The Sabbath was not Changed

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

in the Messianic Feasts he demonstrates that the Sabbath is much broader in application to any limited day "of the week" as He applies to various days of the week and various longer periods of time (Lev. 25/Gen. 2:4). However, you and GE are attempting to limit in APPLICATION what God does not limit in application simply because you fail to see that the PRINCIPLE of the Sabbath Law is broader than you choose to interpret it. It is sufficiently BROAD to justify God's various applications and your intepretation does not allow for that and therefore condemns God's own applications of the Sabbath law.

No; not our - Bob's or my - or your 'application' or 'interpretation' matters. It's the Bible that limits God's 'application' of the ONLY 'Sabbath-Law' in it to the one only "day"-of the week, "the day The Seventh Day Sabbath OF THE LORD GOD" that matters.

Also, IT IS UNTRUE AND INCORRECT AND FALSE THAT God <<applies ... the Sabbath>> or, <<the PRINCIPLE of the Sabbath Law>> which "God THUS CONCERNING THE SEVENTH DAY spake", <<to various days of the week>>! RUBBISH you suck from your thumb! Stop doing it!

Only the 'rest-day' of the passover's first day of unleavened bread feast and the first and last days of the feast of booths are per translation called "rest-day" ---in the Hebrew, "sabbath" merely; NOT "the day The Seventh Day Sabbath-OF-THE-LORD-GOD" or "MY Sabbath /s" or "My Holy Day"!

All other “rests” were “years-of-rest”, not ‘days-of-rest’.

… which exhausts all <<various longer periods of time>> limited with the description of ‘shabbath’, “rest” or “rests”. Don’t pretend the <periods> are so many <various> they could be any number. It is not so!

 

[The Biblicist]

No; not our - Bob's or my - or your 'application' or 'interpretation' matters. It's the Bible that limits God's 'application' of the ONLY 'Sabbath-Law' in it to the one only "day"-of the week, "the day The Seventh Day Sabbath OF THE LORD GOD" that matters.

Also, IT IS UNTRUE AND INCORRECT AND FALSE THAT God <<applies ... the Sabbath>> or, <<the PRINCIPLE of the Sabbath Law>> which "God THUS CONCERNING THE SEVENTH DAY spake", <<to various days of the week>>! RUBBISH you suck from your thumb! Stop doing it!

Only the 'rest-day' of the passover's first day of unleavened bread feast and the first and last days of the feast of booths are per translation called "rest-day" ---in the Hebrew, "sabbath" merely; NOT "the day The Seventh Day Sabbath-OF-THE-LORD-GOD" or "MY Sabbath /s" or "My Holy Day"!

All other “rests” were “years-of-rest”, not ‘days-of-rest’.

… which exhausts all <<various longer periods of time>> limited with the description of ‘shabbath’, “rest” or “rests”. Don’t pretend the <periods> are so many <various> they could be any number. It is not so!

Notice I present hard evidence while you and bob present emotions and accusations!

 

[BobRyan]

Originally Posted by BobRyan
I believe that Christ was raised from the dead on the first day of the week - Sunday. (Even GE who differs with me on this point will admit that Sunday is the first day of the week).

Interesting how when someone says "I attend church on the first day of the week - the day that Jesus rose from the dead" - no one responds with "yes but we don't know what day of the week is the first day of the week - so are you going to church on Tuesday? Wednesday? What?"

I keep the original 7th day as God gave it - Saturday.

In Ex 16 God said "tomorrow is the Sabbath".

My question about what day you WENT to church on was actually a trick question

" See, for that the Lord hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day." Exodus 16:29

As Jews, my family never left the house during Shabbat.

As Jews even before the cross - all families left the house and went to synagogues and the temple.

As a Jew Christ went out on Sabbath before the cross.

In Matt 5 Christ condemns the idea that his model was to break the law of God.

In Gal 4 Paul condemns the idea that Christ was not born "under the law" and living in perfect compliance with the law of God.

