The mark of the beast will be literal...

[robycop3]

The mark of the beast will be literal, most likely some sorta microchip. After all how could something symbolis allow people to conduct business?

Some make the ridiculous argument that MCs aren't mentioned in Scripture. GOD KNOWS THAT, & He knew that MCs would be here in the then-future, so He simply called them "marks". (Just as Jesus, knowing what meteors are, said the stars shall fall. He wanted to use language that had meaning to His audience/readership of that time.)

The tech for such implantable MCs exists right now. They can't hold all of a person's financial records, enabling one to do all his banking from it, but they CAN hold all of one's personal info, PIN #s, passwords, etc. And it's only a matter of time before virtually every place of business will have a scanner that can read those implantable MCs.

Recently, several companies offered its employees such implants to contain their PIN #s to allow them to open doors within their business place, access certain computers, etc. THE VAST MAJORITY OF THOSE EMPLOYEES, CHRISTIAN OR NOT, REFUSED THEM ! In a poll, most of them equated them with the marka the beast!

When the beast/antichrist comes to power, the Jews will either already have a new temple in Jerusalem, or it'll be built very shortly thereafter. And the rapture will occur at that time as well. The world will accept the beast's glib explanation of why millions of people vanished, and, with no Christian opposition to the implants, he will hawk them as a replacement for cash & cards, being loss-proof, or theft-proof, with tech to prevent unauthorized reading of them. Soon after the rapture, he will enter that temple in Jerusalem, stopping the daily sacrifices in it, & declare himself to be God, and his sidekick the false prophet will make the implants mandatory.

There'll be some who will realize the rapture has occurred, coming to Jesus & not taking the mark. They'll live a rough existence, having to shop in black markets while avoiding the beast's security forces, who will kill any of them they find.

And ALL who take the mark will be condemned to the lake of fire !

Let's please limit the discussion to the mark of the beast & whether it'll be literal or not. If anyone believes it'll be something besides a microchip, but still literal, please chime in !

 

[Reformed1689]

most likely some sorta microchip

Based on what? There is nothing to indicate it is "most likely" some sort of microchip. What does Scripture ACTUALLY say about the MOB?

 

[robycop3]

Based on what? There is nothing to indicate it is "most likely" some sort of microchip. What does Scripture ACTUALLY say about the MOB?

Says it'll be a "mark". A MC can be a mark where it's implanted.

Did you not read the 2nd paragraph of my OP ?

 

[Salty]

Sure, the Apostle Paul could have written "Ye, from the Lord - a micro-chip shall be what is needed to buy or sell"
How many people would have any understanding of that. And those in the first century would think Paul had finally flipped his lid.

 

[timtofly]

I doubt it will be computer based. The Second Coming will likely destroy and burn up everything technology wise from the last 1991 years. Perhaps even mass weapons of destruction since 500 bc. Satan will have to start from scratch or drag technology back out of the pit, when it opens at the 5th Trumpet. I am sure all those aliens in flying saucers should restore technology super quick.

 

[Reformed1689]

Says it'll be a "mark". A MC can be a mark where it's implanted.

Did you not read the 2nd paragraph of my OP ?

I did, but I am asking how you came up with most likely a microchip.

 

[robycop3]

I doubt it will be computer based. The Second Coming will likely destroy and burn up everything technology wise from the last 1991 years. Perhaps even mass weapons of destruction since 500 bc. Satan will have to start from scratch or drag technology back out of the pit, when it opens at the 5th Trumpet. I am sure all those aliens in flying saucers should restore technology super quick.

The coming of the antichrist, marka the beast, great trib, etc. will be BEFORE Jesus' 2nd coming.

 

[robycop3]

I did, but I am asking how you came up with most likely a microchip.

Because there may be some new tech invented that's better than MCs between now & then.

 

[Reformed1689]

Because there may be some new tech invented that's better than MCs between now & then.

I think you are missing my point

 

[robycop3]

I think you are missing my point

Know of any other literal marks it might be that can be used for business transactions ?

 

[Reformed1689]

Know of any other literal marks it might be that can be used for business transactions ?

Could be a tattoo, could be something you have to wear, could be any number of things. It doesn't say that the mark is USED for the transaction. It says you can't transact unless you have it. Don't read things into the passage that are not there.

 

[robycop3]

Could be a tattoo, could be something you have to wear, could be any number of things. It doesn't say that the mark is USED for the transaction. It says you can't transact unless you have it. Don't read things into the passage that are not there.

Most of those things can be altered or put on-removed at will. I believe the mark will be something permanent. Right now, a microchip fills the bill better than anything else. Whatever it is, the user will accept it willingly, thus condemning him/herself.

 

[Reformed1689]

Most of those things can be altered or put on-removed at will. I believe the mark will be something permanent. Right now, a microchip fills the bill better than anything else. Whatever it is, the user will accept it willingly, thus condemning him/herself.

My point is there really is no point speculating in what it is or is not.

 

[robycop3]

My point is there really is no point speculating in what it is or is not.

