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The REAL Jack Hyles
- Thread starter Charles Meadows
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AVL1984
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Gib, as my friend Buffa would say on another board....GET OUT!!!
I can only give Hyles a little credit...he did get our church interested int he bus ministry along with Jim Vineyard. Though I approve of neither man or their ministries, God did use them to have our church start one. Had it not been for that ministry of the church, my parents would never have been saved, and neither would my siblings or I. I also know several people whom he personally paid for to go through Christian school and Bible college. It still doesn't make the things he did right. It almost at times seemed like he was trying to buy favor with God to me, or had done it to build his own reputation. I can't judge his motives, though on either subject, because I didn't know his heart. I can judge some of his motives by the fruit they yielded.
I can only give Hyles a little credit...he did get our church interested int he bus ministry along with Jim Vineyard. Though I approve of neither man or their ministries, God did use them to have our church start one. Had it not been for that ministry of the church, my parents would never have been saved, and neither would my siblings or I. I also know several people whom he personally paid for to go through Christian school and Bible college. It still doesn't make the things he did right. It almost at times seemed like he was trying to buy favor with God to me, or had done it to build his own reputation. I can't judge his motives, though on either subject, because I didn't know his heart. I can judge some of his motives by the fruit they yielded.
As a starry-eyed, innocent and naive Christian I sat under the ministry of many men who I blindly followed, imitated, and worshipped. It took me many years to learn that none of those men was worthy of my adulation. Some of them were revealed in time to be hypocrites. Other more honorable amongst my 'heroes' passed on to Eternity. The ones left now are mostly in their reclining years.
I have finally learned that there is only One worthy of my unfettetered adoration, imitation and exhultation, that is my Savior and Lord, Jesus Christ. All other ground is sinking sand.
May our young fundamentalists learn this lesson much more quickly than us first- or second- generation fundamentalists of the 50's, 60's and 70's did. IMHO many young Christians of that era were disillusioned and fell away from the faith when they found out their heroes had feet of clay. And may I say, ALL of our heroes have feet of clay.
I have finally learned that there is only One worthy of my unfettetered adoration, imitation and exhultation, that is my Savior and Lord, Jesus Christ. All other ground is sinking sand.
May our young fundamentalists learn this lesson much more quickly than us first- or second- generation fundamentalists of the 50's, 60's and 70's did. IMHO many young Christians of that era were disillusioned and fell away from the faith when they found out their heroes had feet of clay. And may I say, ALL of our heroes have feet of clay.
Gregory Perry Sr.
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AMEN MexDeaf....and Double AMEN Soulman!!!!!
Greg Sr.
Greg Sr.
Fundamentalist1611
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Paul....look at the # of posts by soulman, that in a years time...assuming 3 minutes per post...that's 1935 minutes (32 hours and 25 minutes)which comes down to less than 9 minutes a day. So in other words...you have an irrelevant point.
Dr. Bob Another category shot down with excellence.
It seems that all you do is attack Jack Hyles (someone who's dead and unable to defend himself from your mean spirited attacks). I don't agree with the man on all things, however, I don't gossip and cause shame to the cause of christ...there's a fine line between marking someone and flat out...gossip. You also have a vicious mean spirited attack on the King James Bible. Why so much hostility towards soul winning? It's so much easier to just sit down and not give the gospel out and not follow the example set forth by the Apostle Paul. After all, look at what he suffered for the Cause of Christ...there's a price to pay to serve Christ and if you're not willing to obey the great commission (a command of God...not suggestion) than one has no business in the ministry for they are not profitable. All those lazy preachers that probably never put in an honest days work that just simply think, "well if they're elected...they'll just automatically get to Heaven...I really shouldn't be concerned in the matter" Utter nonsense.
Dr. Bob Another category shot down with excellence.
It seems that all you do is attack Jack Hyles (someone who's dead and unable to defend himself from your mean spirited attacks). I don't agree with the man on all things, however, I don't gossip and cause shame to the cause of christ...there's a fine line between marking someone and flat out...gossip. You also have a vicious mean spirited attack on the King James Bible. Why so much hostility towards soul winning? It's so much easier to just sit down and not give the gospel out and not follow the example set forth by the Apostle Paul. After all, look at what he suffered for the Cause of Christ...there's a price to pay to serve Christ and if you're not willing to obey the great commission (a command of God...not suggestion) than one has no business in the ministry for they are not profitable. All those lazy preachers that probably never put in an honest days work that just simply think, "well if they're elected...they'll just automatically get to Heaven...I really shouldn't be concerned in the matter" Utter nonsense.
Charles Meadows
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1611,
The question initially was whether or not Hyles was as misguided as he has been made out to be. I started this thread because I did not ever know Hyles himself, or even anybody really close to him - so I hated to go on assumptions based on the opinions of others.
If the criticisms of Hyles are true (adulterous relationships, believing that one cannot be saved reading a modern version, tyranical behavior, etc) then he was no man of God, no matter how much time he spent on the streets. That being said perhaps he was someone who truly DID have a heart for the lost and has been overly maligned.
I started the thread because I wanted some better information than what I had.
The question initially was whether or not Hyles was as misguided as he has been made out to be. I started this thread because I did not ever know Hyles himself, or even anybody really close to him - so I hated to go on assumptions based on the opinions of others.
If the criticisms of Hyles are true (adulterous relationships, believing that one cannot be saved reading a modern version, tyranical behavior, etc) then he was no man of God, no matter how much time he spent on the streets. That being said perhaps he was someone who truly DID have a heart for the lost and has been overly maligned.
I started the thread because I wanted some better information than what I had.