It is an interest game you have there - but I don't see that it conforms to the requirements of scripture.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

Originally Posted by BobRyan
The Baptist Confession of Faith - section 19 points to the Gen 2:3 command - given to Adam and Eve - before the fall - as the 4th Commandment - within the TEN Commandments.

Did God simply get that wrong in His Gen 2:3 statement?

Originally Posted by The Biblicist
No, He provided a PRINCIPLE with APPLICATION - period However, the PRINCIPLE is sufficient broad for DIFFERENT APPLICATIONS and the proof is Leviticus 23,25; Psa. 118:24 and Rev. 1:10.



Sadly for your wild assumptions there is no such thing as "keep any one day as a holy day of worship " Called "The Sabbath Law" - so "you make it up" and "quote yourself" to do so.

God did not say in Ex 20 or in Gen 2:3 or in Ex 16 "I am now going to apply the Sabbath Law to the weekly Sabbath of Gen 2 or the Ten Commandments" as you seem to "imagine".

God states His own intent in Ex 20:8-11 without any reference to some other "Sabbath Law" as if he is creating an instance of some other law.

The only way this is a legitimate instance of something else - is that it is an instance of "God's Sovereign choice" and "God making Law".

Thus each Sabbath - whether it is the one that applies to all mankind in Gen 2:3 and Ex 20:8-11 or the annual Sabbaths for Israel in Lev 23 - all are instances of God's Sovereign choice, His commands.

NEVER is it said that Passover or anything else is an instance of Gen 2:3 weekly Sabbath.

(Hint - never debate a bogus idea about instances of base class objects with one who creates instances of actual base class objects for a living)

Again, nothing in Genesis 2:3 says anything about any day "of the week." Genesis 2:3 is a faithful record of what God did in six days and then rested on the seventh day.

By contrast to you wild assertion absent all fact in the text - the Gen 2:3 text DOES specify the SEVENTH day.

Odd how you expect us "not to notice" when the text itself refutes your claim.

Even the "Baptist Confession of Faith" 1689 points us to the Gen 2:3 text as the first example of the 4th commandment - seventh day of the week being kept as Sabbath.

Surely you knew we would "notice" that your own denomination's documents refute your wild claims to the contrary.

Wrong again! We live in the Post-cross era and God has clearly designated the resurrection day on the first day "of the week" (Psa. 118:20-24/Acts 4:10-11) and commanded it to be observed ("made" translates same hebrew word used in the 4th commanded as "observe").

Once again not ONE single text in your list says to "observe" the first day of the week as the new 7th day Sabbath of the 4th commandment.

Once again - not ONE single text in your list says "week day 1 is the Lord's Day".

once again - not ONE single text in your list says of week-day-1 that God "commanded it to be observed".

So once again - you "make it up" quoting only "you" for the statement that "God commanded it to be observed".

Were we simply "not supposed to notice"?

This is the day the Lord hath made to be observed

Try reading the 4th commandment and finding out that it is not the first day of the week that is made to be observed by God - but rather the 7th day.

and we find it faithfully observed in the New Testament record (Acts 20:7; 1 Cor. 16:1-2) as "the Lord's Day" (Rev. 1:10)

1. Not ONE single text in your list says "week day 1 is the Lord's Day".

2. Not ONE single text in your list shows a "weekly observance of week day 1".

3. Not ONE single text in your list shows a gathering to celebrate the Lord's resurrection on Week-day-1.

Were we simply "not supposed to notice"??

Why do you keep appealing to the void of what the text does NOT say to make your case?

and consistently as the "Lord's Day" right up to Constantine.

But not one reference to it among Bible writers.

How sad for your wild speculation.

it is the better Sabbath day observance now for the people of God (Heb. 4:9) due to the better and greater work of redemption by Christ (Heb. 4:10,14) that still points to a yet future fulfillment (Heb. 4:11)

There is NO reference in Heb 4 to week-day-1.

