The Mental Illness/Sin Threads

[freeatlast]

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[freeatlast]

The assumption that "the Word of God has the answers for behavioral problems" does not in extend to answer meaning cure.

Sometimes folks seek answers and no cure is found.

The alcoholic can find an answer for why they are an alcoholic, but there is no cure for alcoholism or any other addictive personality disorder manifestation.

A Godly professional will use available tools to first set the alcoholic on a healthy regimen and also counsel to ferret out the triggers. During this process, there is no judgment made as to the spiritual condition, but that be will exposed as the Holy Spirit works in the process.

To suggest that answers equate to cure (even if only implied) is a mistake of Scriptural use.

Yes there is a cure if you believe the bible read 1Cor 6, and such were some of you.

 

[freeatlast]

What is sad is that some actually believe what you posted and serve wine at the table of the Lord.

The addictive personality isn't cured, but struggles daily to hold the Word of God against the fiery darts of the enemy.

For you to make such a grandiose statement as "all on(e) need to cure alcoholism is to become a Christian" is false.

That is like saying all one needs to cure lust of the flesh, lust of the eyes, and pride of life that manifest them self in sin is to "become a Christian."

Paul states he struggled daily with matters of the flesh.
Peter and Paul both gave letters to the believers with what is to be "added to the faith" in order to gain control over the body.
Jesus, often rebukes the believer as any good parent would any child.
John states that we have an advocate

Does God always provide a way of escape? Yes

Did Christ always provide an immediate cure? No

Sometimes as one grows and matures in wisdom and knowledge of the Word, they set aside besetting sin by shear force of human effort, and/or sometimes the Holy Spirit will strengthen the person; however, the statement you made is false and not supported by Scriptural principle.

The cure is always the same, confess and forsake.

 

[matt wade]

The alcoholic can find an answer for why they are an alcoholic, but there is no cure for alcoholism or any other addictive personality disorder manifestation.

Baloney. I was an alcoholic. I was thoroughly addicted to alcohol. I wouldn't go a single day without it and most days drank myself till I passed out.

I was saved by God and asked God to take it from me. He did. End of story. I'm not an alcoholic anymore.

 

[freeatlast]

You didn't look at the other half of the list did you. This comes from the same website.

Here are some of the others listed under Childhood Disorders:

• Asperger's Syndrome
• Attachment Disorder
• Attention Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD/ADD)
• Autism
• Conduct Disorder
• Disorder of Written Expression
• Encopresis
• Enuresis
• Expressive Language Disorder
• Mathematics Disorder
• Mental Retardation
• Oppositional Defiant Disorder
• Pica
• Reading Disorder
• Rett's Disorder
• Rumination Disorder
• Selective Mutism
• Separation Anxiety Disorder
• Stereotypic Movement Disorder
• Stuttering
• Tourette's Disorder
• Transient Tic Disorder

Now, is mental retardation, and even stuttering in children caused by sinful actions and treatable by confession of sin? You are right, these are not the more obvious physical neurological disorders, but neither are they simple disorders treatable by confession of sin. Medications are quite in order in many of these ailments.

All behavior problems stem from indwelling sin. For instance little children who have never been tight to lie will all lie at some point. They are selfish naturally, and in fact we are all born with a Narcissistic personality. The cure is training them up in the way they should go.

However for those parents who do not train their child properly then at some point the sin grows into greater sins. By the time the child is able to understand right from wrong their sin is not only willful but pure rebellion and the only cure is confession and forsaking it in Christ. The problem arises when that person grows into adulthood with the sin instead of coming to the Lord at a young age to deal with their sins. If they do finally come the battle begins and it can be a difficult issue, but the cure is always the same, confession and forsaking.
The problem is that many have been lied to about their condition with the false claim of it being from mental illness instead of just an evil heart. Then there are some who want free from the consequences of their actions but not free of the sin itself so drugs are turned to. All bad behavior is due to indwelling sin and no drug can fix that as it is a spiritual issue that can only be dealt with by confession and forsaking.

 

[annsni]

Baloney. I was an alcoholic. I was thoroughly addicted to alcohol. I wouldn't go a single day without it and most days drank myself till I passed out.

