The Mental Illness/Sin Threads

[freeatlast]

Produce a picture of a soul.

Ann your continuation of making false statements saying people say things when they have not or twisting what they do say is your picture. Remove the blinders and look at it!

 

[annsni]

Ann your continuation of making false statements saying people say things when they have not or twisting what they do say is your picture. Remove the blinders and look at it!

All I said is to post a picture of a soul. We were challenged to post a picture of a mind, I'd like to see a picture of a soul. No false statement here and you have no basis for an accusation at all. I doest think the man protests too much!! I wonder why?

 

[freeatlast]

The Word of God has answers to all those "disorders". But hey, why should anyone depend on the Word of God. Right? After all, we have mind altering drugs that can control those problems.

Then again, maybe not seeing the amount of outbursts in these "mental Illness" threads.

Alcoholism is not a disorder. Such statement is just another way to cover responsibility for sin as drugs do.
Alcoholism come s from sinning. No one ever becomes an alcoholic who has never been drunk. Alcoholism is sinning ones self into a trap of sin.

Drugs only mask while confession and forsaking heals the sinner.
All eating disorders are not disorders but sin run wild. Identity disorder is not a disorder but sin run wild. all sin is dealt with the same way, confession and forsaking. The rebellious reject that and seek other ways of dealing with their sin. Some just cover it with drugs and some use terms to justify but all it does is add to the sin already in place and mask the truth to themselves.

 

[freeatlast]

All I said is to post a picture of a soul. We were challenged to post a picture of a mind, I'd like to see a picture of a soul. No false statement here and you have no basis for an accusation at all. I doest think the man protests too much!! I wonder why?

:laugh::laugh:

 

[freeatlast]

The obvious error I see here is the line of reasoning that says the mind is non-physical, that thoughts are the product of the mind and not the brain.

I see this as an obvious error because if it were true, then medications would have no effect on thoughts; and yet, medication is used successfully to change thoughts and behaviors.

The obvious linkage between brain and mind is inescapable. Changes to brain structure, such as from trauma (think vehicle accidents, sports injuries, and military-related TBI) have an effect on the way the brain works, and subsequently have an effect on the way people think and behave.

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No brain injury or condition has ever caused a person to sin just it has ever caused a person to do righteousness. Our behavior in regards to living a godly life is always at the will of the person because of spiritual issues and where there is sin in the heart the only cure is confession and forsaking, not drugs.

 

[InTheLight]

Alcoholism is not a disorder.
All eating disorders are not disorders but sin run wild. Identity disorder is not a disorder but sin run wild. all sin is dealt with the same way, confession and forsaking.

How about post traumatic stress disorder? What sin should be confessed and forsaken?

 

[freeatlast]

How about post traumatic stress disorder? What sin should be confessed and forsaken?

It depends on the person. Did you read the article and watch the video?

 

[Luke2427]

The obvious error I see here is the line of reasoning that says the mind is non-physical, that thoughts are the product of the mind and not the brain.

I see this as an obvious error because if it were true, then medications would have no effect on thoughts; and yet, medication is used successfully to change thoughts and behaviors.

The obvious linkage between brain and mind is inescapable. Changes to brain structure, such as from trauma (think vehicle accidents, sports injuries, and military-related TBI) have an effect on the way the brain works, and subsequently have an effect on the way people think and behave.

QUOTE]

No brain injury or condition has ever caused a person to sin just it has ever caused a person to do righteousness. Our behavior in regards to living a godly life is always at the will of the person because of spiritual issues and where there is sin in the heart the only cure is confession and forsaking, not drugs.

It depends on how YOU define sin. How do you define sin?

Is it an act totally with or without motive and intent or is it strictly a matter of the heart, etc...?

How do you define sin?

 

[freeatlast]

It depends on how YOU define sin. How do you define sin?

Is it an act totally with or without motive and intent or is it strictly a matter of the heart, etc...?

How do you define sin?

Mat 12:35
A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.
Mat 15:19
For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:

 

[Luke2427]

Mat 12:35
A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.
Mat 15:19
For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:

So if a man is sleep walking, dreaming about fighting for his life in Vietnam, and he beats his daughter to death in his sleep- is he a murderer?