There is NO statement in Heb 4 that week day 1 is a "better Sabbath day observance" - so once again instead of quoting the text - you quote "you".

And once again we are "not supposed to notice"???

I never said He did as you imagine I did. The fourth commandment presents the principle based upon what God did in Genesis 2:3-4

Ex 20 presents the actual commandment and the actual day to be kept - the 7th day - as the Sabbath each week.

And Ex 16 tells us that it was not just any ol-day but "tomorrow is the Sabbath".

and God applies that principle to various days of the week and you cannot possibly deny that as it is spelled out in Leviticus 23.

God does NOT say in Lev 23 that ANY of the Annual Sabbaths are another weekly Sabbath or that they replace it.

What is worse for your wild speculation is that God never allows man to simply wipe out his Seventh day Sabbath and replace it with the tradition of "week day 1".

However, you and GE are attempting to limit in APPLICATION what God does not limit in application

wrong.

We are pointing out that God is the one that soveriegnly designates the specific day - whether it be weekly or annual - as the sanctified and blessed Sabbath.

We are pointing out that man-made-tradition has no authority to invent one or swap one out for one of your own choosing.

We are pointing out that there is no such thing as a 13 day cycle with Sabbath as the 7th day preceded by 6 working days and then succeeded by six more working days.

No such cycle in all of scripture.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[The Biblicist]

By contrast to you wild assertion absent all fact in the text - the Gen 2:3 text DOES specify the SEVENTH day.

And with this statement your whole theory comes crashing down! Why? Because you could not say and did not say "the Gen. 2:3 text DOES specify the SEVENTH day "OF THE WEEK." Case closed! YOu prove my point. The PRINCIPLE of the Sabbath is six days and the seventh day is the Sabbath. No calendar placement where this principle begins or ends. The APPLICATION does apply this to the week. However, APPLICATION does apply this to various days of the week as well (Lev. 23). So application is CHANGABLE and Leviticus application of Sabbath law proves this. Hence, first day of the week application is not contrary to the PRINCIPLE of this law any more than FIXED DATED Sabbaths that fall on various days of the week are contrary to the PRINCIPLE of this law. - Case closed.

 

[percho]

And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. Gen. 2:3

God rested from work, on the seventh day. The day following six days of work.
God created this day by not working.

Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim holy convocations, these my feasts.

God gave his feast days and the first was just as in Gen 2:3 the seventh day which followed the six days he worked. From Gen. 1:5 the same seventh day from that time on forever will be the Sabbath of the Lord. On it, "ye shall do no work," because it is, "the sabbath of rest."

The unbroken day of rest from Genesis 1:5 is a feast day a holy convocation, no work to be done.

God then gives seven more days throughout God's year that are days no servile work to be done, feast days, holy convocations.

It also appears that the day of atonement is a little different from the others in that on it as on the seventh day follow the six days no work is to be done. The word servile is left out. I do not know the difference, but this day is also called a sabbath.

These days can fall on any of the so called, days of the week, or that is from sabbath, the seventh day to sabbath, the seventh day.

JMHO

 

[BobRyan]

That is true - the annual Sabbaths can fall on any day of the week and some of them include more than one day - but that is "annually" not weekly.

The weekly Sabbath in the Bible is always the seventh say of the week. Friday evening to Saturday evening.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

Originally Posted by BobRyan
By contrast to you wild assertion absent all fact in the text - the Gen 2:3 text DOES specify the SEVENTH day.

And with this statement your whole theory comes crashing down! Why? Because you could not say and did not say "the Gen. 2:3 text DOES specify the SEVENTH day "OF THE WEEK." Case closed! YOu prove my point.

Your own "Baptist Confession of Faith" says "OF The WEEK" for the 7th day Sabbath created in Gen 2:3.

It is then your case that comes crashing down - and that by your own Baptist Confession of Faith -- not be me!

