The Parenthesis Church

[percho]

This which you have posted, has either flown over my head, or around it. I will need to study this more in depth before I can give what I would believe to be an adequate response.






Now, onto something I'd like to present:



Hebrews 8
1 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;

2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.





Hebrews 12
1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,

2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.



Jesus is sitting on the Throne now, on the right hand of His Father. He has already usurped David and taken his place.


1 Timothy 2
1 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;

2 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.

3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;

4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.



Jesus, being on the right hand of the Father in heaven, sitting on His throne, is our mediator, our advocate, our big Brother, our intercessor. This is why I believe He is on the throne of David now.

You need to study this after you study the other.

Acts 2:34,35 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, Until I make thy foes thy footstool.

David is both dead (his soul is presently left in Hades) and buried (that is his flesh saw corruption) He, (David) is not in heaven, The Lord (God the Father Of Jesus the Son) said unto my (David's) Lord (Jesus the son also the Son of Man that is of David) sit thou (Jesus) on my (God the Father's) right hand until I (God the Father) make thy (Jesus the Son) foes thy (Jesus the Son's) footstool.

Then the kingdom of God, the throne (tabernacle, house) of David will be established at his appearing.

As OR asked in next post, how did this throne get to heaven?

 

[OldRegular]

David is both dead (his soul is presently left in Hades) and buried (that is his flesh saw corruption) He, (David) is not in heaven, The Lord (God the Father Of Jesus the Son) said unto my (David's) Lord (Jesus the son also the Son of Man that is of David) sit thou (Jesus) on my (God the Father's) right hand until I (God the Father) make thy (Jesus the Son) foes thy (Jesus the Son's) footstool.

Where do you get the idea that the soul of David is not in Heaven?

 

[convicted1]

How did David's throne get to Heaven?:laugh:

I think you know what I was trying to convey in that post, Brother. David was a type of Christ in the OT, which you already know. Jesus fulfilled the OT when He died, and arose, and ascended back to the Father.

 

[convicted1]

Where do you get the idea that the soul of David is not in Heaven?

I was gonna ask this very question myself......

 

[convicted1]

You need to study this after you study the other.

Couldn't agree with you more....

Acts 2:34,35 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, Until I make thy foes thy footstool.

This is referring to his physical body only. When someone dies, their soul leaves their body, and either goes up or down. It doesn't remain in the grave with their physical body.

David is both dead (his soul is presently left in Hades) and buried (that is his flesh saw corruption) He, (David) is not in heaven, The Lord (God the Father Of Jesus the Son) said unto my (David's) Lord (Jesus the son also the Son of Man that is of David) sit thou (Jesus) on my (God the Father's) right hand until I (God the Father) make thy (Jesus the Son) foes thy (Jesus the Son's) footstool.

Again, David's soul went somewhere. If it's not in heaven, then where is it at? In hell(department with the flames, and not the grave), heaven, purgatory, or the paradise compartment in hell(hades)?

Then the kingdom of God, the throne (tabernacle, house) of David will be established at his appearing.

So, this throne remains empty, then? David sure ain't setting on it now.

As OR asked in next post, how did this throne get to heaven?

Okay, maybe I did a sorry job of conveying what I was trying to convey here. Sorry

 

[percho]

Where do you get the idea that the soul of David is not in Heaven?

On the day of Pentecost fifty days after the resurrection of Jesus Peter said that David was not writing concerning himself in Psalms 16 but of his son the Christ.

He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of the Christ,

The resurrection of what?

that his soul (Jesus's) was not left in hell, (Hades, Sheol where the dead are dead) neither his (Jesus's) flesh did see corruption.

Men [and] brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, (The soul who was called David. Souls are people. Eight souls were saved by water, Noah, Mrs Noah, Shem, Japheth, Ham and there wives, whose names we are not given. 8 Souls.) that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.

If the soul David was not resurrected he was left in Hades.

 

[Yeshua1]

For anyone to think that we are presently living in the Kingdom (the millennium) is just unbelievable to me. Our world is dominated by evil and darkness. Just watch the news. The devil is still prowling around seeking those whom he can devour. He is certainly not bound.

Guess the Joker Killer slipped under the rule of jesus , Eh?

reading the OT prophets in their totality regarding the coming messianic Age...

No way this present earth is where the Kingdom is over whole earth, all nations come to bow to God and His King, that justice is acroos the earth...

that sin/sickness/famines/diseases passed away...


satan is bound in order to NOT entice/tempt others to disobey God....

Its more than just bound in order to spread the gospel!

the OT prophets saw BOTH hisfirst/Second Comings, blurred the distinctions, and did NOT see the Church Age, as was NOT revealed to them BY God, but unto the Apostle paul!

 

[asterisktom]

the OT prophets saw BOTH hisfirst/Second Comings, blurred the distinctions, and did NOT see the Church Age, as was NOT revealed to them BY God, but unto the Apostle paul!

Spoken like a true disciple of Clarence Larkin et al. You quote Paul as being on your side, but it was his quotes of those OT prophets that decisively put the nail in the coffin of your assumed blurred visions of the prophets.

