Did God cause the jealousy of the Jews that led them to murder Him?
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The Murder of Jesus
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Did God cause the jealousy of the Jews that led them to murder Him?
37818
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False premise. Jesus solely died physically by His own will. Luke 23:46, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.
The Holy Spirit through the mouth of Peter (Acts of the Apostles 4:8) :
10 be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even in him doth this man stand here before you whole. Acts 4
...and the scriptures are very plain that it was MURDER.
Being the anti-Cal that you are, aren't you just as bad as them? Christ causes His own death, and yet severely pours out wrath on another party for His own doing?
37818
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No. They were murderers. Just because it was beyond there physical ability to actually kill to carry out their hate. They did cause Him to go to the cross.
So, you finally agree with the Holy Spirit, the crucifixion of Christ was murder.
37818
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But He solely physically died by His own will.
K. I don't know why you even mention that. It's never been in question.
37818
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The issue is an apparent notion that Jesus being murdered caused His physical death.
Which post carries that notion?
37818
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The very title of this thread.
So, you're still at odds with the Holy Spirit Who makes plain that the crucifixion was murder.
I suggest this 'notion' of yours is to be found only in your imagination.
37818
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The murderers didn't have power to kill Jesus.
K. Has that been questioned, or denied? John 19:11
You're the one that keeps with the false premise.
37818
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Jesus answered, Thou couldest have no power at all against me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath the greater sin.
Is not in question.
What false premise?
Fact 1, John 10:17-18,
Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself.
Fact 2, Luke 23:46, And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.
None of His murderers killed Jesus.
This is your false premise - the 'notion' that anyone on this thread has said otherwise.
The scriptures say it - over and over and over again.
37818
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Oh. So it is agreed, that none of Jesus' murderers actually murdered/killed Jesus? Though they wanted to.