Plus almost everyone here on this board knows that the "Seventh day" is of the week - not of the year or month.

It is the weekly cycle seventh day. Obviously.

And God emphasizes that in Ex 16 - where once again He "removes all doubt".

This is soooo blatantly obvious that even you admit that when you see these texts in Exodus spelling out what God means by "Seventh day" that it is in fact Saturday - the 7th day of the actual week!

In regard to a consistent weekly application I believe Bob is right at least from the giving of the ten commandments to the Jews to the resurrection of Christ.

Here again your argument fails beyond all doubt.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Originally Posted by BobRyan
I believe that Christ was raised from the dead on the first day of the week - Sunday. (Even GE who differs with me on this point will admit that Sunday is the first day of the week).
I believe that Christ was raised from the dead on the first day of the week - Sunday. (Even GE who differs with me on this point will admit that Sunday is the first day of the week).

Interesting how when someone says "I attend church on the first day of the week - the day that Jesus rose from the dead" - no one responds with "yes but we don't know what day of the week is the first day of the week - so are you going to church on Tuesday? Wednesday? What?"

I keep the original 7th day as God gave it - Saturday.

In Ex 16 God said "tomorrow is the Sabbath".

In Afrikaans we say, 'healthy brain' - 'gesonde verstand'!

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

The Biblicist View Post
Again, nothing in Genesis 2:3 says anything about any day "of the week." Genesis 2:3 is a faithful record of what God did in six days and then rested on the seventh day.
By contrast to you wild assertion absent all fact in the text - the Gen 2:3 text DOES specify the SEVENTH day.

Yes! And it continues to identify which day that first "Seventh Day" - in the Hebrew "the day The Seventh Day" - was: God blessed and sanctified it "BECAUSE IN IT GOD RESTED".

Did God rest on the First Day? ... "on the Seventh Day" ... but ...<<in principle on the First Day of the new series of Sabbath(s)>>?


Hahahahaha

Readers, please note WHY responses CAN be but DENIALS and RIDICULE!

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Quote:
Originally Posted by BobRyan View Post
By contrast to you wild assertion absent all fact in the text - the Gen 2:3 text DOES specify the SEVENTH day.

And with this statement your whole theory comes crashing down! Why? Because you could not say and did not say "the Gen. 2:3 text DOES specify the SEVENTH day "OF THE WEEK." Case closed! YOu prove my point. The PRINCIPLE of the Sabbath is six days and the seventh day is the Sabbath. No calendar placement where this principle begins or ends. The APPLICATION does apply this to the week. However, APPLICATION does apply this to various days of the week as well (Lev. 23). So application is CHANGABLE and Leviticus application of Sabbath law proves this. Hence, first day of the week application is not contrary to the PRINCIPLE of this law any more than FIXED DATED Sabbaths that fall on various days of the week are contrary to the PRINCIPLE of this law. - Case closed.

The first "Seventh Day" was God's Day BEFORE God, commanded it to be a "Rest Day - Sabbath" for Israel.

Therefore, When Genesis 2 names "the day The Seventh Day" it's very creation ---by God, makes "the day The Seventh Day" the LAST day of God's, creating ACT and the DENOMINATOR of and for all SUBSEQUENT repetitions of THAT CREATION-incidence of seven consecutive days that FIRST, FORMED the "WEEK-of-seven-days" ---precisely how the LXX translated the Hebrew.

That is why the NEW Testament CHRISTIAN Greek literature made a new beginning and began to AGAIN use the ORIGINAL Hebrew name of "the day The Seventh Day", namely, the "Sabbath", to identify the seven days "OF THE WEEK".

So in the New Testament the exact, specific TRANSLATION into English of the word 'sabbath' IN CERTAIN CONTEXT, is: "(day of) the WEEK", and IN ANOTHER CONTEXT, "the SABBATH Day of the week"—after all the thousands of years STILL, "the day The Seventh Day Sabbath"!