I was saved by God and asked God to take it from me. He did. End of story. I'm not an alcoholic anymore.

Some do have it happen that way just as my daughter was miraculously healed last year. Others don't and continue to struggle with that addiction for the rest of their lives even if they never have another drink. They still have the desire for it. Just as my daughter was healed and my friend's son was not just two months later, some will find immediate delivery from addiction and others will have that flesh continue to desire it for the rest of their lives and it's something that they just have to live with. God never promises to take all temptations out of our way - but He will provide a way out.

 

[freeatlast]

I know many who have become Christians even one who became and preacher and he said that one drink would send him right back to alcohol. Because it is an addiction. People get saved and become christians all the time and still are addicted to nicotine, and need those cigarettes, other throw them away.

I have Uncles that are extreme acoholics one was in the service. He received Christ as His savior but was still addicted and it took years for him to be totaly free of it. The Army finally sent him to a hospital in D.C. to get him clean of it. As for as I know he still addicted to the cigarettes. He is still saved so salvation is no a cure all answer to acoholism.

There is no question that long term sin makes it more difficult to let go of the sin. However at the same point for the believer we know this;
1Cor 10:13
There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God [is] faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear [it].


Also we know this;
1Cor 6
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.


The focus is on the this passage;
And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.


It is true that salvation does not bring an instant end to sin in the person's life, but it does bring an instant end to sinning as a practice no matter what the previous sins were. We know that because of 1John 3;
Whoever makes a practice of sinning is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil.
No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God's [fn] seed abides in him, and he cannot keep on sinning because he has been born of God.


There just is no exceptions because if there was then we would all be an exception. As to your uncle I cannot tell you when he got saved, but I can tell you that when he did he no longer practiced drunkenness. He may have slipped from time to time on a particular ocasion, but it was no longer a practice because any practice of sinning proves the person is not saved according to the bible.

 

[matt wade]

Some do have it happen that way just as my daughter was miraculously healed last year. Others don't and continue to struggle with that addiction for the rest of their lives even if they never have another drink. They still have the desire for it. Just as my daughter was healed and my friend's son was not just two months later, some will find immediate delivery from addiction and others will have that flesh continue to desire it for the rest of their lives and it's something that they just have to live with. God never promises to take all temptations out of our way - but He will provide a way out.

God will take away any addiction that a person repents of and has faith that God will take it away.

 

[freeatlast]

Some do have it happen that way just as my daughter was miraculously healed last year. Others don't and continue to struggle with that addiction for the rest of their lives even if they never have another drink. They still have the desire for it. Just as my daughter was healed and my friend's son was not just two months later, some will find immediate delivery from addiction and others will have that flesh continue to desire it for the rest of their lives and it's something that they just have to live with. God never promises to take all temptations out of our way - but He will provide a way out.

There is no promise of physically healing but there is for healing of sin. Ann you keep denying scripture for what the world teaches. Such WERE some of you, not such ARE some of you. The problem with so many is they are calling people saved who prove they are not by their actions and to combat scripture they say they are mentally ill and put them on drugs. Scripture never fails, as no saved person continues to practice sin and what is left just needs to be confessed and forsaken.

 

[annsni]

God will take away any addiction that a person repents of and has faith that God will take it away.

I haven't seen that to be true. Sometimes God heals and sometimes, for His own reasons, He chooses not to. That includes addiction.

 

[matt wade]

I haven't seen that to be true. Sometimes God heals and sometimes, for His own reasons, He chooses not to. That includes addiction.

That may be true for some physical situation, but addiction is nothing more than sin. God will deliver you from it.

 

[annsni]

That may be true for some physical situation, but addiction is nothing more than sin. God will deliver you from it.

I will disagree with you on this. What sin has the infant had that is addicted to heroin because his mother used? Additionally, there is solid research that that shows changes in the brain with addiction. You can read more here:

http://learn.genetics.utah.edu/content/addiction/drugs/brainimage.html

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2851068/

http://www.jci.org/articles/view/18533

 

[revmwc]

God will take away any addiction that a person repents of and has faith that God will take it away.

