37818
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You are being an accuser. The written word of God is true. Romans 2:1, John 17:17.
1 John 2:27.
1 Corinthians 1:10.
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The Murder of Jesus
- Thread starter Marooncat79
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1 John 2:27.
1 Corinthians 1:10.
37818
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No. Because of a false view. And there is no counter correcting cross references. The truth stands.
2 Peter 2:1, . . . denying the Lord that bought them, . . .
Jude 1:4, . . . denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
Once again, we see a topic changing question.
But oh well:
Genesis 3:15 NKJV
And I will put enmity
Between you and the woman,
And between your seed and her Seed;
He shall bruise your head,
And you shall bruise His heel.”
1) The "you" is Satan.
2) Eve's seed (Jesus) will bruise Satan's head, which I believe conveys the idea of inflicting a mortal wound.
3) As to how did Satan bruise the heel of Jesus:
Since bruise is used again, the idea of a wound seems probable, and Jesus did suffer and physically die on the cross to provide the means of redemption for mankind. But this wound is only on His heel, because Jesus rose on the third day.
As usual, it's all you anti-Cals ever do, pit scripture against scripture with no attempt to harmonize. It's shallow and hasty on your part.
THIS is a "counter correcting cross reference" (one of many) that should cause you to slow down and look deeper before jumping to conclusions:
37 All that which the Father giveth me shall come unto me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. Jn 6
These "were of old written of beforehand unto this condemnation", "being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed", fulfillment of prophecy:
29 I know that after my departing grievous wolves shall enter in among you, not sparing the flock;
30 and from among your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after them. Acts 20
37818
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Accuser, just the opposite.
2 Peter 2:1, . . . denying the Lord that bought them, . . .
Jude 1:4, . . . denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
Just that simple.
Nah, I'm telling it like it is. You're shallow and hasty with the word of God because of your obsession againt His Sovereign Grae (when His grace should cause you to exceedingly rejoice instead of continually replying against it).
2 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. 2 Pe 2
4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. Jude 1
Again, more fulfillment of prophecy:
15 Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep`s clothing, but inwardly are ravening wolves.
16 By their fruits ye shall know them. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but the corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Therefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father who is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy by thy name, and by thy name cast out demons, and by thy name do many mighty works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Mt 7
Once again, we see a topic changing question.
But oh well:
Genesis 3:15 NKJV
And I will put enmity
Between you and the woman,
And between your seed and her Seed;
He shall bruise your head,
And you shall bruise His heel.”
1) The "you" is Satan.
2) Eve's seed (Jesus) will bruise Satan's head, which I believe conveys the idea of inflicting a mortal wound.
3) As to how did Satan bruise the heel of Jesus:
Since bruise is used again, the idea of a wound seems probable, and Jesus did suffer and physically die on the cross to provide the means of redemption for mankind. But this wound is only on His heel, because Jesus rose on the third day.
Once again, we see a topic changing question.
But oh well:
Genesis 3:15 NKJV
And I will put enmity
Between you and the woman,
And between your seed and her Seed;
He shall bruise your head,
And you shall bruise His heel.”
1) The "you" is Satan.
2) Eve's seed (Jesus) will bruise Satan's head, which I believe conveys the idea of inflicting a mortal wound.
3) As to how did Satan bruise the heel of Jesus:
Since bruise is used again, the idea of a wound seems probable, and Jesus did suffer and physically die on the cross to provide the means of redemption for mankind. But this wound is only on His heel, because Jesus rose on the third day.
Stop blowing smoke and answer the question if you're able
Genesis 3:15 NKJV
And I will put enmity
Between you and the woman,
And between your seed and her Seed;
He shall bruise your head,
And you shall bruise His heel.”
1) The "you" is Satan.
2) Eve's seed (Jesus) will bruise Satan's head, which I believe conveys the idea of inflicting a mortal wound.
3) As to how did Satan bruise the heel of Jesus:
Since bruise is used again, the idea of a wound seems probable, and Jesus did suffer and physically die on the cross to provide the means of redemption for mankind. But this wound is only on His heel, because Jesus rose on the third day.
And I will put enmity
Between you and the woman,
And between your seed and her Seed;
He shall bruise your head,
And you shall bruise His heel.”
1) The "you" is Satan.
2) Eve's seed (Jesus) will bruise Satan's head, which I believe conveys the idea of inflicting a mortal wound.
3) As to how did Satan bruise the heel of Jesus:
Since bruise is used again, the idea of a wound seems probable, and Jesus did suffer and physically die on the cross to provide the means of redemption for mankind. But this wound is only on His heel, because Jesus rose on the third day.
Someone would be dense to think of Christ's sacrifice as His murder. Just saying.