That is what one might call the New Testament's <principle> and <application> of the word "sabbath" per se as well as of the <law of the Sabbath>.

No big deal!

Keep the Law out of the issue because in the New Testament there is no issue about it!

You CAN talk nonsense, Biblicist! You must change your pseudonym to something else, because you aren't a Biblicist's shadow!

 

[BobRyan]

In Afrikaans we say, 'healthy brain' - 'gesonde verstand'!

Speaking of Afrikaans - have you read any of Walter Veith's material?

in Christ,

Bob

 

[The Biblicist]

Quote:
Originally Posted by BobRyan View Post
By contrast to you wild assertion absent all fact in the text - the Gen 2:3 text DOES specify the SEVENTH day.

It specifies "the seventh day" in its relationship to the six previous days. God is not giving proper names to each of these seven days but simply providing a numerical ORDER and the seventh day stands at the end of this order.

The PRINCIPLE of the Sabbath can be applied EQUALLY to a seventh MONTH or seventh YEAR or fiftieth YEAR as much as to FIXED DATED sabbaths whose NUMBERS do not fall on DATES consistent with the Seventh day "of the week" Sabbaths as "7th, 14th, 21st, 28th," but on DATES consistent with a first day "of the week" Sabbaths as "1st, 8th, 15th, 22nd" because these are MESSANIC feasts that anticipated the coming of Christ and his finished work on the first day of the week resurrection day.

So I reject your RATIONALIZATIONS that are in direct contradiction with God's own VARIOUS applications of the Sabbath PRINCIPLE. The principle of six working days followed and preceded by the seventh day Sabbath which God CAN and DID arbitrarily apply to FIXED DATED sabbaths, seventh day of the week Sabbath and first day of the week Sabbath.

 

[The Biblicist]

It specifies "the seventh day" in its relationship to the six previous days. God is not giving proper names to each of these seven days but simply providing a numerical ORDER and the seventh day stands at the end of this order.

The PRINCIPLE of the Sabbath can be applied EQUALLY to a seventh MONTH or seventh YEAR or fiftieth YEAR as much as to FIXED DATED sabbaths whose NUMBERS do not fall on DATES consistent with the Seventh day "of the week" Sabbaths as "7th, 14th, 21st, 28th," but on DATES consistent with a first day "of the week" Sabbaths as "1st, 8th, 15th, 22nd" because these are MESSANIC feasts that anticipated the coming of Christ and his finished work on the first day of the week resurrection day.

So I reject your RATIONALIZATIONS that are in direct contradiction with God's own VARIOUS applications of the Sabbath PRINCIPLE. The principle of six working days followed and preceded by the seventh day Sabbath which God CAN and DID arbitrarily apply to FIXED DATED sabbaths, seventh day of the week Sabbath and first day of the week Sabbath.

Leviticus 23:5 In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD’S passover.
6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.
7 In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.
8 But ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD seven days: in the seventh day is an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.

Here again in this Messanic Feast of unleavened bread we have a first day and a seventh day Sabbath together showing the compatibility between the Jewish application and the Christian application from the seventh day of the week to the first day of the week.


15 ¶ And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete:
16 Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the LORD.

The jews had two different methods of reckoning this. The Pharisees reckoned it by fixed dated Sabbaths instead of starting with the next regular Sabbath and thus seven regular Sabbats.

The Sadducees numbered by starting with the first regular weekly Sabbath and thus the 50th day would always be on the first day of the week and thus Pentecost was a Sunday Sabbath.

In the time of Christ it was the Sadducees who were in control and it was their way of numbering the Sabbaths that occurred in the New Testament. So Pentecost was a Sunday Sabbath that the Holy Spirit honored by His coming on the new house of God meeting for worship on that day as they did from the first resurrection Sabbath - Mk. 16:9

24 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, In the seventh month, in the first day of the month, shall ye have a sabbath, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, an holy convocation.