2 CORINTHIANS 2:7 And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.

8 For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me.

9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

10 Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.

11 I am become a fool in glorying; ye have compelled me: for I ought to have been commended of you: for in nothing am I behind the very chiefest apostles, though I be nothing.

Paul ask the Lord to remove his thorn in the flesh and God told him no. So God might not remove every addiction but make it where one must depend on Him. God will:

1 Corinthians 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

Make a way of escaping the temptation and He just might do that through the medication He has given man the knowledge to use to make that medication. God's grace provision could be by using man's knowledge and creating ability to make the drug that helps one escape the temptation.

 

[matt wade]

I will disagree with you on this. What sin has the infant had that is addicted to heroin because his mother used? Additionally, there is solid research that that shows changes in the brain with addiction. You can read more here:

The infant has some physical dependencies on the drug because of his mother's sin. Those physical dependencies can be dealt with. That doesn't make the infant an addict. The sin of wanting and using a drug makes one an addict.

 

[revmwc]

Baloney. I was an alcoholic. I was thoroughly addicted to alcohol. I wouldn't go a single day without it and most days drank myself till I passed out.

I was saved by God and asked God to take it from me. He did. End of story. I'm not an alcoholic anymore.

I know men who are reformed acholics just like you and they will say that one drink will drive them back to the juice. I have known a pastor who was an acoholic and he made the same statement one drink and right back to the acohol.

Can God take it away yes if He desires to, can He allow the cravings yes He can just as He allowed Pauls thorn in the flesh to remain.

 

[matt wade]

I know men who are reformed acholics just like you and they will say that one drink will drive them back to the juice. I have known a pastor who was an acoholic and he made the same statement one drink and right back to the acohol.

Can God take it away yes if He desires to, can He allow the cravings yes He can just as He allowed Pauls thorn in the flesh to remain.

If they took just one drink they would be sinning again. What's your point?

 

[matt wade]

Paul ask the Lord to remove his thorn in the flesh and God told him no. So God might not remove every addiction but make it where one must depend on Him.

Paul's thorn wasn't an addiction.

 

[Fred's Wife]

Baloney. I was an alcoholic. I was thoroughly addicted to alcohol. I wouldn't go a single day without it and most days drank myself till I passed out.

I was saved by God and asked God to take it from me. He did. End of story. I'm not an alcoholic anymore.

Amen!!! :thumbsup::thumbsup:

 

[Steadfast Fred]

Baloney. I was an alcoholic. I was thoroughly addicted to alcohol. I wouldn't go a single day without it and most days drank myself till I passed out.

I was saved by God and asked God to take it from me. He did. End of story. I'm not an alcoholic anymore.

Amen!

Some just do not believe Paul was truthful when he said, "and such were some of you."

 

[agedman]

Baloney. I was an alcoholic. I was thoroughly addicted to alcohol. I wouldn't go a single day without it and most days drank myself till I passed out.

I was saved by God and asked God to take it from me. He did. End of story. I'm not an alcoholic anymore.

I think that God performed a wonderful service to remove any desire; however, not one person has the same experience when it comes to personal testimony.

The same is will all manner of the healing work.

Christ definitely brings healing for the enemy seeks only to destroy. There is certain scars and lasting desires in which some are beset - this is according to the purpose of God. Paul refers more than once that the believers are to guard and build that they not be overtaken, and, if one is overtaken, the spiritual are to aid in restoration.

To what extent and as to the time frame, no desire for former addiction occurs in the life of a believer, is up to God's purpose. Some pray often and fervently, yet are reminded as Paul, "My Grace is sufficient..." The why may merely be the opportunity to boast being removed, or the impressing of the believer being actively involved in making no provision for the flesh.

Paul said we are to put on the whole armor, and that the Sword of the Word was what quenched the fiery darts. If there were no fiery darts there would be no need for the Word to be held between them self and the enemy.

There are those who daily wake, take up the armor and the sword, and continue in the Spirit contending for the faith; knowing that, although they do certainly love the Lord with all their heart, mind, soul, and strength, they bravely hold forth the Word to bring honor to Christ.