Someone would have to be dense to not see that's exactly how the holy Spirit portrays it, as murder. Post #7:
"Well, the culprits sure enough got charged with murder for doing the deed:
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father it is your will to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and standeth not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father thereof. Jn 8
23 him, being delivered up by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye by the hand of lawless men did crucify and slay: Acts 2
14 But ye denied the Holy and Righteous One, and asked for a murderer to be granted unto you,
15 and killed the Prince of life; whom God raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses. Acts 3
10 be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even in him doth this man stand here before you whole. Acts 4
30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew, hanging him on a tree. Acts 5
52 Which of the prophets did not your fathers persecute? and they killed them that showed before of the coming of the Righteous One; of whom ye have now become betrayers and murderers; Acts 7
39 And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the country of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom also they slew, hanging him on a tree. Acts 10
28 And though they found no cause of death in him, yet asked they of Pilate that he should be slain. Acts 13
They even confessed to the crime and willingly accepted the blame:
25 And all the people answered and said, His blood be on us, and on our children. Mt 27
And the wrath came upon them to the uttermost for His murder:
41 They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those miserable men, and will let out the vineyard unto other husbandmen, who shall render him the fruits in their seasons. My 21
7 But the king was wroth; and he sent his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned their city. Mt 22
35 that upon you may come all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of Abel the righteous unto the blood of Zachariah son of Barachiah, whom ye slew between the sanctuary and the altar.
36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation. Mt 23
22 For these are days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
23 Woe unto them that are with child and to them that give suck in those days! for there shall be great distress upon the land, and wrath unto this people.
32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all things be accomplished. Lu 21
14 For ye, brethren, became imitators of the churches of God which are in Judaea in Christ Jesus: for ye also suffered the same things of your own countrymen, even as they did of the Jews;
15 who both killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets, and drove out us, and pleased not God, and are contrary to all men;
16 forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they may be saved; to fill up their sins always: but the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost. 1 Thess 2"
LOL, There must be over 100 posts where a naysayer posts, "So you are saying" then postulates unadulterated hogwash.
They all play the same tune, you are wrong, I am right, and nothing you can say will change my mind.
Was Christ murdered or did He lay down His own life? He laid down His own life.
Did godless men crucify and slay Jesus? Yes of course. Did this occurrence overrule the Sovereignty of God? Nope.
If Jesus did not lay down His life, could those godless men have taken His life? No, of course not. God Almighty means He can do whatever He desires and nothing can overrule His power.
Yes to both.
Did God almighty implant/cause the jealousy that drove those Jews to murder Christ?
17 When therefore they were gathered together, Pilate said unto them, Whom will ye that I release unto you? Barabbas, or Jesus who is called Christ?
18 For he knew that for envy they had delivered him up. Mt 27
Once again this poster denies that godless men, who were motivated by sin, such as envy, could not take or murder Jesus, unless the Son of God, laid down his life as a ransom for all.
Liar. That's NOT what I said. Not even close.
"Someone would have to be dense to not see that's exactly how the Holy Spirit portrays it, as murder. Post #7:
Well, the culprits sure enough got charged with murder for doing the deed:
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father it is your will to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and standeth not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father thereof. Jn 8
23 him, being delivered up by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye by the hand of lawless men did crucify and slay: Acts 2
14 But ye denied the Holy and Righteous One, and asked for a murderer to be granted unto you,
15 and killed the Prince of life; whom God raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses. Acts 3
10 be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even in him doth this man stand here before you whole. Acts 4
30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew, hanging him on a tree. Acts 5
52 Which of the prophets did not your fathers persecute? and they killed them that showed before of the coming of the Righteous One; of whom ye have now become betrayers and murderers; Acts 7
39 And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the country of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom also they slew, hanging him on a tree. Acts 10
28 And though they found no cause of death in him, yet asked they of Pilate that he should be slain. Acts 13
They even confessed to the crime and willingly accepted the blame:
25 And all the people answered and said, His blood be on us, and on our children. Mt 27
And the wrath came upon them to the uttermost for His murder:
41 They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those miserable men, and will let out the vineyard unto other husbandmen, who shall render him the fruits in their seasons. My 21
7 But the king was wroth; and he sent his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned their city. Mt 22
35 that upon you may come all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of Abel the righteous unto the blood of Zachariah son of Barachiah, whom ye slew between the sanctuary and the altar.
36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation. Mt 23
22 For these are days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
23 Woe unto them that are with child and to them that give suck in those days! for there shall be great distress upon the land, and wrath unto this people.
32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all things be accomplished. Lu 21
14 For ye, brethren, became imitators of the churches of God which are in Judaea in Christ Jesus: for ye also suffered the same things of your own countrymen, even as they did of the Jews;
15 who both killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets, and drove out us, and pleased not God, and are contrary to all men;
16 forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they may be saved; to fill up their sins always: but the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost. 1 Thess 2"
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