us access His grace and then we are saved!

Work Salvation and Justfication.

Those who Christ died for are Justified before God, the Resurrection is proof of it Rom 4:25

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

 

[The Biblicist]

Work Salvation and Justfication.

Those who Christ died for are Justified before God, the Resurrection is proof of it Rom 4:25

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

You jerk scripture out of its context and fabricate a doctrine out of your own imagination. Place this text back into its context and it makes you a deceiver and a perverter of scripture.

Rom. 4:23 ¶ Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;
24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
1 ¶ Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

Both positive and negative Imputation has been defined as justification in verses 5-8; Righteousness imputed by faith and sin not imputed = justification

Hence, imputation/justification is CONDITIONED upon "IF we believe upon him" - v. 24

Imputation/justification FUTURE TENSE from faith "SHALL BE" imputed to us - v. 24

Justification is by faith - 5:1

The words "for our justification" tell us the PURPOSE of his resurrection not that it accomplished the justification as that would contradict the text before and after this text.

 

[savedbymercy]

the bib

You jerk scripture out of its context

No I bring to light Truth within the context, Again, all those Christ died for[was delivered for their offences] they were declared Justified before God by His Resurrection Rom 4:25

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

You deny the results before God of the Death of Christ !

 

[The Biblicist]

Why can't you deal with the scriptures I repeatedly place in your face that prove what you say here is false?????? What scriptures you ask? John 6:64-65 that explicitly and clearly teach that faith is not of man but must be "given to him of the Father."

John 6:65 is provided as an EXPLANATION to why some of his PROFESSED disciples and Judas did not truly believe in him. John 6:64 says Jesus knew "FROM THE BEGINNING" who were not true believers among those professing to be his disciples. He knew "FROM THE BEGINNING" who they were and that is why Jesus said "NO MAN CAN come to me" meaning no man can come in saving faith to me - "EXCEPT IT WERE GIVEN HIM of my Father."

John 6:29 is not a play on words but a declaration by Christ to the very same effect as John 6:44 and John 6:65 - "THIS IS THE WORK OF GOD that ye believe on him." Faith is NOT A WORK OF MAN but a "WORK OF GOD" because it must be "GIVEN UNTO HIM OF MY FATHER."

Romans 4:3-6 completely repudiates your false doctrine and false gospel. In Romans 4:1-3 Paul clearly and explicitly states that Abraham was justified "before God" (v. 1) not by works whereof he could glory but by faith - that very contrasts destroys your argument that justifiying faith is of works:

1 ¶ What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?
2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

Anyone capable of third grade English can see that verse 3 is an outright denial that Abraham was justified by works (v. 2) but was justified by faith - meaning faith is not of works or else Paul's CONTRASTING conclusion to works (v. 2) in verse 3 makes no sense at all.

If your false doctrine were correct verses 2-3 should read as follows:

"SINCE Abraham was justified by works, seeing that faith is a work, but Abraham does not have whereof to glory since faith is a work of the new man"

If that is not suffienct to show your are teaching an absolute false gospel, false definition of faith, false grace then verses 3-6 surely exposes your spiritual darkness to the light of truth:

3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,

In verse 4 Paul denies that works can be "reckoned" or "counted" as grace but must be "reckoned" or "counted" as works. Do you understand that? If faith is of works as you say, then it cannot be "counted" or "reckoned" to be of grace but must be counted or reckoned of "debt." All works are attempts to PAY a debt or EARN favor. However, anything "of grace" cannot be EARNED and thus cannot be "OF DEBT."

Now, Paul is explicitly denying that justification by faith is "of debt" and therefore is not OF WORKS just as he declared in verse 2 "If Abraham were justified BY WORKS he hath whereof to glory but NOT BEFORE GOD." Abraham was not justified by works but by faith and therefore faith is not of works as verses 5-6 proves by contrasting works to faith:


5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works

Look at the last two words of verse 6 - "WITHOUT WORKS" and the first phrase of verse 5 "WORKETH NOT"! Paul makes these the contrast of imputed righteousness or justification BY FAITH proving justifying faith is not of works as he said in verses 2-3 and verse 4 and now in verses 5-6.