The seventh month was also the first month in their new year and it was begun by a first day Sabbath.

27 Also on the tenth day of this seventh month there shall be a day of atonement: it shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall afflict your souls, and offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD.
28 And ye shall do no work in that same day: for it is a day of atonement, to make an atonement for you before the LORD your God.
29 For whatsoever soul it be that shall not be afflicted in that same day, he shall be cut off from among his people.
30 And whatsoever soul it be that doeth any work in that same day, the same soul will I destroy from among his people.
31 Ye shall do no manner of work: it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations in all your dwellings.
32 It shall be unto you a sabbath of rest, and ye shall afflict your souls: in the ninth day of the month at even, from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your sabbath.

Another clear application of the Sabbath law that did not fall upon the seventh day of the week but was a FIXED DATED Sabbath as neither the solar or Luner year was divisible by seven. Another proof that the Sabbath PRINICIPLE is broader than the restrictive interpretation of Saturdarians.

34 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, The fifteenth day of this seventh month shall be the feast of tabernacles for seven days unto the LORD.
35 On the first day shall be an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.
36 Seven days ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: on the eighth day shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: it is a solemn assembly; and ye shall do no servile work therein.
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This feast begins on the 15th and last seven days. However, the first day is a a Sabbath and the final day is called the "eighth" day and it too is a Sabbath. Clear emphasis on the first day Sabbaths. Later Christians would also call the resurrection day the "eighth" day.

37 These are the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, to offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD, a burnt offering, and a meat offering, a sacrifice, and drink offerings, every thing upon his day:
38 Beside the sabbaths of the LORD, and beside your gifts, and beside all your vows, and beside all your freewill offerings, which ye give unto the LORD.
39 Also in the fifteenth day of the seventh month, when ye have gathered in the fruit of the land, ye shall keep a feast unto the LORD seven days: on the first day shall be a sabbath, and on the eighth day shall be a sabbath.

Verse 37 and verse 38 refer to the same events. The feasts in verse 37 do not mention its "sabbaths" or "gifts" and "vows" but they are mentioned in verse 38. Therefore the words "besides" means in addition to what is described of these feasts in verse 37 are these things in verse 38. More proof of this is that this statement is encapsulized still within the seventh month and its feasts as verse 39 demonstrates. So the phrase "beside your sabbaths" does not refer to the regular weekly "sabbath" SINGULAR but to all the PLURAL "Sabbaths" just spelled out in all the feasts.

These are all Messanic Feasts which emphasize the FIRST DAY Sabbaths and the first day "of the week" Sabbaths because the vast majority fall on FIXED DATES that do not correspond with the Seventh day "of the week" as in 7, 14,21,28 but correspond with the first day of the week as in 1,8,15,22, 50.
Again, the emphasis is on the first day Sabbath and the feast is "seven days" and the seventh day is called the "eighth" day and it too is a Sabbath

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Speaking of Afrikaans - have you read any of Walter Veith's material?

in Christ,

Bob

Walter Veith's 'field of interest' is remote of mine.

I introduced him to a few of my ideas and invited him to participate on internet forums in discussing them, but he declined.

My grand niece and her husband work full time for Dr Veith, but since my sister passed away, contact between us ended. My sister Eunice accepted in principle about the Sabbath being the day that Jesus rose from the grave on. 'It is a wonderful thought', she used to say. She encouraged me to write 'The Last Week'. She insisted I should say what I wanted to say as short as possible. 'The Last Week' is a synopsis of passover passages on Jesus' last passover, with a few appendixes, perhaps unnecessary. But I don't want any of my writing to be edited or improved or whatever. They are my fingerprints with shortcomings and mistakes and sinfulness the lot.

So, sorry, I did not even know Dr Veith published in Afrikaans.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

It specifies "the seventh day" in its relationship to the six previous days. God is not giving proper names to each of these seven days but simply providing a numerical ORDER and the seventh day stands at the end of this order.