Well, actually, there IS. When the rapture occurs, there'll be no Christians left to warn against it, but many of those left behind will have heard of it. If they know what it is, they can avoid it. Right now, few people will accept an implantable MC for any reason, except medical, such as a pacemaker enabler, etc.

 

[just-want-peace]

My point is there really is no point speculating in what it is or is not.

Disagree. I think that showing that this (whatever "this" is at any given time) means it's possible for this to be fulfilled, will/should cause a few eyes to open & look at prophecy in a new light!
Before the internet, MC, etc. there was no clue as to HOW this control would/could be accomplished - now we have a pretty darn good idea of the possibility.

May change tween now & then, but just KNOWING it's possible now is an eye-opener.

 

[Reformed1689]

Disagree. I think that showing that this (whatever "this" is at any given time) means it's possible for this to be fulfilled, will/should cause a few eyes to open & look at prophecy in a new light!
Before the internet, MC, etc. there was no clue as to HOW this control would/could be accomplished - now we have a pretty darn good idea of the possibility.

May change tween now & then, but just KNOWING it's possible now is an eye-opener.

Except that is not true, as I have pointed out, this has ALWAYS been possible. It does not say the mark is used for the transaction, it says it allows you to transact.

 

[just-want-peace]

Except that is not true, as I have pointed out, this has ALWAYS been possible. It does not say the mark is used for the transaction, it says it allows you to transact.

A difference that is insignificant; it is required regardless!

And, it has not ALWAYS been possible. Without modern technology central control of INDIVIDUALS world-wide could never happen as stated in scripture.

But the point is moot anyway ‘cause we NOW KNOW THAT individual control is possible from some central point when the time is ripe.

But thank God we Christians will be long gone from ole terra firma at this point!!!!

 

[Reformed1689]

And, it has not ALWAYS been possible. Without modern technology central control of INDIVIDUALS world-wide could never happen as stated in scripture.

I was talking about the marking mechanism aspect, not control aspect.

 

[timtofly]

The coming of the antichrist, marka the beast, great trib, etc. will be BEFORE Jesus' 2nd coming.

Based on human eschatology. Not based on the Word of God.

Jesus and the angels are going to come and gather the final harvest. Then Satan gets the left over gleanings, if any are left.

 

[Hobie]

The mark of the beast will be literal, most likely some sorta microchip. After all how could something symbolis allow people to conduct business?

Some make the ridiculous argument that MCs aren't mentioned in Scripture. GOD KNOWS THAT, & He knew that MCs would be here in the then-future, so He simply called them "marks". (Just as Jesus, knowing what meteors are, said the stars shall fall. He wanted to use language that had meaning to His audience/readership of that time.)

The tech for such implantable MCs exists right now. They can't hold all of a person's financial records, enabling one to do all his banking from it, but they CAN hold all of one's personal info, PIN #s, passwords, etc. And it's only a matter of time before virtually every place of business will have a scanner that can read those implantable MCs.

Recently, several companies offered its employees such implants to contain their PIN #s to allow them to open doors within their business place, access certain computers, etc. THE VAST MAJORITY OF THOSE EMPLOYEES, CHRISTIAN OR NOT, REFUSED THEM ! In a poll, most of them equated them with the marka the beast!

When the beast/antichrist comes to power, the Jews will either already have a new temple in Jerusalem, or it'll be built very shortly thereafter. And the rapture will occur at that time as well. The world will accept the beast's glib explanation of why millions of people vanished, and, with no Christian opposition to the implants, he will hawk them as a replacement for cash & cards, being loss-proof, or theft-proof, with tech to prevent unauthorized reading of them. Soon after the rapture, he will enter that temple in Jerusalem, stopping the daily sacrifices in it, & declare himself to be God, and his sidekick the false prophet will make the implants mandatory.

There'll be some who will realize the rapture has occurred, coming to Jesus & not taking the mark. They'll live a rough existence, having to shop in black markets while avoiding the beast's security forces, who will kill any of them they find.

And ALL who take the mark will be condemned to the lake of fire !

Let's please limit the discussion to the mark of the beast & whether it'll be literal or not. If anyone believes it'll be something besides a microchip, but still literal, please chime in !

It will not be something you see, but what you believe (mark on the forehead) or what you follow in your acts (mark on the hand). There will be a great fight for the soul and heart of everyone on earth between good and evil, Gods faithful saints and those who choose Satan as their master. One is led by Christ and his true followers in His church and the other by Satan (or the Dragon) and his representatives who follow the apostate church which teaches against God (pagan rituals and false doctrines) and substitutes what God instituted for man (moral law and Sabbath) with what separates man from God. This apostate church (Beast of Babylon) has managed to do this for centuries and at the end if will become clear what it has done and there will be a choice as it gains allies (image of the Beast) in its fight against God. This is where the mark will be applied, those who choose God and follow Christ, and those who choose Satan and follow the Beast or apostate church with the Pope as its antichrist. Its becoming self evident to all in these final days...