Last, he says the same thing in verse 16 "It is OF FAITH that it might be BY GRACE." However, your view would force this text to say "It is OF FAITH which is BY WORKS."

John 6:29, 44-45; 64-65 and Romans 4:1-6, 16 are a thorough repudiation of your false doctrine! I dare you to give any kind of rational exegetical based response to my exposition of these texts. I predicte you won't even attempt to do so because YOU CANNOT do so!

Above is the Biblical evidence once more! The only response by SBM is to RUN from this text, JUMP to another text and then PIT scripture against scripture. When that fails him he then attacks the person presenting the evidence because the evidence exposes him for what he is - a deciever (1 Tim. 4:1-2).

 

[savedbymercy]

Above is the Biblical evidence once more! The only response by SBM is to RUN from this text, JUMP to another text and then PIT scripture against scripture. When that fails him he then attacks the person presenting the evidence because the evidence exposes him for what he is - a deciever (1 Tim. 4:1-2).

Again, all those Christ died for[was delivered for their offences] they were declared Justified before God by His Resurrection Rom 4:25

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

You deny the results before God of the Death of Christ !

 

[The Biblicist]

the bib



No I bring to light Truth within the context, Again, all those Christ died for[was delivered for their offences] they were declared Justified before God by His Resurrection Rom 4:25

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

You deny the results before God of the Death of Christ !

Prove your interpretation of Verse 25 is consistent with verse 24 and Romans 5:1! If you cannot prove it, it is because you are perverting it. I can prove that my interpretation is consistent with its context.

The difference between truth and error in regard to intepreting any verse in scripture is that the true interpretation ALWAYS harmonizes with the context it is found in. Your interpretation CONTRADICTS the immediate context.

You RUN, JUMP and PIT because you are a false teacher who perverts the Word of God to suit your own ungodly belly!

 

[savedbymercy]

Prove your interpretation of Verse 25 is consistent with verse 24 and Romans 5:1! If you cannot prove it, it is because you are perverting it. I can prove that my interpretation is consistent with its context.

The difference between truth and error in regard to intepreting any verse in scripture is that the true interpretation ALWAYS harmonizes with the context it is found in. Your interpretation CONTRADICTS the immediate context.

You RUN, JUMP and PIT because you are a false teacher who perverts the Word of God to suit your own ungodly belly!

The proof is here:

No I bring to light Truth within the context, Again, all those Christ died for[was delivered for their offences] they were declared Justified before God by His Resurrection Rom 4:25

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

You deny the results before God of the Death of Christ !

 

[The Biblicist]

The proof is here:

No I bring to light Truth within the context, Again, all those Christ died for[was delivered for their offences] they were declared Justified before God by His Resurrection Rom 4:25

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

You deny the results before God of the Death of Christ !

Prove that "for" does not refer to its PURPOSE rather than to its accomplishment?

The verses before and after prove that "for" refers only to the purpose of the resurrection but not to its accomplishment - in order that we might be justified or as the verse before it says "SHALL BE" imputed IF we believe on him. Or as the verse that follows it talks about "BEING" justified "BY faith."

The context proves that my interpetation of "for" is correct and yours is wrong!

 

[savedbymercy]

Prove that "for" does not refer to its PURPOSE rather than to its accomplishment?

The verses before and after prove that "for" refers only to the purpose of the resurrection - in order that we might be justified or as the verse before it says "SHALL BE" imputed IF we believe on him. Or as the verse that follows it talks about "BEING" justified "BY faith."

The context proves that my interpetation of "for" is correct and yours is wrong!

No I bring to light Truth within the context, Again, all those Christ died for[was delivered for their offences] they were declared Justified before God by His Resurrection Rom 4:25

25 Who was delivered for[because of] our offences, and was raised again for[because of] our justification.

You deny the results before God of the Death of Christ !