 

[freeatlast]

So if a man is sleep walking, dreaming about fighting for his life in Vietnam, and he beats his daughter to death in his sleep- is he a murderer?

Watch the video.

 

[Luke2427]

Watch the video.

The question is extraordinarily simple.

Are you afraid of the question?

 

[mandym]

One of the biggest signs of so-called schizophrenia is extreme fear.

The Bible says Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace because he trusteth in Thee.

Of course, who would want to trust in the Lord? Right? I mean, we have drugs that can keep those voices from telling us to fear anything and everything.

Inappropriate laughter
Hostility
Speaking in a strange manner unlike themselves.

Sound more like demon possession to me.

Another sign of schzophrenia? Social Isolation or withdrawal.

Really? I guess the psychiatrists of today would have diagnosed Jesus as being schizophrenic since he often went off by Himself for solitude.

I just want to thank you for confirming your absolute silliness.

 

[Steadfast Fred]

Alcoholism is not a disorder. Such statement is just another way to cover responsibility for sin as drugs do.
Alcoholism come s from sinning. No one ever becomes an alcoholic who has never been drunk. Alcoholism is sinning ones self into a trap of sin.

Drugs only mask while confession and forsaking heals the sinner.
All eating disorders are not disorders but sin run wild. Identity disorder is not a disorder but sin run wild. all sin is dealt with the same way, confession and forsaking. The rebellious reject that and seek other ways of dealing with their sin. Some just cover it with drugs and some use terms to justify but all it does is add to the sin already in place and mask the truth to themselves.

I know alcoholism is not a disorder. That is why I put quotes around the word disorder.

My point was, every one of those "disorders" is nothing more than a behavioral problem. And the Word of God has answers for behavioral problems.

 

[agedman]

I know alcoholism is not a disorder. That is why I put quotes around the word disorder.

My point was, every one of those "disorders" is nothing more than a behavioral problem. And the Word of God has answers for behavioral problems.

The assumption that "the Word of God has the answers for behavioral problems" does not in extend to answer meaning cure.

Sometimes folks seek answers and no cure is found.

The alcoholic can find an answer for why they are an alcoholic, but there is no cure for alcoholism or any other addictive personality disorder manifestation.

A Godly professional will use available tools to first set the alcoholic on a healthy regimen and also counsel to ferret out the triggers. During this process, there is no judgment made as to the spiritual condition, but that be will exposed as the Holy Spirit works in the process.

To suggest that answers equate to cure (even if only implied) is a mistake of Scriptural use.

 

[Steadfast Fred]

The assumption that "the Word of God has the answers for behavioral problems" does not in extend to answer meaning cure.

Sometimes folks seek answers and no cure is found.

The alcoholic can find an answer for why they are an alcoholic, but there is no cure for alcoholism or any other addictive personality disorder manifestation.

A Godly professional will use available tools to first set the alcoholic on a healthy regimen and also counsel to ferret out the triggers. During this process, there is no judgment made as to the spiritual condition, but that be will exposed as the Holy Spirit works in the process.

To suggest that answers equate to cure (even if only implied) is a mistake of Scriptural use.

And God told Paul, "Your local pharmacy is Sufficient."

What? That's not what it says? Oh, I misread. "My Grace is Sufficient."

There is a cure for alcoholism. The world would have you believe there is no cure. They want to keep you in bondage. But the Word of God reveals the cure.

There is no such thing as a Christian Alcoholic. The two are diametrically opposed to each other.

That's right, all on needs to cure alcoholism is to become a Christian.

And the same cure for the alcoholic (the Bible calls them drunkards) will cure all of those other disorders. That cure is the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[mandym]

And God told Paul, "Your local pharmacy is Sufficient."

What? That's not what it says? Oh, I misread. "My Grace is Sufficient."

There is a cure for alcoholism. The world would have you believe there is no cure. They want to keep you in bondage. But the Word of God reveals the cure.