Time an again Paul takes those supposed Millennial or "future" prophecies and shows them to be unfolding in his time, or happening in a very short time.

 

[percho]

Couldn't agree with you more....






This is referring to his physical body only. When someone dies, their soul leaves their body, and either goes up or down. It doesn't remain in the grave with their physical body.







Again, David's soul went somewhere. If it's not in heaven, then where is it at? In hell(department with the flames, and not the grave), heaven, purgatory, or the paradise compartment in hell(hades)?




So, this throne remains empty, then? David sure ain't setting on it now.



Okay, maybe I did a sorry job of conveying what I was trying to convey here. Sorry

We have had this conversation before. Spirit is what gives life to a soul existing in an earthly house of tabernacle. The spirit (life) returns to God who gave it. When Jesus commended his spirit into the hands of his Father he died and his life was in the hands of God the Father resurrected Jesus three days and three nights later by his Spirit (Life) See Rom 8:11 The once living soul, Jesus was dead in Hades and the earthly house of tabernacle was put in the tomb of Joseph. And that is where Jesus was resurrected from three days and three nights later, the soul of him was not left in Hades Acts 2:31 and his flesh did not see corruption, though it was subject to corruption. See Acts 13:34

This is referring to his physical body only. When someone dies, their soul leaves their body, and either goes up or down. It doesn't remain in the grave with their physical body.

Paul speaks of not wanting to be found naked in the event the earthly house of tabernacle of him, (the soul Paul) dissolves of which I am fairly sure his has. Found when? What was the blessed hope of Paul? The coming of the Lord. Jesus said, In my Fathers house are many dwelling places, I go to prepare a place for you. That was done by him dying and being raised from the dead incorruptible. That house is reserved for you (the soul, Willis) in heaven but you do not die and go get it. Jesus will bring it when he comes.

 

[OldRegular]

Spoken like a true disciple of Clarence Larkin et al. You quote Paul as being on your side, but it was his quotes of those OT prophets that decisively put the nail in the coffin of your assumed blurred visions of the prophets.

Time an again Paul takes those supposed Millennial or "future" prophecies and shows them to be unfolding in his time, or happening in a very short time.

I believe Peter threw in a couple also!

 

[Iconoclast]

Yeshua1

Guess the Joker Killer slipped under the rule of jesus , Eh?

Why do you say that??
110 The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
2 The Lord shall send the rod of thy strength out of Zion: rule thou in the midst of thine enemies

reading the OT prophets in their totality regarding the coming messianic Age...

No way this present earth is where the Kingdom is over whole earth, all nations come to bow to God and His King, that justice is acroos the earth

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What did Jesus mean here???
20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
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[Yeshua1]

Yeshua1


Why do you say that??
110 The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
2 The Lord shall send the rod of thy strength out of Zion: rule thou in the midst of thine enemies


...

What did Jesus mean here???
20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
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The Kingdom was present in the person of the king ruling over it, and when he ascended, the Church that came at pentacost was PART of it, NOT all of it , as the full manifastation of the Kingdom shall come back with him!

And the Bible states that he will rule with Rod of Iron, ALL trangressions put down...

NOT happening right now, as the Devil still running the world system currently in place, to get evicted out when rightful ruler comes back!

 

[AresMan]

The Kingdom was present in the person of the king ruling over it, and when he ascended, the Church that came at pentacost was PART of it, NOT all of it , as the full manifastation of the Kingdom shall come back with him!

And the Bible states that he will rule with Rod of Iron, ALL trangressions put down...

NOT happening right now, as the Devil still running the world system currently in place, to get evicted out when rightful ruler comes back!

Dan 2:44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.In the days of these kings!

The fourth kingdom was the Roman Empire. In the days of these kings God will set up a kingdom that will never be moved. Dispensationalists insist that the kingdom, in fact WAS moved in the days of these kings.

God set up the kingdom with Jesus' advent just as He prophesied He would. He said that if He cast out devils (which He did), then the kingdom "has come upon you."

Col 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

Yes, the kingdom is not in the fully realized state (which will be when Christ comes to judge the quick and the dead), but it IS here in the sense of the fulfillment of prophecy. Christ is "set on the right hand of the throne of God" and is reigning "until I make thine enemies thy footstool." The kingdom that began with Christ's first advent is now "break[ing] in pieces, and consum[ing] all these kingdoms, and [] stand[ing] forever" because "this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all nations, beginning at Jerusalem..." The gospel, through the Apostles, expanded to "all the world" (Col 1:4-6). The covenant geopolitical nation of Israel is no more. Christ set up the kingdom that has broken all the kingdoms of this world into pieces by virtue of the unquenchable gospel being spread to all nations. The finality of the kingdom, when Christ "shall have delivered up the kingdom to God the Father." Christ will have finished His work of gathering saints into the kingdom of heaven, execute judgment, and usher in the new heavens and new earth.

 

[Yeshua1]

Dan 2:44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.In the days of these kings!

