Why say that it is just “pretty accusatory” and “it seems?” Is your Jesus a wishy-washy Jesus or a bold Jesus?
Jesus is bold; he is also omniscient. I am not. Therefore I say things like "it seems" to acknowledge humbly that I do not know everything, and I might be mistaken on things.
Submission to God comes first. A woman cannot love her husband by letting him be a coward and beat his wife and children, while maiming them for life. In fact the law holds her just as responsible for supporting such things.
That was never the issue I was addressing. Please do not confuse things.
Her submission was to her husband as a door mat and not to God first. She was blessing his sin by not taking action. She allowed her husband into her home (possible diseases and all) to act as he wanted and be disobedient to God without ever talking with the elders in her church and calling them to take action.
I don't know any of that, and I am not sure that you do either. That's why I think it is wise to refrain from offering marital advice when you know only one side of the story, and a very limited side at that.
I am not encouraging disobedience to God but rather love. “Exposing immediately” is going to the elders in the church first.
No, that simply not true. You rarely, if ever, expose sin immediately. You first deal with it privately, in accordance with Scripture.
You need some help in your grammar.
Why is that? There was no grammatical mistake in that that I can see. Perhaps you are the one who needs help since you confuse "grammar" with "lexical data." I might have made a mistake using
slander rather than
libel, but that is a lexical issue, not a grammatical one. So I would refrain from that type of smart aleck statement, particularly when you don't even get it right.
I never libeled any particular churches.
I didn't say you did. Go back and read, and be more careful please.
You sound just like the RCC and its pedophilia cover up over the years.
No I don't. That is shameful for you to say. I am quite sure that I take at least as strong a stand as you do if not more strong. And I can prove it.
I would assume by your comments that you have never been trained to any counseling.
I probably have more training in counseling than you do. But that's not the issue.
You also read what the lady wrote too.
I am not sure what you are referring to. If you read what I wrote, then you know that I said I didn't read it all. You are making some very simple mistakes here because you are not reading closely and thinking closely.
Where was the church when she needed them most? Were their heads stuck in the sand too?
I don't know. I don't know what church she is talking about and I have not talked to anyone there. As I said, there is always another side to the story, and I would suggest getting that side before making dogmatic statements.
Ot is a good thing we do not have passive police protection like you would suggest.
Again, quite shameful. I never said anything about police protection, much less passive police protection.
I grew up in a home that was like hell on earth.
there is nothing like "hell on earth." Read your Bible for what hell is like before you make such statements.
My family went to church every Sunday and heard the typical prayer, submission nonsense.
I can't comment on your situation since I don't know it.
His words also support what I wrote earlier that you disagreed with.
Not sure what you are talking about.
So don't give me the pious garbage you suggest.
I didn't suggest any pious garbage.
The problem is that there are too many wimps as pastors who are afraid to take a strong stance against cowardly men beating their wives and out cheating on them.
I agree. And there are too many who are recommending unbiblical responses.
If you are a pastor then it is your responsibility to lead not just in the easy times and preach a feminine Jesus but to also take a strong stance to support those who cannot stand up for themselves.
I agree.
In your judgment can you show me how you were able to judge me in such a way?
A child who strikes his parent is not showing respect. Period.
Perhaps you forgot to read Proverbs 15:28 before exposing your lack of wisdom and understanding.
I didn't expose any lack of wisdom. I have given a very carefully measured response that acknowledged I do not know everything and am therefore unqualified to speak to it. You should do the same.
Show me one verse in the Bible where you can support what you wrote taking into account what I wrote in the following paragraph.
"Honor your father and mother." There are no qualifications to it. Obedience is not always necessarily required, but honor and respect are.
What kind of a hypocrite are you when you suggest that one show respect for a man that beats his wife and children?
I am not any kind of hypocrite. I am saying what the Bible says.
You advice shows how little ministry you have done among those people.
You have no idea what my ministry has been. You, again, are talking without knowledge.
When was the last time you saw a police officer tolerate a man who beat his wife and children?
Never. When did I ever suggest tolerating a man who beat his wife and children?
When was the last time you stood in front of a cowardly man who beat his wife and kids to bless him?
Never.
When was the last time you confronted the coward who beat his wife and children.
Today. I have been dealing with situations of abuse of different types for some time. For you to suggest I don't know what I am talking about is incorrect.
How hypocritical and arrogant of you to think that I should have just stood there and let his anger explode and attack me and beat me up.
You seriously need to learn to read. I never suggested any such thing.
Then you have the arrogance to suggest that I stand there and let him pound on us.
I said no such thing.
Get out in the real world and do some ministry among those who live in such conditions then you will understand, instead of judge.
Again, you talk out of ignorance, you have no idea what my ministry is.
He also put things in my hand and told me to take them out of the store. I suppose your feminine theology would support that too?
No, I have clearly stated that biblical submission never requires disobedience to God. If you had read without your anger you would have seen that. And I don't know what "feminine theology" I have. That doesn't even make sense.
A few years ago I saw the aftermath of a man who beat his wife so bad that she was hardly recognizable. And you suggest that he be respected and pampered?
No.
What kind of an idiot are you to suggest such a violation of the law and love of his wife?
Idiot? Very nice ... Where did I suggest any such thing?
When was the last time you examined the passage where Jesus turned over the tax gatherers tables?
A couple of nights ago when I read the story with my two year old son before bed.
When was the last time you stood for righteousness in your church and community rather than just preach a feminine Jesus?
I have never preached a feminine Jesus. I stand for righteousness everyday, just as I did today.
When you do then maybe you will put some skin on your faith and boldness in your heart to stand against unrighteousness.
How do I know I don't?
Honestly, GB, this post seems filled with anger and hatred from you. It is filled with lies about what I said and what I believe. It contain false accusations of potentially illegal and certainly unethical behavior on my part. And that is unacceptable and inexcusable.
I think you should request that a moderator remove your post due to your poor response and then remove mine as well. What you have said here is inexcusable. You know better. You claim to be a great disciple maker, but this post reveals a man who seems to have no control over his own spirit. I am embarrassed that this was actually posted publicly here.
You did not read my words very carefully, and you most certainly did not respond to my position. It is unfortunate that you did so. Please do not do it again.