There is no such thing as a Christian Alcoholic. The two are diametrically opposed to each other.

That's right, all on needs to cure alcoholism is to become a Christian.

And the same cure for the alcoholic (the Bible calls them drunkards) will cure all of those other disorders. That cure is the Lord Jesus Christ.

You may want to take a look at your signature.

 

[agedman]

And God told Paul, "Your local pharmacy is Sufficient."

What? That's not what it says? Oh, I misread. "My Grace is Sufficient."

There is a cure for alcoholism. The world would have you believe there is no cure. They want to keep you in bondage. But the Word of God reveals the cure.

There is no such thing as a Christian Alcoholic. The two are diametrically opposed to each other.

That's right, all on needs to cure alcoholism is to become a Christian.

And the same cure for the alcoholic (the Bible calls them drunkards) will cure all of those other disorders. That cure is the Lord Jesus Christ.

What is sad is that some actually believe what you posted and serve wine at the table of the Lord.

The addictive personality isn't cured, but struggles daily to hold the Word of God against the fiery darts of the enemy.

For you to make such a grandiose statement as "all on(e) need to cure alcoholism is to become a Christian" is false.

That is like saying all one needs to cure lust of the flesh, lust of the eyes, and pride of life that manifest them self in sin is to "become a Christian."

Paul states he struggled daily with matters of the flesh.
Peter and Paul both gave letters to the believers with what is to be "added to the faith" in order to gain control over the body.
Jesus, often rebukes the believer as any good parent would any child.
John states that we have an advocate

Does God always provide a way of escape? Yes

Did Christ always provide an immediate cure? No

Sometimes as one grows and matures in wisdom and knowledge of the Word, they set aside besetting sin by shear force of human effort, and/or sometimes the Holy Spirit will strengthen the person; however, the statement you made is false and not supported by Scriptural principle.

 

[DHK]

The Word of God has answers to all those "disorders". But hey, why should anyone depend on the Word of God. Right? After all, we have mind altering drugs that can control those problems.

Then again, maybe not seeing the amount of outbursts in these "mental Illness" threads.

You didn't look at the other half of the list did you. This comes from the same website.

Here are some of the others listed under Childhood Disorders:

• Asperger's Syndrome
• Attachment Disorder
• Attention Deficit/Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD/ADD)
• Autism
• Conduct Disorder
• Disorder of Written Expression
• Encopresis
• Enuresis
• Expressive Language Disorder
• Mathematics Disorder
• Mental Retardation
• Oppositional Defiant Disorder
• Pica
• Reading Disorder
• Rett's Disorder
• Rumination Disorder
• Selective Mutism
• Separation Anxiety Disorder
• Stereotypic Movement Disorder
• Stuttering
• Tourette's Disorder
• Transient Tic Disorder

Now, is mental retardation, and even stuttering in children caused by sinful actions and treatable by confession of sin? You are right, these are not the more obvious physical neurological disorders, but neither are they simple disorders treatable by confession of sin. Medications are quite in order in many of these ailments.

 

[revmwc]

And God told Paul, "Your local pharmacy is Sufficient."

What? That's not what it says? Oh, I misread. "My Grace is Sufficient."

There is a cure for alcoholism. The world would have you believe there is no cure. They want to keep you in bondage. But the Word of God reveals the cure.

There is no such thing as a Christian Alcoholic. The two are diametrically opposed to each other.

That's right, all on needs to cure alcoholism is to become a Christian.

And the same cure for the alcoholic (the Bible calls them drunkards) will cure all of those other disorders. That cure is the Lord Jesus Christ.

I know many who have become Christians even one who became and preacher and he said that one drink would send him right back to alcohol. Because it is an addiction. People get saved and become christians all the time and still are addicted to nicotine, and need those cigarettes, other throw them away.

I have Uncles that are extreme acoholics one was in the service. He received Christ as His savior but was still addicted and it took years for him to be totaly free of it. The Army finally sent him to a hospital in D.C. to get him clean of it. As for as I know he still addicted to the cigarettes. He is still saved so salvation is no a cure all answer to acoholism.