The PRINCIPLE of the Sabbath can be applied EQUALLY to a seventh MONTH or seventh YEAR or fiftieth YEAR as much as to FIXED DATED sabbaths whose NUMBERS do not fall on DATES consistent with the Seventh day "of the week" Sabbaths as "7th, 14th, 21st, 28th," but on DATES consistent with a first day "of the week" Sabbaths as "1st, 8th, 15th, 22nd" because these are MESSANIC feasts that anticipated the coming of Christ and his finished work on the first day of the week resurrection day.

So I reject your RATIONALIZATIONS that are in direct contradiction with God's own VARIOUS applications of the Sabbath PRINCIPLE. The principle of six working days followed and preceded by the seventh day Sabbath which God CAN and DID arbitrarily apply to FIXED DATED sabbaths, seventh day of the week Sabbath and first day of the week Sabbath.

Yes, <<it specifies "the seventh day" in its relationship to the six previous days.>> That is your, legitimate, <rationalization>.

But no, God nothing of the kind <<is not giving>> and nothing of the kind ‘is giving’, <<proper names to each of these seven days>>. The writer(s) of the book Genesis, did that ---very explicitly after every day’s events, that day is NAMED, “it was evening and it was morning, the First Day” or whichever name by Number!

Further down in the Scriptures every instance where the phrase “the seventh day” is seen AND the context does not make it impossible, the possibility that the last day in the <series> or <pattern> or <set> or “WEEK-of-days” mentioned in the creation saga in Genesis chapters 1 to 3 is meant and is mentioned BY NAME: “The Seventh Day” which is the seventh day OF THE WEEK ever and anon.

The creation saga <<simply is providing a numerical ORDER>> and just as <simply>, is employing the NAME of each day according to their – specific – position in that <numerical order>. Quite naturally – according to <numerical order>,The Seventh Day, <<stands at the end of this order>> or THIS, ‘week’.

You cannot wish to remove the concept and understanding of the reality of the ‘week’—creation-week—by giving it another NAME like you do, calling it <<this order>>. It remains the ‘order’ in and to ‘this week’—the one and only precedent for all ‘weeks’ forever after ---CONFIRMED APPOINTED AND PUT INTO USE THROUGH JESUS CHRIST JUST SO IN HIS OWN LIFE, SUFFERING, DEATH, BURIAL AND RESURRECTION … try as you may.

Alright, <<The PRINCIPLE of the Sabbath>> which simply is, ‘rest’, <<can be applied EQUALLY to a seventh MONTH or seventh YEAR or fiftieth YEAR as much as to FIXED DATED sabbaths>>. I see no problem with that. You could just as well have said <the principle> or ‘the day’ or the name of a day named a ‘sabbath’—which simply means ‘a rest’ in ANY case, can equally be applied as ‘a rest’ to a seventh month or a seventh year or a fiftieth year or certain dates of months whether they are described as ‘sabbaths’ or ‘rest-days’ or not, or are called by name ‘Sabbaths’ or ‘Rest-Days’ or not. No difference.

Saying <<NUMBERS do not fall on DATES consistent with the Seventh day "of the week" Sabbaths as "7th, 14th, 21st, 28th," but on DATES consistent with a first day "of the week" Sabbaths as "1st, 8th, 15th, 22nd">>, is a mess-up.

What is, <<NUMBERS>>? <<NUMBERS>> are meaningless things nowhere found in the Holy Scriptures. <<NUMBERS>>, <<do not fall on DATES>>; dates fall on days numbered in a month, “the fourteenth day of the First Month” is the date—fixed—for the sacrifice of the passover. No matter which day-of-the-week.

<<DATES consistent with the Seventh day "of the week" Sabbaths as "7th, 14th, 21st, 28th,">> is nonsensical rubbish; no, worse! <<DATES consistent with the Seventh day "of the week" Sabbaths as "7th, 14th, 21st, 28th,">> is untrue unreality. There exists nothing like it <in principle>; never existed; never could exist.

