37818
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The identity of the sheep are Christ's doing. Per Matthew 25:32, John 10:27.
How is one's name in His book? Revelation 20:15.
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The Murder of Jesus
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26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep.
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: Jn 10
You still have it backwards. One believes because they are His sheep, NOT sheep because they believe.
You lack the sense to take joy in that truth.
Above my pay grade. Definitely not because of anything I have done.
8 And all that dwell on the earth shall worship him, every one whose name hath not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb that hath been slain. Rev 13
8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and is about to come up out of the abyss, and to go into perdition. And they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, they whose name hath not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast, how that he was, and is not, and shall come. Rev 17
4 even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blemish before him in love: Eph 1
20 Nevertheless in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rejoice that your names are written in heaven. Lu 10
But no doubt you lack the sense to rejoice in that truth also. You just want to defeat 'Calvinism'.
37818
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@kyredneck,
John 20:31, But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
1 John 5:10, He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
John 20:31, But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
1 John 5:10, He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
Are you trying to be tricky? Deceitful? Once again you leave out a crucial contextual verse:
30 Many other signs therefore did Jesus in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book:
31 but these are written, that ye may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye may have life in his name. Jn 20
"This book" is NOT the book of life of the Lamb that hath been slain. It's the Gospel of John.
K. So? What's your point? Is this supposed to shed light on the book of life somehow?
37818
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I assumed you understood that.
One's name being in the book of life is the requirement not to perish per Revelation 20:15.
1 John 5:4-5, Revelation 3:5.
37818
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You are a believer in our Lord Jesus being the Christ, are you not?
1 John 5:1, Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . .
2 John 1:9.
I understand that the passage is not relevant to how one's name gets written in the book of life of the Lamb that hath been slain.
Forget your anti-Calvinist mindset for a minute and see if you're able to see the synonymy of these two passages:
26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep. Jn 10
8 And all that dwell on the earth shall worship him, every one whose name hath not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb that hath been slain. Rev 13
K. So? What's your point? Is this supposed to shed light on the book of life somehow?
Totally synonymous with:
27 My sheep hear... Jn 10
Are you imagining this passage as saying 'Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ will become born of God'? Because it DOES NOT say that. Those believing are already born of God:
1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is begotten of God: and whosoever loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. 1 Jn 5
36 He that believeth on the Son hath eternal life; but he that obeyeth not the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abideth on him. Jn 3
21 But he that doeth the truth cometh to the light, that his works may be made manifest, that they have been wrought in God. Jn 3
24 .....He that heareth my word, and believeth him that sent me, hath eternal life,...Jn 5
47 .... He that believeth hath eternal life. Jn 6
Again, you've got it backwards.
37818
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Is born of God.
Once again:
K. So? What's your point? Is this supposed to shed light on the book of life somehow?
37818
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You really do not know?
1 John 5:9-13, If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
Yea, I'd really like to know. As is typical with you, your posts become increasingly irrelevant. Can you pull out, highlight, emphasize, the points in this passage that you believe refutes anything i've posted?
Please, I'd really like to understand the relevancy that you see in this passage to what we've been discussing.
Are you being tricky again? Trying to make it appear as if I'm the dense one here? You're the one that is unable to maintain relevancy and stay on topic. I'm beginning to think you're scatter-brained, unable to stay on point, and the only thing that remains with you is your obsession to 'destroy Calvinism', 'bash Calvinism'.
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37818
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Huh.
Matthew 11:27-30, All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him. Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.
1 John 5:4, For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
Revelation 3:5, He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
Revelation 21:7, He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
Again, you're posting scripture that has nothing top do with what we've been discussing.
How does this relate to how one's name gets in to the book of life?
37818
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Revelation 3:5 is how a name is never to be removed.
Otherwise names can be removed.
2 Peter 2:1, But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
Which is outside of Calvinism.
Once again a naysayer offers the logical fallacy of against the person argumentation to derail discussion of the topic.
Is there an example where God takes vengeance upon those compelled or acting according to God's predetermined plan? No, I did not see one either!!
I do hate the false doctrines that corrupt our understanding of God's word and Christ's gospel. But of course I do not hate the dupes mislead by these false doctrines, as we all see through a glass darkly. Now when one of these dupes employ demonic methods, such as slander, I see them as a lost sheep without a good shepherd.
37 All that which the Father giveth me shall come unto me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. Jn 6
This is ALL you anti-Sovereign Grace types ever do, pit scripture against scripture with no attempt to harmonize.
5 He that overcometh shall thus be arrayed in white garments; and I will in no wise blot his name out of the book of life, and I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. Rev 5
5 And who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God? 1 Jn 5
It's outside 'Calvinism' because that's all you ever look for. It's sadly most likely the sum total of your Bible study. There 's 'problem passages' for all views to solve, and this one is very very minor for 'Calvinism'..
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