Another "defender" of all things hyles? And (from the name, a "defender" of the Anglican Version, too) chimes in.
All I do is make "mean spirited attacks on Jack Hyles".
Don't have to. Just post the facts of his life, his ministry, his family and let them condemn the man. Tragic to be such a great used-car salesman and not use it.
And as I've said before, WHEN you see an attack on the KJV or any other translation, please "blow the the whistle" (bottom of each post) and it will report the post to a moderator.
Attacking the kjvonly sect? That is my duty to contend for the faith against perversion of inspiration and error. And it will not change. This movement must be demonstrated to have NO SCRIPTURAL SUPPORT (not even one verse in the KJV) and rejected by defenders of truth.
All I do is make "mean spirited attacks on Jack Hyles".
Don't have to. Just post the facts of his life, his ministry, his family and let them condemn the man. Tragic to be such a great used-car salesman and not use it.
And as I've said before, WHEN you see an attack on the KJV or any other translation, please "blow the the whistle" (bottom of each post) and it will report the post to a moderator.
Attacking the kjvonly sect? That is my duty to contend for the faith against perversion of inspiration and error. And it will not change. This movement must be demonstrated to have NO SCRIPTURAL SUPPORT (not even one verse in the KJV) and rejected by defenders of truth.
4His_glory
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Since when is pointing out what is public fact about Jack Hyles an "attack" or "gossip"?
The guy has done just as much harm to the cause of Christ as Billy Graham.
The guy has done just as much harm to the cause of Christ as Billy Graham.
Fundamentalist1611
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I am not a hyles defendor...it's just sick how much bashing goes on this board, just like billy graham, the man has faults but whether you like it or not....people have been won to Christ through his ministry. I didn't say anything about attacking KJV-only, if you read carefully, it had to to with the just the Authorized Version Bible. The idea that you have to be saved through the reading of a King James Bible is plain heresy. Ruckmanism is a false man made doctrine. I have no time for people who go pentecostal when a preacher makes a statment about the King James Bible but show no emotion when the preacher states the forgiveness of sin through the blood atonement of Christ. That to me is a sad testimony. Hyles did make that statment in one of his books about salvation only through the KJV....he's wrong...and many of his followers do practice easy believism and they're wrong....and many of his followers only "run" with each other and don't even see other Baptists as "fundamentalists" and they're wrong...but it's certainly not everyone from that crowd that resembles that. HAC does lack in some areas I believe, and there is far too much Hyles worship but the matter has been discussed over and over and over again on all these different threads.
Why were my other points ignored...go back and make reference. (calvinism, and the defense of you attacking a poster on the board with the # of posts nonsense)
With all preachers and Doctrines....study the Word of God...the truth will always set you free. I have disagreements with my Pastor on issues (not major of course), i'm not a cloned cookie cut baptist like so many are...study the issues on your own...that's some advice I must give to those trying to discern truth. Rightly divide the Word of Truth.
Why were my other points ignored...go back and make reference. (calvinism, and the defense of you attacking a poster on the board with the # of posts nonsense)
With all preachers and Doctrines....study the Word of God...the truth will always set you free. I have disagreements with my Pastor on issues (not major of course), i'm not a cloned cookie cut baptist like so many are...study the issues on your own...that's some advice I must give to those trying to discern truth. Rightly divide the Word of Truth.
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RightFromWrong
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I'm not a big Billy Graham fan, I have personally talked to people who are not saved you can sooooo tell. Who said they went forward in a Billy Graham concert. Billy Graham teaches a feel good gospel, easy believism. Without a true understanding of ones sin and accountability to God and a true repentant heart. How can you get saved ? Billy Graham also supports many preachers who are not Born Again.
He is a BARNEY ( remember that purple dinosaur ? ) preacher, preaching " I LOVE YOU, YOU LOVE ME, WERE A HAPPY FAMILY " I have to admit he has a heart of GOLD and means well.
Jack Hyles on the other hand like so many preachers I have seen. Have an INFLATED EGO that ruins their ministry even though they may have started out right. They also have a numbers mentality that leads to false repentance and confessions. So many who " Get Saved " under this ministry real are not saved. I know I've also talked to these kind of people.
So to me BOTH are wrong, even though God can still use them. I just think Sooooo many get hurt and deceived in the process
He is a BARNEY ( remember that purple dinosaur ? ) preacher, preaching " I LOVE YOU, YOU LOVE ME, WERE A HAPPY FAMILY " I have to admit he has a heart of GOLD and means well.
Jack Hyles on the other hand like so many preachers I have seen. Have an INFLATED EGO that ruins their ministry even though they may have started out right. They also have a numbers mentality that leads to false repentance and confessions. So many who " Get Saved " under this ministry real are not saved. I know I've also talked to these kind of people.
So to me BOTH are wrong, even though God can still use them. I just think Sooooo many get hurt and deceived in the process
AVL1984
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The problem is, some of us won't put up with the continued legacy of hypocrisy brought on by Hyles. We won't put up with the perpetuation of the 1-2-3, pray after me mentality that is still being pushed by HAC/FBCH. We also don't like the continuation of the coverup that Hyles didn't defend child molestors, cover-up for staff who were adulterous, himself included, and his pushing his "son of perdition" off on another church ruining yet more homes! If some of you don't like it, that's too bad. Some of us WILL tell the truth about it, especially those of us who know those who were injured by Hyles. He may be dead and gone, but, his 100%er's are alive and well. His voice hasn't been silenced even in his death.
Which is the reason for us all to keep in mind that our ministry will out live us. It also reminds me of the comment of an older saint, whose name I will not mention, who said