Unless a month might begin on a First Day of the week, the "7th, 14th, 21st, 28th" OF THAT, MONTH, will be on the day The Seventh Day Sabbath. But that is PURELY by coincidence; NEVER <in principle> or to <Sabbath law>.

Deception ---that’s what it is!

<<DATES consistent with a first day "of the week" Sabbaths as "1st, 8th, 15th, 22nd">> also is plain deceitfulness. Because, first, there is no thing as <<first day "of the week" Sabbaths>>; it’s a gross violation of God’s Truth. Next, <<DATES consistent with a first day "of the week" Sabbaths as "1st, 8th, 15th, 22nd">> also is plain deceitfulness because only when perchance a month might begin on a Second Day of the week, its—the MONTH’S—8th day, 15th day, 22nd day and 28th day will also be on ‘the First Day of the week’. [Note ‘the First Day of the week’ Singular and not ‘on first days [Plural] of the week’ because “on the First Day of the week” is the NAME of that day of the week.]

So scarcely a word or sentence you utter, is not plain meant to be confusing deception and deceiving confusion.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Leviticus 23:5 In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD’S passover.
6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.
7 In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.
8 But ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD seven days: in the seventh day is an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.

Here again in this Messanic Feast of unleavened bread we have a first day and a seventh day Sabbath together showing the compatibility between the Jewish application and the Christian application from the seventh day of the week to the first day of the week.

What utter NONSENSE!

To mention just one thing, Where's <<a seventh day Sabbath>>, <<in this Messanic Feast of unleavened bread>>?

There's no such thing.

And just so there is no nothing of your concocted up <<Christian application from the seventh day of the week to the first day of the week.>>

To waste my time on such rubbish!

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

In the time of Christ it was the Sadducees who were in control and it was their way of numbering the Sabbaths that occurred in the New Testament. So Pentecost was a Sunday Sabbath that the Holy Spirit honored by His coming on the new house of God meeting for worship on that day as they did from the first resurrection Sabbath - Mk. 16:9

<In the time of Christ> "GOD ... in THESE LAST DAYS ... BY THE SON ... SPAKE" as found written, in the New Testament Gospel of Jesus Christ.

No Sadducees had any say in the days and dates of the Passover of Yahweh ANYWHERE in the Scriptures. GOD was and still is <in control>.

Basta met jou Sadducees twak! <The Holy Spirit honoured> no Sadducees or <control> of theirs!

Where do you READ <<the first resurrection Sabbath - Mk. 16:9>>?!

You feel nothing for truth or purity; it's just your dishonouring the Holy Day of the Lord that counts for you, which you enjoy and revel in, in trampling it underfoot ---the Sabbath and Seventh Day God, by the Son concerning spoke. God’s speaking by his Son --- that is how much you care for it.

 

[The Biblicist]

What utter NONSENSE!

To mention just one thing, Where's <<a seventh day Sabbath>>, <<in this Messanic Feast of unleavened bread>>?

8 But ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD seven days: in the seventh day is an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.

The immediate context of Leviticus 23 treats "holy convocation" equal to a Sabbath day whenever it is qualified by the additional words "ye shall do no servile work therein"

Yes, it is best to give up fighting what you have not and cannot disprove by God's word. Your only refuge is ridicule as you have no Biblical refuge.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Another clear application of the Sabbath law that did not fall upon the seventh day of the week but was a FIXED DATED Sabbath as neither the solar or Luner year was divisible by seven. Another proof that the Sabbath PRINICIPLE is broader than the restrictive interpretation of Saturdarians.

34 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, The fifteenth day of this seventh month shall be the feast of tabernacles for seven days unto the LORD.

Can't you READ?!
Here is NO <<application of the Sabbath law>> Here is ONLY an 'application' of "The feast of tabernacles-" <law>.