The fourth kingdom was the Roman Empire. In the days of these kings God will set up a kingdom that will never be moved. Dispensationalists insist that the kingdom, in fact WAS moved in the days of these kings.

God set up the kingdom with Jesus' advent just as He prophesied He would. He said that if He cast out devils (which He did), then the kingdom "has come upon you."

Col 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

Yes, the kingdom is not in the fully realized state (which will be when Christ comes to judge the quick and the dead), but it IS here in the sense of the fulfillment of prophecy. Christ is "set on the right hand of the throne of God" and is reigning "until I make thine enemies thy footstool." The kingdom that began with Christ's first advent is now "break[ing] in pieces, and consum[ing] all these kingdoms, and [] stand[ing] forever" because "this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all nations, beginning at Jerusalem..." The gospel, through the Apostles, expanded to "all the world" (Col 1:4-6). The covenant geopolitical nation of Israel is no more. Christ set up the kingdom that has broken all the kingdoms of this world into pieces by virtue of the unquenchable gospel being spread to all nations. The finality of the kingdom, when Christ "shall have delivered up the kingdom to God the Father." Christ will have finished His work of gathering saints into the kingdom of heaven, execute judgment, and usher in the new heavens and new earth.

he will execute the fulln ess of the Kingdom by his second coming! Than all of thesyatems of this earth shall belong to God and his Chrsit, as the Devil will be bound in a real fashion, not able to try/tempt the antions of the earth!

How do you see the last battle, when satan is lossed to bring all nations up to fight against the lord... has that happened, or how do you view that?

Are you a post Mil holder?

 

[OldRegular]

he will execute the fulln ess of the Kingdom by his second coming! Than all of thesyatems of this earth shall belong to God and his Chrsit, as the Devil will be bound in a real fashion, not able to try/tempt the antions of the earth!

Scripture tells us that when Jesus Christ returns Satan and his will be cast into the Lake of Fire: And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. [Revelation 20:10]

How do you see the last battle, when satan is lossed to bring all nations up to fight against the lord... has that happened, or how do you view that?

Scripture tells us that: fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. [Revelation 20:9]

 

[Yeshua1]

Scripture tells us that when Jesus Christ returns Satan and his will be cast into the Lake of Fire: And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. [Revelation 20:10]


Scripture tells us that: fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. [Revelation 20:9]

has not happened yet, when do you see it happening?

 

[OldRegular]

has not happened yet, when do you see it happening?

Jesus Christ hasn't returned yet. When He does: fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. [Revelation 20:9] That is Satan and his Y1!

 

[convicted1]

Jesus Christ hasn't returned yet. When He does: fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. [Revelation 20:9] That is Satan and his Y1!

:thumbs::thumbs::thumbs::thumbs:

 

[OldRegular]

Dan 2:44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.In the days of these kings!

The fourth kingdom was the Roman Empire. In the days of these kings God will set up a kingdom that will never be moved. Dispensationalists insist that the kingdom, in fact WAS moved in the days of these kings.

God set up the kingdom with Jesus' advent just as He prophesied He would. He said that if He cast out devils (which He did), then the kingdom "has come upon you."

Col 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

Yes, the kingdom is not in the fully realized state (which will be when Christ comes to judge the quick and the dead), but it IS here in the sense of the fulfillment of prophecy. Christ is "set on the right hand of the throne of God" and is reigning "until I make thine enemies thy footstool." The kingdom that began with Christ's first advent is now "break[ing] in pieces, and consum[ing] all these kingdoms, and [] stand[ing] forever" because "this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all nations, beginning at Jerusalem..." The gospel, through the Apostles, expanded to "all the world" (Col 1:4-6). The covenant geopolitical nation of Israel is no more. Christ set up the kingdom that has broken all the kingdoms of this world into pieces by virtue of the unquenchable gospel being spread to all nations. The finality of the kingdom, when Christ "shall have delivered up the kingdom to God the Father." Christ will have finished His work of gathering saints into the kingdom of heaven, execute judgment, and usher in the new heavens and new earth.

It is strange to me that people blind themselves to the very clear teaching in Daniel regarding the Kingdom of God [Daniel 2:44]. Yet they will go to the difficult passage regarding the 70th week [Daniel 9:27] and base their pre-trib rapture doctrine on it. Beyond strange!

 

[Yeshua1]

It is strange to me that people blind themselves to the very clear teaching in Daniel regarding the Kingdom of God [Daniel 2:44]. Yet they will go to the difficult passage regarding the 70th week [Daniel 9:27] and base their pre-trib rapture doctrine on it. Beyond strange!

Again, the bias against Dispy view colrs how one sees that prophesy!

the purpose of that "missing days" are alotted to Gods dealing to come with ethnic isreal, for has God cast away his chosen people, ones who he made everlasting promises too? God forbid!

And jesus was promised by his father thrones and domenions, and his Kingdom will be over ALl the earth, God will would be done on earth in fullness, just as in heaven..

HAs THAT happened yet?

We just believe in whatpaul stated, that God has NOT cast away forever his peoples of the promise made to isreal!